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Topic: Recommendation of Fender 1000 vs Stringmaster?
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Paul Arntson
Member From: Bothell ,WA (just outside Seattle)
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posted 18 October 2004 10:26 AM
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I've spotted a 1000 in a dusty corner of a pawnshop. It has the "Jaguar" style pickups rather than the "Jazzmaster" style.
I understand that some of the Fenders came with different string spacing/scale? What should the best string spacing /string width be if I am a non-pedal player?
Or should I save up my pennies and just get a stringmaster? Right now I play a Magnatone D8 Lyric with huge wide string spacing, so I am really spoiled, but I am getting interested in the "classic fender tone" that everybody talks about. Plus it sounds like it might be a little better investment.
thanks for any help.
-paul
(or, reading the other thread, maybe I should save up and get a Dustpan. man that sounds like a fun time they had...) |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 18 October 2004 11:15 AM
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Just thought I'd follow you Paul...
Fender 1000 is a 23" scale and 11/32" at the changer end and 5/16" at the nut..String height from the fretboard ˝"...
The Fender has NO cabinet
drop at all... NONE...the pedals are a cable system so they're NOT totally
positive BUT they are so easily changed to a different set-up .. in just a
matter of minutes.. whereas the "Normal" pedal steel requires a technician to
change the set-up and it takes ages (Hours)....
you've heard the tone so you know about that....the Fender IS heavy but the
stability of the body and lack of de-tuning because of that, more than make
up for the little extra weight..
If I can help at any time .. just ask... www.waikiki-islanders.com
and anything except the "Guitars andI" album, features the Fender 1000
try this for just a taste http://www.waikiki-islanders.com/assets/multimedia/B12Track12.wma http://www.waikiki-islanders.com/assets/multimedia/11Track11.wma or most of what's here
Baz http://www.waikiki-islanders.com/assets/multimedia/? ------------------
quote:
Steel players do it without fretting
 
http://www.waikiki-islanders.com [This message was edited by basilh on 18 October 2004 at 11:26 AM.]
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Dan Sawyer
Member From: Studio City, California, USA
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posted 18 October 2004 12:52 PM
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quote from John Bechtel, "The Original 400's and 1000's had a 24˝” scale. When the 800's and 2000's were introduced, the scale, thankfully; was shortened to 23”. John, how can you tell the older ones from the newer ones with the shorter scale, and what year did the 800s come out? Thanks! General question, how do you guys include a quote in your posts? [This message was edited by Dan Sawyer on 18 October 2004 at 12:53 PM.] |
John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 18 October 2004 02:13 PM
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The easiest way is to measure from Bridge to Nut, however; you can tell by just looking. The shorter (23”)-scale has a large chrome-plate mounted behind the string-through Bridge. It also has a large (F) on top of it and a little lever sticking out the back which operates a felt-mute that is mounted just ahead of the “String-Through” Bridge. Also, the 800 & 2000 are 10-string models, but; the 400 & 1000 are 8-str. models. {400's & 1000's are 24˝” scale.}{800's & 2000's are 23” scale} I'll choose an 800 if I ever buy one! Craig Baker (Lil' Izzy) used to play an 800 quite well!------------------
“Big John” Bechtel
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Fender ’65 Reissue Twin-Reverb Custom™ 15”
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Paul Arntson
Member From: Bothell ,WA (just outside Seattle)
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posted 18 October 2004 07:30 PM
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Great info, thanks folks.
Does anybody have any opinions about the desirability of the two different types of pickups they came with? (As I understand it, admittedly limited) I have seen pictures of some with a Jaguar style pickup and a jazzmaster style pickup.
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Chris Scruggs
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 18 October 2004 10:53 PM
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The early 24.5" Guitars (58-62) have a better tone IMO. The later ones sound good as well, but don't quite have as much of the sound I'm looking for. I think this has more to do with the pickups than with the scale. Remember, most of the classic Fender 400/1000 tones we hear came from players using the earlier Jazzmaster PU guitars. By '62, alot of those top players had gone to Sho-Bud.Just my theory, CS P.S. Yes, the 800 (S-10) and 2000 (D-10) have the shortened 23" scale and Jaguar PU's, since they were not made at the time of the 24.5" Jazzmaster PU guitars. But the 400 (S-8) and 1000 (D-8) took on the same changes in '62. So it's not just as cut and dry as 400/1000 vs. 800/2000. Funny, too, since the 400/1000 was introduced the same year as the Jazzmaster, and took on it's changes the year the Jaguar came out (1962). Originally the Jaguar was going to be the new '62 Jazzmaster, but the original Jazz design was selling so well in it's current state, that the Jag got it's own name and was introduced as a seperate model alongside the Jazz(Jag's have a shorter scale than a Jazz, more chrome, and string mutes, similar to a '62-'74 Fender pedal steel). I geuss Leo would get a bunch of ideas all at once, and apply it to everything. |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 19 October 2004 03:54 PM
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One thing no-one is mentioning is the string separation (Soundwise)..I find that the 8 string 400 and 1000 post 1962 models have the best separation.. Then one begs the question."Why would you want distinct definition between strings" ? IMHO the ear hears the notes easier, and the guitar sits in the mix with more definition without "Poking Out". Baz |
Jimmie Misenheimer
Member From: Bloomington, Indiana - U. S. A.
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posted 21 October 2004 03:27 AM
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I've been without a computer for months now, and went to town last Saturday and bought one. While this thread was going on, this is exactly what I was doing. I've looked high and low for a "Stringmaster" for what seems like forever now. I finally gave up and "converted" an old 1000 that I had laying around to a non-pedal in place of one. The "conversion" amounted only to removal of the changer, and raising the action. The changer was removed in order to give it better sustain, and the action because it was just too low. The strings anchor in the "slots" that the fingers came through, and I only raised the action about 1/4 of an inch. I don't care for the sound - too "wet" and "middie" sounding for me. Also the scale is much too long for my taste. I think that I would prefer a 23 inch scale. I have also decided that I prefer 6 string tunings to 8 string tunings. I don't know the year of this guitar, but it has the wide "Jazzmaster" style pickups. I bought it a yard sale when I was a kid. It had no case, and only 5 of the 8 pedals were there. I had been trying to use a 6 string, narrow-bodied "Multi-chord" though, so I thought that I'd died and gone to Heaven with this rig! Jimmie |
Jeff Strouse
Member From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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posted 21 October 2004 11:48 AM
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What is a fair ball park price to pay for a Fender 1000 pedal steel? Since I don't know anything about pedals, I'd probably leave them off, but I'd stil have a great Fender sound. So, if I ran across one someday, what would be too much to pay, (assuming it's in decent condition)? |
Pete Knapton
Member From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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posted 21 October 2004 12:55 PM
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I saw a Fender 1000 on ebay recently. It had no changers and had been repainted. It sold for about $320. If it was all original, I guess thats a reasonable price. |
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