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Topic: Blue Hawaii - Elvis
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Gerald Ross Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 09 May 2005 07:53 AM
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I watched this movie for the first time last night on the American Movie Channel. I had never seen it before.Here's what impressed me: 1. Elvis' band, made up of his Hawaiian beach boy musician buddies had a very unique instrumentation. Cheap acoustic guitar, steel drums (pans) and bongo drum. Ocassionly they would use an acoustic guitar played flat with a bar that had the tone of an electric guitar(how did they do that? ). Steel drums??? 2. Elvis' "native" Hawaiian girlfriend looked very Italian/French (how and why did they do that? ) Too risque to have Elvis kiss a non-anglo? 3. Elvis' parent's "house boy" was named Ping Pong (why did they do that? ). 4. Elvis' bachelor pad (grass shack) on a deserted Oahu beach would probably sell for $8,000,000 today. He just kinda built it when nobody was looking. There must be a lot of free vacant land on Oahu for anyone to build these things. ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/smile.gif) 5. When Elvis's band played a "Hawaiian" tune at the nightclub it sounded like a Harry Belafonte quasi-Jamaican number. I guess all island music is the same, yeah mon! 6. The band left all the good chords out of the "Hawaiian Wedding Song". Why'd they do that? The chords aren't that hard. 7. Elvis' uke technique. How did he get all those chords without moving his left hand? 8. Elvis' boss at the tourist agency was Floyd The Barber from the Andy Griffith show. He didn't even try to change his character! It was Floyd in an aloha shirt! and he was wearing three huge leis while working at his desk on a Tuesday afternoon. They should of used Otis the town drunk. 9. Elvis setting the "bad girl" straight by throwing her over his knee and giving her a spanking that she deserved, and secretly wanted on a deserted beach in the moonlight. The next morning at breakfast she was "tamed, satisfied and happy" (I guess women were different in the early 1960's). ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/eek.gif) ------------------ Gerald Ross 'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar' Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association
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HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 09 May 2005 08:45 AM
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Gerald, your observations are hysterical.I think I better look for a new gig.... ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/smile.gif) |
Andy Barlo Member From: Hammond, Indiana, USA
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posted 09 May 2005 09:50 AM
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It'just a movie, Gerald |
HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 09 May 2005 10:02 AM
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True, but they had to spend the time, effort, & research for costumes, props, and music.It would have been the same time & expense if they did it right. |
Gerald Ross Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 09 May 2005 10:08 AM
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I know that Andy .But it has always ticked me off when movies or TV shows don't do their musical homework. Example: A movie set in the 1880's and the musicians are using Martin D style guitars. Another Blue Hawaii thing I forgot to mention: During the bar-brawl scene... the entire bar was enveloped in a fight, everyone including the musicians, was throwing punches and wrestling . Now really, what would a musician do during a bar fight? Fight? I doubt it, your first inclination is to protect your hands and your instrument and get out of there ASAP (but get paid first). ------------------ Gerald Ross 'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar' Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association
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Bob Stone Member From: Gainesville, FL, USA
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posted 09 May 2005 11:09 AM
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Gerald,It's an Elvis movie. What did you expect? Maybe we should write Colonel Parker a letter... |
Gerald Ross Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 09 May 2005 11:13 AM
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I'm just having fun.------------------ Gerald Ross 'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar' Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association
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Ray Montee Member From: Portland, OR, USA
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posted 09 May 2005 11:21 AM
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Item #7: Remember? It's not the 'left' hand that makes the music anyway. It's the dynamic picking of the right hand, I've heard tell. Saw a movie the other day, with Marilyn Monroe, remember, she was the blond with a pretty smile and breathless speach....(?) and after she'd played this beautiful guitar run on an accoustic, round-holed, flat-top, a different camera angle showed absolutely not a single string on the instrument. Isn't this what they call theatrical license? |
seldomfed Member From: Colorado
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posted 09 May 2005 11:23 AM
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Gerald, quote: Elvis' bachelor pad (grass shack) on a deserted Oahu beach would probably sell for $8,000,000 today.
that 'shack' was actually the snack shop at Hanauma Bay on Oahu, back in the days when you could just drive down the hill and park for free and snorkle we'd get shave ice and snacks there - now it's a pay-4-use-park and crowded as hell. chrisk ------------------ Chris Kennison Ft. Collins, Colorado "Listen Sooner" www.book-em-danno.com www.seldomfed.com
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Gerald Ross Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 09 May 2005 11:28 AM
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Six left handed uke players. Coincedence? or did they actually seek out these southpaws.Hey... the gal on the far left... isn't that Betty from accounts receivables? Elvis' "native Hawaiian" girlfriend. "Bad Girl" pre midnight spanking, or post? ------------------ Gerald Ross 'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar' Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association
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George Keoki Lake Member From: Edmonton, AB., Canada
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posted 09 May 2005 11:32 AM
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Hollywood can be wierd at times....seems I recall a very old Gene Autry movie which had them all around a campfire surrounded by cactus. This steel player, (unknown) had his amp plugged into a cactus which obviously the producers never noticed or cared about. |
Keith Cordell Member From: Atlanta
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posted 09 May 2005 11:50 AM
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The racist element on those movies has always been a bone in the throat for me, ruins the experience of watching the movies like this. Ping Pong? Dreck. ------------------ Sierra S8, Gibson GA30RVT, Peavey Delta Blues, Regal Dobro heavily modified, Teese RMC2 Wah, Proco Rat, pyrex and bakelite bars |
Mike D Member From: Phx, Az
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posted 09 May 2005 12:35 PM
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This steel player, (unknown) had his amp plugged into a cactusGeorge, we have those all over the place out here. They have great tone but it's best to have a regular 'inside gig' set-up too, as the cactus/amps are a 'pain' to move around. I love Elvis movies, stinky as they are. ------------------ Half-assed bottleneck and lap slide player. Full-assed Builder of resonator instruments.
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Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 09 May 2005 01:16 PM
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I watched a bit of Girls Girls Girls. This is what I learned. The Hawaiian people are happy, simple folks. They are merely waiting for a white guy to tell them what to do. Didn't know this before but now I do. Pretty much everthing I know I owe to Hollywood. |
Les Anderson Member From: Rossland, British Columbia, Canada
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posted 09 May 2005 02:00 PM
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In the old Roy Rogers and Gene Autry movies, they would be riding along plunkin away on their guitar and singing to whomever; however, in the next scene following the song, their guitars would vanish into ???????? Where in heck did those guys stash those guitars between songs? ------------------ (I am not right all of the time but I sure like to think I am!) |
Ian Finlay Member From: Kenton, UK
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posted 09 May 2005 02:23 PM
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Check the look on the horse's face. You'll work out where that guitar went.... and the origins of the sunburst finish ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/smile.gif) Ian |
Rick Aiello Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 09 May 2005 02:51 PM
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I liked Paradise Hawaiian Style better than Blue Hawaii & Girls, Girls, Girls ...It had a Frypan in it ... ------------------ Aiello's House of Gauss My wife and I don't think alike. She donates money to the homeless and I donate money to the topless! ... R. Dangerfield
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Howard Tate Member From: Leesville, Louisiana, USA
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posted 09 May 2005 03:11 PM
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It tickles me to catch stuff like that in movies. Like some awful movie where they showed a Les Paul and said it was the Strat that Jimmie Hendicks played.------------------ Howard, 'Les Paul Recording, Zum S12U, Vegas 400, Boss ME-5, Boss DM-3 http://www.Charmedmusic.com
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HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 09 May 2005 03:22 PM
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quote: It's an Elvis movie. What did you expect?
Bob, in some countries, it's a documentry... ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/smile.gif)
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Jeff Au Hoy Member From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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posted 09 May 2005 03:38 PM
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I didn't know codpieces were still in style in the 60's. |
Todd Weger Member From: Safety Harbor, FLAUSA
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posted 09 May 2005 04:14 PM
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quote: I didn't know codpieces were still in style in the 60's.
I think they called 'em mahipieces for these '60s Hawaiian flicks. ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/rolleyes.gif) ------------------ Todd James Weger/RD/RTD 1956 Fender Stringmaster T-8 (C6, A6, B11); 1960 Fender Stringmaster D-8 (C6, B11/A6); Chandler RH-4 Koa semi-hollow lapsteel (open G); Regal resonator (open D or G)
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Alan Keach Member From: Texas, USA
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posted 09 May 2005 04:41 PM
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Gerald,you did not like them using ping-pong but you wished they used "Otis the drunk" get your "politically correct" rap together!!Just havin' fun |
HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 09 May 2005 05:13 PM
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quote: I didn't know codpieces were still in style in the 60's.
yes, with the cod still in them too! ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/redface.gif)
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Don Kona Woods Member From: Vancouver, Washington, USA
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posted 10 May 2005 12:03 AM
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Gerald, I happened to see part of this movie last night also. It was the first time that I had seen the film.The only thing Hawaiian in Blue Hawaii was Hilo Hattie and the less commercial scenery of Hawaii in the early 1960's. Did you notice there were very few high rise buildings in Waikiki and Downtown Honlulu. I happened to live in Hawaii at the time and saw first hand some of the filming. I am totally disappointed, and even disgusted, that they had no consideration for the beautiful music of the Islands. Just think Elvis could have done a nice Tahitian war dance with his swiveling hips--not Hawaiian, but a little more South Pacific island-like. ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/rolleyes.gif) Aloha, Don |
David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 10 May 2005 12:23 AM
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6 left handed Uke players.Gee Elvis wasn't left handed either... Some nimord flipped the negative, likely to make some promo poster look symetrical for the type layout. Then the kept it that way for the still marketing shot to put in theater doorways. If we look to Elvis fluff as a cultural record, we are nuts. And surely disapointed. It is an artifactof it's times for sure. These were cut the budget to the bone films for teeenagers, and not much more. If it LOOKED like Hawaii it WAS Hawaii. The best take off on these genre of film is Tom Hanks That Thing You Do, with the ONEders. You see them in Hollywood, on a beach, dressed like sailors and pretending to play.... hysterical. Fun little film too. Most of the dancehall or indoor scenes would be done in LA stages anyway. They would have a 2nd unit shoot some stuff in Hawaii hit and run, and then most would be done back home cheaper. Doubt they paid for continuity people or period accuracy checkers. Knock out another please. |
Charlie McDonald Member From: Lubbock, Texas, USA
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posted 10 May 2005 06:47 AM
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Musta been an Elvis festival. I watched Jailhouse Rock, the only decent one of the bunch, with what appeared to be real session players. triple scale, I'm sure. |
Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA
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posted 10 May 2005 10:23 AM
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I didn't like Elvis in his "young" years, because he ended my occupation of playing a steel guitar, but just when he was maturing and doing stuff that I really liked, he killed himself......but I am really offended by the above post that implied that Elvis denied "kissing" a polynesion girl because of prejudice. This "race" card has been overused with OJ and should end! How long will those advocates of past events be happy with merging them with current events? www.genejones.com
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Gerald Ross Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 10 May 2005 10:51 AM
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Gene... race card, What???Come on you have to admit there was major prejudice against anything inter-racial in the entertainment world. Especially if it involved romance or sex. Sure, you could have buddies or sidekicks who were of a different race, but romance... I don't think so! Elvis could not kiss a non-white woman in any of his movies unless she was under the age of 5 or over the age of 80 and even then it was just an innocent peck on the cheek. I doubt anyone could argue with me on that one. My God, back then film and TV were so wierd that the first married couple to ever share a single bed on film were Fred and Wilma Flintsone, and they were both white! (or Cromagnon ). Benny Goodman got major crap for having an inter-racial band. Jackie Robinson was constantly hasseled for playing baseball. Billie Holiday had to stay at different hotels than the white bands that backed her up. I still don't understand your "playing the race card comment". Forget the race card, you should get mad over the film producers allowing Elvis to throw a woman over his knee and give her the spanking she deserved (and wanted ). My wife and I watched that scene and both of our mouths fell open! ------------------ Gerald Ross 'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar' Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association
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David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 10 May 2005 10:53 AM
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Gene I went back and re-read that. I don't see that what is being said implys racism on Elvis's part.I read it to mean that "Somebody in the movie production chain", thought it might be too touchy and nixed it. That sounds like a Studio hack or Col Tom... but not Elvis himself...certainly not. I do still think at that time in american movie history, that they were still too paranoid in mainstream teenage market film productions, and others, to cross percieved racial barriors very much. So too risque maybe, but Elvis WAS risque, he built his early career on that.. But a SAFE risqueonward from the time after he was taken over by "manegement." Col Tom re-molded Elvis into every mothers acceptable choice for her daughter. Yes maybe a little wild... but not too wild to bring home to mom... Yes a rebel, who still has wholesome values in the end. Exciting for the kids, and nothing to scare the conservative parents too much. Elivis's movie career was nothing if not safe. <
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HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 10 May 2005 01:48 PM
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quote: throw a woman over his knee and give her the spanking she deserved
Maybe it appears that way to the untrained eye, but I see 5 women in that Elvis photo that require spanking. And, no racism here, I'm an equal opportunity spanker!! ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/redface.gif)
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Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 10 May 2005 02:13 PM
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monkeys too? |
Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA
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posted 10 May 2005 03:39 PM
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Gerald, I really didn't intend for my comment to sound so personal but I can see that it did and you have my apology. .....my change of heart may be because I just remembered his portrayal of a native american in another Elvis movie. ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/rolleyes.gif) www.genejones.com [This message was edited by Gene Jones on 10 May 2005 at 03:40 PM.] |
HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 10 May 2005 04:37 PM
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and who can forget the wonderful movie where Elvis portrayed a Rabbi....."Jailhouse Schlock".....he spanked a ham in that one.... ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/biggrin.gif) |
Gerald Ross Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 10 May 2005 04:59 PM
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No prob, Gene.Native American Elvis? Which movie was that? Was Floyd the barber in that one? ------------------ Gerald Ross 'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar' Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association
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Craig Prior Member From: National City, California, USA
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posted 10 May 2005 09:21 PM
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"Most of the dancehall or indoor scenes would be done in LA stages anyway. They would have a 2nd unit shoot some stuff in Hawaii hit and run, and then most would be done back home cheaper."Yeah, and every now and then Diamondhead would look suspiciously like Griffith Park. |
Jussi Huhtakangas Member From: Helsinki, Finland
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posted 10 May 2005 11:42 PM
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Gerald, Elvis actually played a part of a native American twice, in Flaming Star and in Stay Away Joe. He probably went through a largest selection of occupations than any movie star ever; including a doctor, a scuba diver, an outlaw, a tourist guide, a GI, a race car driver, a pilot, a boxer, a singer ( what the heck!!!??? ) and so on... |
Mike D Member From: Phx, Az
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posted 11 May 2005 07:34 AM
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First televised interracial kiss: James T. Kirk and Lt. Uhura (sp?) on Star Trek! Of course 'evil aliens' forced them to...King Creole was a pretty good 'serious' Elvis flick. I also like Spinout, as cinema it's the equivilent of a Monkees episode but I love Shelby Cobras. Here's the one I'm building. ------------------ Half-assed bottleneck and lap slide player. Full-assed Builder of resonator instruments.
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Ron Whitfield Member From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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posted 11 May 2005 11:11 AM
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Howard Tate, please clue me in about this Strat playin' guy, JIMMIE HENDICKS...? |
HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 11 May 2005 03:40 PM
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Ok, so I have a serious thought here.Hawaiian music was the rage for a long time, as was te steel guitar, first acoustic then electric. Martin Denny, who recently passed away, was the creator of "Exotica". This was music that borrowed from many sounds and elements of music from various exotic cultures. I think this became the ambiguous "island sound" which could be substituted for Hawaiian, Polynesian, Carribean, and other south pacific islands. Exotica had no steel guitar. Piano, vibes, and various percussion was the mainstay. Maybe this is why there were bongos and steel drums in the Elvis movie, and maybe that was the reason for this kind of perception. I think steel would have been a natural in Exotica. |
David Doggett Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 11 May 2005 04:13 PM
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Anybody watching the current network miniseries Elvis docudrama? The 2nd episode is tonight. The Irish kid playing Elvis is really good at it, even down to the lip curl. I saw him in an interview, and he normally spoke with a fairly heavy Irish accent, but could slip into Elvisese at a moment's notice. Amazing.As a graduate of Tupelo High School I can't help but watch all the Elvis stuff, even the really bad stuff like Blue Hawaii. I agree that Jail House Rock and King Creole were two of the better movies. I love the early stuff. After Elvis went into the army, Pat Boone, Fabian, etc. took over "rock'n'roll" and it was never the same, until the Stones and the Beatles gave it back to us. |