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Topic: My latest acquisitions from a "Car Boot Sale"
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basilh Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 17 August 2005 01:19 AM
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Just picked up these two ladies!!! Can anyone identify them for me..I suppose that the term "Car Boot Sale" means very little to the USA members..Its usually held in a large field and people bring junk to sell to people who're looking for treasure.. I think I found some !!
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basilh Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 17 August 2005 01:20 AM
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More pictures.. [This message was edited by basilh on 17 August 2005 at 01:22 AM.]
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basilh Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 17 August 2005 01:56 AM
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I think Gibson EH-100 (1940 model) serial number EKE 2376 and the other lady is a September 1939 EH-185 with a serial number of F611-1 (One of the first I think) Baz |
Ben Elder Member From: La Crescenta, California, USA
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posted 17 August 2005 02:21 AM
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As a loyal "Life Laundry" viewer, I know what a car boot sale is, but never saw '30s Gibson EH- lap steels on the telly. (Guitarists may not immediately realize I'm speaking of an electronic sound and picture receiving apparatus.) I'm not really up on all the Electic Hawaiian (EH-) models of the period (late-'30s up to 12/7/41--or: 7.12.41), but I know there were 100, 125, 150 and 275 models. The numbers probably equated to prices in dollars. I'd think the top one would be a 100 or 125, but let George Gruhn's guide be the final word. |
Keith Cordell Member From: Atlanta
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posted 17 August 2005 03:27 AM
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I NEVER see those kinds of deals at swap meets. I am seriously envious, Baz... very cool. |
basilh Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 17 August 2005 04:31 AM
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Keith..see this post about a previous "Car Boot Sale" acquisition of mine... http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum2/HTML/005455.html Ben.. you are right about the model number/price scenario EXCEPT that that 100 sold for $100 INCLUDING the amp and the other models pro-rata UPWARDS.. BTW..(You missed out the EH-175) Baz[This message was edited by basilh on 17 August 2005 at 04:37 AM.] |
Brad Bechtel Moderator From: San Francisco, CA
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posted 17 August 2005 10:17 AM
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The black instrument with the pentagonal metal plate around the pickup assembly appears to be a later model EH-150, probably from 1942-43. The EH-185 is probably from the same period, although it's hard to tell. Good finds! I wish I was this lucky at the garage sales held around here.------------------ Brad's Page of Steel A web site devoted to acoustic & electric lap steel guitars |
Bill Creller Member From: Saginaw, Michigan, USA
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posted 17 August 2005 10:23 AM
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Nice chair too Baz!!! |
basilh Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 17 August 2005 11:16 AM
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Thanks..Mr. Creller sir..The chair , like myself, has seen better days..As for the guitars..A little research has revealed that the EH-185 is 1939 and the EH-100 is 1940.. Below is the reasoning why..
quote: Model: EH-185 LapSteel Available: September 1939 to 1942 September 1939 EH-185 LapSteel introduction specs: hollow guitar shaped flamed maple body, shoulder taper into neck, Charlie Christian pickup with triple bound edge, triple bound top and back, 1 piece metal plate (painted black) extends from peghead to pickguard (under fingerboard, where the plate is thicker) covering most of lower bout, peghead is part of metal plate, wood neckpiece bolts onto back of metal plate, rubber non-slip material in shape of diamonds on back of neck and body, single bound rosewood fingerboard with V-end, dot fingerboard inlays, slotted peghead, top tuners with metal buttons, sunburst or natural finish. 1940 EH-185 LapSteel specs: metal plate has uniform thickness from fingerboard to body and is painted crinkle brown, black line on side of fingerboard binding, 1941 EH-185 LapSteel specs: metal plate now painted black/gray crinkle, ES-300 type pickup mounted at a slant. EH-185 discontinued 1942.
also for the EH-100 quote: Model: EH-100 LapSteel Available: 1936 to 1941 Early 1936 EH-100 LapSteel introduction specs: hollow guitar shaped body, shoulders taper into neck, all maple body, ES-100 type blade pickup with white rectangular housing, 1 knob on treble side (late 1936 models with 2 knobs on opposite sides), rosewood fingerboard with square end, dot fingerboard inlays, silkscreened logo, black finish, 6 or 7 strings. 1937 EH-100 LapSteel specs: sunburst finish. Late 1937 models with 2 knobs on treble side. 1940 EH-100 LapSteel specs: solid mahogany body, metal-covered pickup, 5 side control plate sourronds knobs and pickup, knobs on opposite sides, no body binding, square-end metal fingerboard with fancy markers (some with rosewood fingerboard and pearl dots), point at top of peghead, silkscreen logo, natural mahogany finish. EH-100 discontinued 1941.
BUT I am not sure that the EH-175 isnt one of the 25 EH-275's made (Some had rosewood and dot inlay fretboards)This guitar hasn't got the "rubber non-slip material in shape of diamonds on back of neck and body," so it doesn't fit the profile of the 185, but it DOES have the charlie Christian pick-up, so it doesn't quite fit the description of the 275.. quote: Model: EH-275 LapSteel Available: September 1940 to 1942 September 1940 EH-275 LapSteel introduction specs: hollow guitar shaped flame maple body, shoulder taper into neck, ES-300 type pickup mounted at a slant, 1 piece metal plate painted crinkle brown extends from peghead to pickguard (under fingerboard) covering most of lower bout, peghead is part of metal plate, wood neckpiece bolts onto back of metal plate, tortoise grain binding on top and back, rosewood fingerboard with V-end, white fingerboard binding, white and yellow block fingerboard inlays, multi-colored inlaid fret markers (some with ED-185 fingerboard and dot inlays), slotted peghead, top tuners, natural finish, available 6, 7 or 8 strings. EH-275 discontinued 1942, about 25 shipped
(Source http://www.provide.net/~cfh/gibson7.html#eh185 ) |
basilh Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 17 August 2005 11:21 AM
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See this.. |
Brad Bechtel Moderator From: San Francisco, CA
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posted 17 August 2005 03:04 PM
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The first guitar (the black one) is definitely NOT an EH-100. Gibson never made an EH-100 with the Charlie Christian pickup. The EH-100s I have seen either have a white rectangular pickup, or in later models a Harmony-style pickup. Looking at that same reference page (copied from Gruhn's Guide to Vintage Guitars) he shows this: quote:
October 1942 EH-150 LapSteel specs: Solid mahogany body, 5 sided metal control plate, metal covered pickup with raised center (some with tortoiseshell material in center), knobs on opposite sides, triple bound top, single bound back, metal fingerboard, fleur-de-lis peghead inlay (specs identical to the EH-125 except for a treble bound top).
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Chuck Fisher Member From: Santa Cruz, California, USA
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posted 17 August 2005 03:26 PM
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Pickup is like the Recording King "Charlie Christian" ones sold by Wards and made by Gibson. Good score, BTW |
basilh Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 17 August 2005 05:11 PM
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The Guitar pictured here has the same appearance except for the logo.. The pick-up ISN'T a "Charlie Christian" It has a small magnet on the base of the blades and there aren't pole pieces just two "Blades" also different impedance to a CC one .
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George Keoki Lake Member From: Edmonton, AB., Canada
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posted 17 August 2005 08:01 PM
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Baz....You lucky stiff! Long ago I owned a GIBSON EH-185 identical to that model, except mine had 7 strings. Like an idiot, I sold the beast and over the past 50 years I have always regretted selling it. Looking at yours brings tears to my eyes. |
basilh Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 17 August 2005 08:20 PM
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Well If you remember two years ago i got a E150 Metalbody in a garage sale near the Catskills.. Paid just over $300.00 and got $4,500.00 plus a little..WELL I bought these two in "Moreton-On-Marsh" market..Fifty "Quid" each ...BUT this time I'm keeping them...I still regret selling the E150.. |
Dave Boothroyd Member From: The Malvern Hills
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posted 18 August 2005 12:01 AM
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Now you've really upset me, Basil - we passed through Moreton in Marsh last week and didn't stop! Aargh! Cheers Dave |
basilh Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 18 August 2005 12:16 AM
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Dave, the only reason I was there is that Pat was heping our son with his market stall.. He sells "High End Cosmetics" and the like.. If you ever need any "Lipfinity" just let me know !!!
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Joseph Rush Wills Member From: New Jersey, USA
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posted 18 August 2005 12:15 PM
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Sutton: Very lucky find! In the USA we have what we call "flea markets". I suppose some folks seel from their car's trunks (boots in the UK), but most set up on a table. People also hold "garage sales"; I've seen some fantastic instruments come out of them! |