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Topic: Adapter for National New Yorker input
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Jeff Strouse
Member From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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posted 13 April 2004 02:13 PM
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Here's a pic of the input jack for a beautiful National New Yorker I just got. I've never seen anything like this before. I think it was called an 'Amphenol conector'? Does anyone know where I could find an inexpensive connector/adaptor, so I could plug my 1/4" cable into it? Or, is there a special cable I need? The other end will have to be standard 1/4" for my amp. I called two local music stores in town, and neither knew what I was describing. Here are two pics I took of it:  
Thanks!
 [This message was edited by Jeff Strouse on 13 April 2004 at 02:15 PM.]
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John Bushouse
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posted 13 April 2004 02:22 PM
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My National came with an old cord (cable doesn't seem like the right word for it). Gryphon carries these in stock - amphenol on one end, 1/4" on the other. |
Russ Young
Member From: Seattle, Washington, USA
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posted 13 April 2004 02:32 PM
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Jeff -- Check out this previous thread for a couple of suggestions on where to get adapters.I have a new cable -- like the one John describes -- that I use with my National Chicagoan. The cable itself is from a company called Rapco, but I couldn't find anything like it on their web site. But you could call the shop it came from -- Dutch's in Spokane, WA. 509-747-5284. |
Michael Lee Allen
Member From: Fresno CA USA
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posted 13 April 2004 02:42 PM
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Steve at Angela Instruments has USA made and imported versions available on his web site. Search "Angela Instruments". |
Dwayne Martineau
Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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posted 13 April 2004 03:07 PM
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My National Grand Console already had the jack converted to 1/4" when I bought it (the original is sitting in the case).If you can find an old mic cord with the amphenol end to rip apart, you could probably solder together a homemade adapter pretty easily. Shouldn't be any different than fixing a regular cord. And then you wouldn't have to constantly unscrew and eat away at the old plug.
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Jeff Strouse
Member From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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posted 13 April 2004 03:48 PM
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I wonder how difficult it would be to switch it to a standard 1/4" jack? I asked the tech guy from the guitar store, and he said he's never done anything like that before. Most of these guys in regular guitar/music stores have never touched steel guitars. Does anyone have a cable they aren't using? |
Jon Light
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 13 April 2004 04:21 PM
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Check this out, Jeff---
http://www.angela.com/catalog/microphones/Microphones.html |
Michael Johnstone
Member From: Sylmar,Ca. USA
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posted 13 April 2004 07:34 PM
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It's not too big a deal to switch it if you get the right guy to do it - and it's not a bad thing to do. But since adaptors and cables are available and if it's a nice old piece and the existing jack works,why not leave it stock. I'd get a spare cable or two though. -MJ- |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 13 April 2004 08:50 PM
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Ladies and Gentlemenhas your steel lost its appeal?
are you bored with its cord?
are you taken back by lack of a jack?
has your output gone caput? WELL, STEP BACK JACK, and keep your grubby little hands off of that original vintage geetar, because National Rick & Backer Enterprises has entrusted me, to offer you, the amazing, new, revolutionery, patented can't-do-without miracle invention..."The Adapt-o-Matic"
That's right....no digging, no gouging, no re routing, no self doubting and no pouting. This little baby screws right onto that Effemeral Convector. Without any hesitation, you may then insert your pin into the patented 1/4 opening. No fuss, no muss.
Switchcraft Inc....tell 'em, h0ward sent you [This message was edited by HowardR on 13 April 2004 at 09:09 PM.] |
Garry Vanderlinde
Member From: Garden Grove, California, USA
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posted 13 April 2004 09:39 PM
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Jeff,
You've got an original National, don't screw it up and replace the old style jack. It will keep it's value and asthetics if you keep it original. As Jon posted previously this site has what you need; http://www.angela.com/catalog/microphones/Microphones.html
I've got a 7-string New Yorker and the old style mic jack makes it just so much more cool and it isn't really a problem |
John Bushouse
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posted 14 April 2004 12:01 AM
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I just wish the jack on my National 7-string was in a more convenient location... |
CrowBear Schmitt
Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 14 April 2004 02:04 AM
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Jeff, i have a cable w/ that plug on it and a jack on the other end
otherwise i've got the plug that you can solder the cable to
if interested send me your adress |
Craig Prior
Member From: National City, California, USA
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posted 14 April 2004 02:54 PM
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For those of you in the San Diego area, Freddy of the Repair Zone replaced the original connector on my National New Yorker with a 1/4" input and did a damn fine job of it.If you live in the San Diego area and are considering such a mod, the Repair Zone can be reached at 858-565-7984. |
Jeff Strouse
Member From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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posted 14 April 2004 04:20 PM
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Thanks for all the input, guys! Howard, I'm sold!! You 'da man with the plan. I'll make sure switchcraft gives you the royalties.  |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 14 April 2004 06:47 PM
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quote:
Thanks for all the input
Doh......Now here's a guy who pays attention in Comedy 101. |
C Dixon
Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 15 April 2004 06:53 AM
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The adaptor of course will work while the guitar is out of the case. But you have to remove it to get in the case. This seems to me to be going all the way around one's fist to get to their thumb.The problem is and always has been that National used a device that was designed to stay connected; instead of a device such as a phone plug which is designed to be constantly connected and disconnected. The amphenol connector has a weak spot. And no matter what you do, the solder center terminal mashes down. So sooner or later you are back with the original problem. If at all possible I would urge you to replace the amhpenol jack with a standard guitar jack. I admit it does require some maticulous work to keep the value up, but it is well worth it, IMO. carl |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 15 April 2004 09:17 AM
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Disclaimer: Repeated and constant use of the Adapt-o-Matic may cause a mashed solder center terminal. Use with discretion. National Rick & Backer Enterprises assumes no liability for any kind of mashing. Potatoes or otherwise. |
Bob Stone
Member From: Gainesville, FL, USA
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posted 15 April 2004 12:05 PM
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Furthermore..The adaptor results in two connections: the original threaded connection plus the 1/4" plug-in. Double trouble and double losses. And Carl is right, you have to take that gizmo off to get your steel in the case. This is progress? |
Jeff Strouse
Member From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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posted 15 April 2004 01:33 PM
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...it's kind of like the water spicket outside not fitting a standard garden hose...and the sprayer, on the other end, is also of a different type......or flying from Florida to L.A. with two connections through Newark and Seattle.. |
Steinar Gregertsen
Member From: Arendal, Norway
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posted 15 April 2004 03:42 PM
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So,- I've just won an auction for a National Dynamic with this kind of output..
Anybody got some good ideas as to what kind of jack-plate to use for the output jack if I decide to have it modified?
Would an oval Gibson style plate do, or should I get one of those Tele style outputs?Steinar ------------------
www.gregertsen.com
[This message was edited by Steinar Gregertsen on 15 April 2004 at 03:43 PM.]
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HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 15 April 2004 04:25 PM
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With regard to the original connector on the cord....don't you have to remove that also, or do you just leave it connected to the guitar all the time?[This message was edited by HowardR on 15 April 2004 at 04:28 PM.] |
Jeff Strouse
Member From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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posted 15 April 2004 04:25 PM
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Would #8 on this page be my best choice (similar to what Howard has pictured)? Not being familiar with these, there are several that look like they would be good candidates to me....Here's the description:
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8. Switchcraft adapator for converting old and new Astatic JT-30s and other mics with old fashioned screw-on connectors to 1/4", screws onto the jack found on most JT-30 mics, just plug a conventional 1/4" guitar cord onto the other end and you're good to go. A real problem solver! SALE! EACH $16!!!
------------- There are some cheaper ones above it that look like they do the same thing (like numbers 3 and 4). I assume you leave the adapt-o-matic in the guitar jack all of the time (unless it's in the case case) and plug the 1/4" inch cable coming from the amp directly into it when ready...?? http://www.angela.com/catalog/microphones/Microphones.html
Check out those cool Fender Tweed briefcases at the bottom of the page!! 
[This message was edited by Jeff Strouse on 15 April 2004 at 04:38 PM.]
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HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 15 April 2004 04:35 PM
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Jeff, it looks like #8 to me. The color showing inside of the connector (buttersctoch) is the same color that is on the inside of my connector. |
Jon Light
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 15 April 2004 05:01 PM
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On the other hand, depending on what suits you best, #5 is another option. One less connection in your chain. I'm 50/50, myself. One thing that #5 has going for it is the 20' cord. As the ad says,
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PLENTY OF ROOM FOR YOUR WILD STAGE ANTICS!
Go, cat, go. |
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