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Topic: Question on Harmony/Silvertone/Kalamazoo pickups
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Paul Arntson Member From: Bothell ,WA (just outside Seattle)
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posted 06 February 2005 05:34 PM
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I just snagged this little guy on ebay because when I tried a Harmony with this type of pickup,it just wailed for rock playing. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3779688816 My question is this: Does anyone know the history of this pickup design? Was it a 3rd party piece that was installed by lots of companies? I have seen it on a lot of different brands. Any info appreciated. Thanks.-paul |
George Keoki Lake Member From: Edmonton, AB., Canada
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posted 06 February 2005 07:12 PM
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"Have found out this was made by Harmony and it is called a lap steel guitar made in the 50"s." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Perhaps you've seen this p/u on Sears, Harmony, Silvertone, some KAY models, and other "house" names. However, it is a Harmony pickup to the best of my knowledge and it's a good p/u. Obviously the seller had no idea what it is until he "found out". Back when these types of guitars were very popular, they were considered to be student guitars, (which many of my students owned back in the fifties).  |
Paul Arntson Member From: Bothell ,WA (just outside Seattle)
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posted 06 February 2005 07:32 PM
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Thank you George. I became confused when I thought I saw it on a Kalamazoo, which I thought was a Gibson brand... |
George Keoki Lake Member From: Edmonton, AB., Canada
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posted 06 February 2005 08:58 PM
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KALAMAZOO is a GIBSON brand, however, I cannot recall ever seeing a KALAMAZOO with a HARMONY pickup...that would be like seeing a Ford with a GM motor...hmmm, I wonder ?  |
Paul Arntson Member From: Bothell ,WA (just outside Seattle)
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posted 06 February 2005 09:18 PM
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It's the crinkle finish kalamazoo on ebay referenced in this thread: http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum2/HTML/006413.html Weird, huh? |
Denny Turner Member From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA
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posted 07 February 2005 01:42 AM
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Those pickups were indeed used by Gibson / Kalamazoo for a few years, ...on the EH100 and EH125, that I am aware of anyway, quite similar in most aspects to the Harmony of this discussion. I think the pickups were originally manufactured by Gibson just prior to WWII.Here's some pictures. Here's my take that I've gathered from long forgotten resources: The pickup has been unofficially called the soap dish pickup. It was used by Gibson & Gibson's Kalamazoo economy line around 1940. After a few years production it was discontinued on Gibsons and continued on some Kalamazoo Steels and spanish Guitars. I have heard it said a number of times that Gibson musta had a poop-pot full of them to sell to Harmony & Kay ...which might have been the case, although I suspect most were made under license or patent sale or release or late night card game. They showed up on many Harmony and Kay Steels and Kay Spanish guitars. Harmony favored the very nice and dynamic sounding early model thin low-impedence DeArmond pickups on their spanish Guitars (which had been used by a number of Steel Guitar companies), and the later foil-backed grill-faced Gold Tone versions ...and Harmony-made humbuckers on some of their top-end spanish archtops. Around 1960, on their spanish Guitars Kay began using a flat topped pickup similar to the soap dish pickups, ...as well as a pickup with adjustable pole pieces and clear plastic covers backed with a square gold line graph-paper-like motif. I recall many years ago a number of guys would remove the metal covers of the soap dish pickups to austensibly give them more signal power and more open & rounder tone (maybe hogwash akin to our homemade / hack-sawed convertible rides!); But for the life of me I can't remember what the insides of those soap dish pickups look like; Although I suspect they were just the evolution of the "soap-bar" type guts that were in Gibson Steels and spanish Guitars and stayed with Gibson through many slight changes, right up until today. I seem to remember that the hump on the soap dish pickups was a magnetic lense / focusing idea atop the cover as a 60 cycle radiation ground shield, although I've recently wondered if there might be adjustable pole pieces under there and I have it on my LONG list of casual desires, to take one apart just to see what's in there. I've heard a number of people comment favorably about the sounds of the soap dish pickup in professional use; And I don't ever recall hearing anything bad about them. Maybe this data will attract some comments from folks that know a heckuva lot more about them than I do. The Lipstick pickups were introduced by Danelectro in late 1955 and were indeed chrome plated brass lipstick covers that owner Nate Daniels found a supply of and stuck them back-to-back on each end of a small but killer pickup whose coil was covered in tape and made a snug fit for the lipstick tubes, ...with the tubes secured by mounting brackets bolted to the pair of tubes with small brass studs and nuts. Aloha, DT~ [This message was edited by Denny Turner on 07 February 2005 at 02:53 AM.] |
Paul Arntson Member From: Bothell ,WA (just outside Seattle)
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posted 07 February 2005 06:55 AM
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Denny - You da man! I've gotta snoop around on your site. I didn't realize you had such fine info hiding there. I have looked at your extensive C6 stuff and learned a lot. Thanks again. This is exactly the type of info I was looking for. -Paul |
Ron Simpson Member From: Darien, Illinois, USA
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posted 07 February 2005 11:13 AM
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"In 1944 the Chicago Musical Instrument company acquired controlling interest in Gibson, Inc. Chicago Musical, a distributor of quality musical merchandise, had recognized the heritage and quality of Gibson products" (from The Gibson Story by Julius Bellson) CMI also owned Harmony by this time, having purchased it from Sears Roebuck some years earlier. I really don't know if Kay or any of the other Chicago makers were part of CMI, but it does appear that some Kay's are wearing the same pickups. Gibson used this style on the EH-125 which was introduced around 1939. The Harmony/Silvertone/Kay instruments using these pickups seem to be from the 1950's. Some of the Harmony/Silvertone steel guitars also seem to use the Gibson handrests from the prewar era also, but not the Gibson bridge that sat beneath the handrest. Perhaps CMI was just using some scarce left over parts between corporate branches after the war. Sears seemed to be buying entry level instruments from everyone during the 1950's. |
Paul Arntson Member From: Bothell ,WA (just outside Seattle)
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posted 07 February 2005 08:49 PM
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Wow - that history is even more convoluted than I thought possible! Thanks for all the info, Ron and Denny and George![This message was edited by Paul Arntson on 07 February 2005 at 08:50 PM.] |