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Topic: B-11th Tuning?
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Roger Shackelton
Member From: Everett, Wa.
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posted 02 July 2004 01:47 AM
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I believe Eddie Bush was one of the first steelers to use the B-11th tuning.
Does anyone know who invented it? Roger |
C Dixon
Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 02 July 2004 09:29 AM
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I do not recall the name Eddie Bush. But the "B11th" tuning:E
C#
A
F#
D#
B is indeed very old. My teacher taught it to me in 1947. I believe it predated that by many years. Some beautiful classics like "Sand" lay out on it very well. It is one of JB's tunings from way back. Interestingly, it is all there on given pedal steel guitar tunings. An example is pedals 7 and 8 on the standard D-10 PSG. I use them all the time to get that "B11th" sound. Love it! carl |
Jeff Au Hoy
Member From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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posted 02 July 2004 10:35 AM
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Not recall the name Eddie Bush?!That's like asking who the President is and what he does!  By the way, forum member Ralph Moorehead was a student of Eddie's.[This message was edited by Jeff Au Hoy on 02 July 2004 at 10:40 AM.] |
Roger Shackelton
Member From: Everett, Wa.
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posted 02 July 2004 10:37 AM
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Carl, I prefer the 8 string version of
B-11th, with an A on string 7 and a B on string 8, for a fuller sound. "How D' Ya Do" is another B-11th tune. Roger |
Mike Neer
Member From: NJ
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posted 02 July 2004 11:24 AM
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For the curious, Eddie Bush & his Society Islanders doing Hula Breeze.[This message was edited by Mike Neer on 02 July 2004 at 11:24 AM.] |
Jeff Au Hoy
Member From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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posted 02 July 2004 11:57 AM
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Wow Mike! Where'd you get that?!Yummy. |
Mike Neer
Member From: NJ
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posted 02 July 2004 12:05 PM
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Now I'm sure this one will turn heads. Nani Waimea[This message was edited by Mike Neer on 02 July 2004 at 12:08 PM.] |
Bill Leff
Member From: Santa Cruz, CA, USA
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posted 02 July 2004 12:19 PM
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Both of those Eddie Bush cuts are great!
Any idea what year these were recorded?There's an "Eddie Bush" of ukelele fame. This is not the same person, is it? Thanks
Bill
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Mike Neer
Member From: NJ
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posted 02 July 2004 12:42 PM
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No, it's not the same Eddie Bush. I would guess these recordings were made in the late 40s.[This message was edited by Mike Neer on 02 July 2004 at 12:44 PM.] |
Gerald Ross
Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 02 July 2004 12:50 PM
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Both the above Eddie Bush cuts are available on the Harlequin Hawaiian reissues.
http://www.interstate-music.co.uk/HQCD130.htm Great hot "take off" guitar too! Bush's version of "Hula Breeze" is 180 degrees from Herb Hanawahine's on the first Made In Hawaii CD. Herb's is more Oahu influenced. Eddie Bush's sounds more mainland 40's swing. ------------------
Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
[This message was edited by Gerald Ross on 02 July 2004 at 12:56 PM.] [This message was edited by Gerald Ross on 02 July 2004 at 12:58 PM.] |
C Dixon
Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 02 July 2004 01:02 PM
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Roger,I agree about the 8th string tuning. However, long before 7, 8 or 10 strings were available the 6 string B11th tuning had been used a lot by not only those in the US, but some of the Hawaiians also. I have no clue who invented it. I am going to say a Hawaiian did it. Not sure. It is a haunting tuning, and in the hands of a JB (and select others, it has few equals IMO, as to tunings on the lap steel. Sadly, it does NOT lend itself to a lot of songs and tunes. Thanks friend for bringing that out, carl |
Jeff Au Hoy
Member From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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posted 02 July 2004 01:15 PM
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quote:
Bush's version of "Hula Breeze" is 180 degrees from Herb Hanawahine's on the first Made In Hawaii CD. Herb's is more Oahu influenced. Eddie Bush's sounds more mainland 40's swing.
They're going to behead me over here for saying this, but I'd prefer Eddie any day. |
c c johnson
Member From: killeen,tx usa
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posted 02 July 2004 01:33 PM
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amen Jeff although I like both versions.Since no one knows who invented B11, I'll take credit for it until someone proves me wrong. Boy that will get the hustorians working. Keep your thumb pick hot. CC
I used B11 in 1936. Learned it from a Ray Meaney book. He had a store in San Francisco. |
Andy Volk
Member From: Boston, MA
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posted 02 July 2004 02:25 PM
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Fred Gagner, one of the HSGA's founders wrote a newsletter in late 80's about Hawaiian Steel. In Sept.'89, Gagner wrote this:
"I first encountered the B11th tuning in 1951 when I met steel guitar great Eddie Bush at the St. Francis hotel in San Francisco, where he was performing as a steel player and Hwaiian falsetto vocalist with Harry Owens and his Royal Hawaiians. He was playing a Fender double eight with C major 6th on the first bank and B11th on the second. Eddie was one of the earliest C6th players and recorded in that tuning circa 1945." |
George Keoki Lake
Member From: Edmonton, AB., Canada
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posted 02 July 2004 07:23 PM
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CC...you sure ain't the inventor of B11th ! I am ! I've been using it for years. Tell me something, how can ANYONE claim to be the "inventor" of a chord (tuning) which is common knowledge to anyone who understands the basics of theory and chordal structure ?  |
Roger Shackelton
Member From: Everett, Wa.
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posted 02 July 2004 09:34 PM
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You are right Keoki. Invented was a poor choice of words. Maybe I should have said, "Who discovered the B-11th tuning?"Roger |
John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 02 July 2004 11:32 PM
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Carl;
Right on, about the #7 & #8 Pedal combination A11 (B11) I‘ve been using that for several years, because; I didn't own a Non-Pedal Steel after ’89! But, luckily I found my old Fender Custom a year ago, so; I can now do it right again! And on Tue. 07/06, I will take pocession of my second T–8 Custom. So, if I don't want to be retuning, I'll have (3) more choices to put on that one! BTW: I'm strictly a Non-Pedal player again, and loving every minute of it, although nowadays, it seems you have to be retired/out of work, to do it!  ------------------
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c c johnson
Member From: killeen,tx usa
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posted 03 July 2004 05:03 AM
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Keoki; please repost and use one sylable words so us slow thinking Texicans can understand. Since I learned about B11 from the Ray Meaney book, could the inventer have been Bernie Kaai. He and Ray workrd together on a lot of songbooks etc. Keep your thumb pick hot. CC |
c c johnson
Member From: killeen,tx usa
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posted 03 July 2004 08:56 AM
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going back through my archives I found a book pub by ray meaney dated 1932, Bernie K Lewis folio for electric hawaiian players. So there we have an earlier date. I purchased this one in 1938 when I was taking Oahu Pub Co lessons at Th Honolulu conservtory of Music in Mishawaka, In.
What do you mean Keoki? In those days you were just a young squirt not out of AMAJ high bass yet. Keep your thumb pick hot CC |
Al Marcus
Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 03 July 2004 09:39 AM
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I only go back to 1936, but remember playing the B11 tuning and it was beautiful.Actually using the 9th chords in it could play like "Moon love" . But as Carl says it wasn't practical for everyday playing. But I would tune it for a couple of songs and it was really knocked out then at that point in time. Even 9th chords at the time were impressive.
AS Carl said in his post, you can get those chords with your pedal operated guitar....al ------------------
My Website..... www.cmedic.net/~almarcus/ |
George Keoki Lake
Member From: Edmonton, AB., Canada
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posted 03 July 2004 10:07 AM
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CC...I'll try to use simple hillbilly language just for you ! Yes, I came up on the A maj., but don't forget the top 4 strings of the B11 are a product of the A6th. It took little in the way of brain matter to work out a 9th inversion which ended up as the B11th. Gee, I used a few BIG words, sorry CC....Luv ya guy! |
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