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Topic: delay/reverb for lap steel amp
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Kevin Ruddell
Member From: Toledo Ohio USA
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posted 14 June 2004 02:48 AM
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Do any non pedalers have a reverb/delay unit they can recommend for lap and console steel ? I tried plugging an Alesis Nanoverb into the effects loop of my Peavy Classic 30 to add a dash of delay or plate reverb. The effect(s) sounds great, but just plugging the unit in, even with the wet/ mix knob turned totally off, really thins the sound out. I don't know if this is inherent with this model or not. I've noticed there are some headroom ( lack of ) and related issues with this model when I've used it for other applications . |
George Rout
Member From: St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
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posted 14 June 2004 06:31 AM
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While I'm not a big fan of "effects", the nicest "depth" to the steel guitar sound that I've ever heard, is to use two pedals. The guitar is plugged into a stereo Chorus. One of the stereo Chorus outputs goes directly into one amplifier, the other output goes through (at that time) an analog delay and then into the 2nd amp. At one of the steel guitar conventions in Canada, this chap was jamming in his hotel room, and my buddy and I were both astounded by the "depth" of the music, it was like 3D sound, and that's what he was using. Like I say, I'm not an "effects man", but I liked it enough to buy the pedals just to show off what it can sound like. |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 14 June 2004 07:10 AM
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To really get a good chorus effect, you need two amps or a stereo rack unit. For just a little reverb/delay, I think a Boss RV-3 stomp box would work out just fine.
Erv
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Kevin Ruddell
Member From: Toledo Ohio USA
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posted 14 June 2004 05:24 PM
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Someone just recommended to me off forum an Electro-Harmonix Holy Grail Reverb. Wouldn't the chorus effect be " wobbly " when yu're playing with a bar and vibrato and all that already ? Just wondering.
I know it's addicting, chorus that is. I played guitar in the eighties in a band and having a Boss Chorus was like being a crackhead , couldn't live without it! I had to get rid of it before it was on all the time . It sounded so great I'd turn off the effect play guitar and think " what's that funny sound ? " |
George Rout
Member From: St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
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posted 15 June 2004 06:34 PM
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As I mentioned, I'm not an effects fan at all. However, that being said, I do use a slight touch of reverb all the time. The only time that I use a chorus effect, is when I play solo outside in a park or similar venue just for the fun of it, and the battery amplifier doesn't have reverb. Just for a change, in one verse/chorus only of the tune, I will use the chorus pedal. And, I have to admit that I haven't used it in two or three years. I guess my "solo in the park playing" has been limited!!!!!I don't change my style (tremolo/vibrato of the bar) when I use the chorus. I can't stand guitarists who use the effects continuously. Then the "effects" becomes the normal sound without it!!!!! Geo |
Paul Arntson
Member From: Bothell ,WA (just outside Seattle)
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posted 18 June 2004 10:51 PM
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Hi Kevin.
Just thought I'd chime in with an opinion on the Holy Grail reverb box vs the Boss RV5.
I just bought the Holy Grail today (and I thanked my family for buying me such a nice fathers' day present) in preference over the Boss RV5. The Boss unit has a somewhat colder tone with way more variations, but the thing that bothered me was that the spring reverb model has a pronounced "boink" on the attack. This makes the Boss box sound kind of stupid to me after a while. The only way I could find to get rid of the "boink" was to turn down the guitar, and I didn't want to be restricted that way. The holy grail has 2 (simulated) reverbs, spring and hall, and a weird "flerb" sound that is pretty much just odd. The single knob is like a mix knob. The reverb is constant, you can just blend more or less in. After playing it about 3 hours today, I still think I made the right choice. It doesn't seem too noisy (although I haven't tried it on a super clean setup) and the spring reverb model is very natural. There sounds like a hint of compression or something going on too. Very comfortable to use. It sounds just like the reverb on a fender amp to me. Better than the real spring reverb on my Yamaha G100 amp, and about the same as the reverb on my Fender HR Deville 4x10 amp. Actually just a little bit better, as the HR Deville tends to thin out on higher reverb settings. My little amps don't have reverb, which is why I bought the pedal.
Musicians friend has them for $99 right now. They come with an ac adapter.
I'm sure the fender reverb unit sounds richer, but it's big and costs over $400.
Hope this helps. The setup I played today to form my opinion is a 1937 horseshoe Epiphone 8 string (art deco) through the holy grail and then into a small 80's solid state Boss MG10 amp. The amp was set on perfectly clean tone with the presence turned low.
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Jussi Huhtakangas
Member From: Helsinki, Finland
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posted 19 June 2004 02:52 AM
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I have both Danelectros Reel Echo delay and Spring King reverb. To my ears and for the money, they're absolutely the best sounding units, they fatten up sound and are very warm sounding effects . The delay is based on the classic Echoplex sound while the reverb imitates the tube spring reverbs. Of course if you're looking for some more "modern" ( whatever that is ) sounding effects, they might not be for you. |
Kevin Ruddell
Member From: Toledo Ohio USA
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posted 19 June 2004 03:38 AM
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thanks Paul and Jussi for your input. I'm probably going to try out both of these units you've mentioned. |
Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 19 June 2004 11:24 AM
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Boss RV-3 has a great delay/reverb setting. It's what Lloyd Green uses. You can find them used on Ebay.Brad Sarno |
Peter Jacobs
Member From: Northern Virginia
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posted 19 June 2004 12:18 PM
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One more to consider is the Visual Sound H20 -- very full and warm delay, also does chorusing. |
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