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Topic: Johnny Sibert's Stringmaster
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Rick Collins Member From: Claremont , CA USA
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posted 12 January 2006 09:08 PM
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I heard that Johnny Sibert's Fender Stringmaster is in the Steel Guitar Hall of Fame. Is it on display?Does the SGHOF have it's own building? |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 13 January 2006 02:25 PM
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Ed Altrichter Member From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA
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posted 13 January 2006 06:03 PM
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I just love the sound that Johnny Sibert made on the Carl Smith records ! Did he drop outta sight when pedal steels came into vogue ? Is there a bio on him anywhere on the web ? |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 13 January 2006 07:53 PM
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. Bobbe[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 13 January 2006 at 08:04 PM.] [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 14 January 2006 at 11:26 AM.] |
Nick Reed Member From: Springfield, TN
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posted 14 January 2006 10:04 AM
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Can someone post an old photograph of Johnny playing that Stringmaster. I would really like to see it. Nick |
Rick Collins Member From: Claremont , CA USA
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posted 14 January 2006 02:40 PM
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I saw Johnny Sibert in person and talked to him when I was about 8 years old __ most handsome critter to ever play the steel guitar.No kidding, classic movie star looks. Jerry Byrd told me in a letter that he knew him well. Mr. Clean |
Larry Phleger Member From: DuBois, PA
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posted 16 January 2006 08:40 AM
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Wasn't his Stringmaster a long scale? |
Rick Collins Member From: Claremont , CA USA
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posted 16 January 2006 04:36 PM
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Yes Larry. He played a walnut (colored) 26" triple-neck. Johnny Sibert had the best Fender steel guitar tone I have ever heard. He was a great, dynamic player. Rick |
Chris Scruggs Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 18 January 2006 11:36 PM
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Johnny started playing for Carl in 1951 at te age of 17. His first session with Mr. Smith was in February 1952. This was the session that brought us "Are You Teasing Me" and "It's A Lovely, Lovely World". In 1959, Johnny left Carl's band to play for Johnny & Jack and Kitty Wells. He recorded and toured with them until 1961, when he went back to Carl's band (during this time, Bob Foster played steel for Carl on tour). Johnny did indeed go to pedals, as he played a Fender 1000 on Kitty's biggest 60's hit, "Heartbreak USA". He still played his Stringmaster with Carl, however (Carl didn't want to sound Webb Pierce), until 1966 when Johnny went to an Emmons. He never touched the E9 neck with Carl, and had a pedal that put the C6 neck to A6, so he could play all his solo's just like the record. In 1969 he left Carl's band and played locally in Nashville until his complete retirement from music in 1977. He said he and Carl had a "conflict". He then worked as a security guard at the Tennessean newspaper here in Nashville. Three years ago he retired, and he says he never missed playing music. ABOUT HIS GUITARS: D-8 Bigsby- He played a National Grand Consolle when he joined Carl, but Carl wanted him to play a Fender (Carl LOVED treble). Johnny didn't like the Fenders available at the time (Dual Professionals and Customs), so they settled on a him buying a Bigsby. He says he never recorded the National with Carl, so the Bigsby back-order must of been a pretty short line in 1952. After "Slowly" came out, Johnny had P.A. Bigsby put two pedals on this guitar. Carl didn't like the sound, and he never played it in his band. But when Bus Isaacs went into the Army, Webb Pierce needed a pedal steel guitarist, the problem being, there weren't any pedal steel guitarists. Webb decided to buy a pedal steel and hire someone to play it. He called Paul Bigsby about building him a guitar, but Bigsby said it was a three year wait. Bigsby told Webb he had recently put pedals on Johnny Siberts guitar, so Webb called Johnny and bought it from him ($600 vs. the original $300 paid, he said Webb insisted on this deal). Strangely, this guitar's 1954 pedal conversion from the Bigsby shop had "split" pedals, not the early Isaacs setup. When Sonny Burnett got this guitar, he thought it was a stupid idea and had Shot Jackson change it to the Isaacs set up. The next year, Jimmy Day moved to Nashville and (no big suprize) Sonny had Shot split the pedals back like they originally were. Sonny plays this guitar on the Al Gannaway "Grand Ole Opry" TV show from th 50's. This guitar was played by Sonny on most of the classic Webb Pierce pedal steel recordings ("More and More", "Tupelo County Jail", "Yes, I Know Why", etc.) While Bud Isaacs lit the candle, it was Sonny Burnett who kept the flame burning... For a brief time in 1963, Lloyd Green POSSIBLY might of owned this guitar, but as a converted "Sho-Bud" with six pedals and wooden necks. Shot told Lloyd the Bigsby he was selling him had formerly belonged to Sonny. After he bought his first "real" Sho-Bud, he sold the guitar back to Shot. What alot of history that guitar has! I don't know if if has ever been accounted for (or if it's even the same guitar). Fender Dual 8 Professional- This is what Carl originally wanted Johnny to play, but Johhny NEVER liked the short scale Fender guitars. He only bought this one because he couldn't play his bepedaled Bigsby with Carl. This guitar was played for a very brief period. Since there's so much treble on all those records, it can get kinda hard to tell them apart, so I can't really name a record that defenitely has this guitar on it. This would of been briefly in 1954, as according to Mr. Sibert, it's the Stringmaster on "Loose Talk" (recorded September 1954). After the Stringmaster came along, Johnny had a Shot Jackson coat hanger pedal installed on this one. He later sold the guitar to someone in Mississippi who never finished paying him for it. T-8 Fender Stringmaster- This is the guitar most associated with Johnny Sibert, probably because he played it on the Technicolor "Grand Ole Opry" TV show Al Gannaway produced in late '56, early '57. Johnny liked long scale guitars, and finally Fender had one to offer him. This guitar was aqquired directly from Fender. With this triple neck, Mr. Sibert added Leon McAuliffe's E13 tuning (outside) to his previous d-8 tunings of C6 (middle tuning, high E through low F) and A6 (inside, and a good 90% of what he played) It was converted to a three leg guitar by Shot. Johnny was annoyed with how the fourth leg would become wobbly if you moved the guitar around on an uneven stage floor. It seems the long scale was hell on tuning pans, as this guitar stripped out tuners constantly. The early Stringmasters didn't have individual removable pegs, so every time a peg went bad, he had to get a whole new eight string pan from Fender. The last time he did this, someone at Fender told him,"You better make this set last, bacause we just pulled these pans out of Leon's old guitar!". Johnny said it was the best tone he ever had. He gave this guitar to the Steel Guitar Hall Of Fame the year he was inducted. It hadn't been out of the case since the late 60's or early 70's. Fender 1000- This was an early model, but with a black frame. By the early 60's, he had had Sho-Bud pickups installed so his California guitar could compete the thick tone of his fellow Nashville players. This was played on many a Kitty wells and Johnny & Jack song. After hearing "Together Again", Johnny put the G# "Mooney" string on his E9 neck. Johnny Wright hated the sound and threatened to fire Johnny if he ever played any of those new "Mooney licks". Soon the sound became standard, and Mr. Wright had to put his foot in his mouth months later by asking Mr.Sibert to play some "Mooney licks" on a Johnny & Jack session. This guitar broke alot of high strings (you'd never of guessed, right?), so Fender sent him some paper-clip like things to loop in between the ball end of the string and the changer. This was to take some tention off the strings and seemed to do the trick. D-10 Emmons- This guitar was given to Johnny by Buddy, as in 1966 Emmons was a new company and needed some exposure. Johnny was back in Carl's band, the Tunesmiths, and they were going to Canada to tape a country music TV show. Buddy gave the Guitar to Johnny the day they left for Canada and this was the first national television exposure Emmons guitars had. They taped two seasons worth of shows and were syndicated up through the 80's. This guitar had many "firsts" for an Emmons. I don't know all the details, but I believe this was the first Emmons to have a 26 fret fretboard. It was Weldon's idea, but this was supposedly the first one built. I believe it also had a laquer finish instead of mica. This is the only guitar Johnny still owns today (hasn't been out of the case since 1977). Hope I didn't ramble on to bad. I don't post often, so I figure I'd make it count... CS |
Jussi Huhtakangas Member From: Helsinki, Finland
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posted 19 January 2006 06:00 AM
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...eeh, could you be a little bit more specific Chris!!  |
Drew Howard Member From: Mason, MI, U.S.A.
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posted 19 January 2006 07:20 AM
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Chris,Wow, you really know your stuff. Thanks for taking the time to give us a history on Johnny. We have a mutual buddy, Chris Casello, in your neck of the woods. I built him a website this year (chriscasello.com). Say "hi" to him for me. cheers, Drew ------------------ Drew Howard - website - Fessenden guitars, 70's Fender Twin, etc.
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BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 19 January 2006 11:29 AM
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Chris, call me, I have some updates to your history, with some nice physical proof in hand! Fun stuff! Bobbe [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 19 January 2006 at 11:31 AM.]
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Norman Evans Member From: Tennessee, USA
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posted 19 January 2006 12:28 PM
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If you have a copy of the Stars of The Grand Ole Opry video set, Johnny Sibert was playing on some of them. |
TonyL Member From: Vancouver, BC
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posted 19 January 2006 12:58 PM
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Nothing like the Forum for some good history. Love it. Thanks guys. TL |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 19 January 2006 01:43 PM
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And this is the story up to now on this trail blazing Bigsby. Possibly the first steel guitar to have the "Split Pedal" E9th set up. This picture was taken on Jan., 19th 2006 Bobbe 
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TonyL Member From: Vancouver, BC
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posted 19 January 2006 02:16 PM
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B-After seeing that I don't think I can get any more work done today.  Yow. T |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 19 January 2006 02:33 PM
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Just got off the phone with Lloyd, Yes, this is the guitar that Lloyd started his recording career on. Lynn Andersons "Ride Ride Ride" and many other great hits were recorded by Lloyd on this Bigsby, Sonny started the great legacy with Web Perce as Chris stated. What an amazing story this guitar could tell if it could talk. Johnny, Sonny, Lloyd not only started their own careers on it but started the careers of many legendary singers. Interesting stuff, another great guitar for the Sho-Bud hall of fame. Bobbe |
Chris Scruggs Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 19 January 2006 06:33 PM
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In my opinion, the three most significant Bigsby steel guitars in the history of Country Music (not the history of steel guitar, but of country music itself):1. Bud Isaacs- This guitar changed the sound of steel guitar and country music forever (and in just two recording sessions!) 2. Speedy West- The first Bigsby with pedals, definitely the most famous and possibly the most recorded Bigsby (how many sessions did Speedy work again?) 3. Johnny Sibert/Sonny Burnett/Lloyd Green- For the reasons listed above, a guitar that tells the history of country music in it's golden era; early 50's Hillbilly to mid 50's Honky Tonk to early 60's Nashville Sound. A guitar worked on by Bigsby, modified by Sho-Bud, played by Sibert, Sonny, and Lloyd, and recorded with Carl Smith, Webb Pierce, and countless others by "Mr. Nashville Sound" himself. Wow... CS[This message was edited by Chris Scruggs on 19 January 2006 at 07:23 PM.] [This message was edited by Chris Scruggs on 19 January 2006 at 10:37 PM.] [This message was edited by Chris Scruggs on 19 January 2006 at 10:37 PM.] |
Dave Zielinski Member From: Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 19 January 2006 07:35 PM
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Well there it is. Holy SMOKES!Chris, you are better than most books on roots country! Good job guys. Bobbe, when do we get sound clips of that one???? |
Mike Weirauch Member From: Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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posted 19 January 2006 07:48 PM
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Who in the hell is that ugly guy sitting behind that Bigsby trying to impersonate Johnny Sibert? Bobbe, If it's for sale would you consider taking payments of $22 a month for a couple of years. |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 19 January 2006 08:00 PM
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Mike W., how did you know about the $22.00 a month deal??? Yes, this is how and what Lloyd paid for this guitar in the early sixties. 8 payments of $22.00, he missed one payment he just told me, and Shot made that one for him. so after Lloyd played the guitar for three years on many great sessions like Lynn Anderson's "Ride Ride Ride", he gave it back to Shot, who promptly refinished it, and sold it to the steel player of the singer I got it from. Lloyd told me about this guitars many great hits, and how it was the one that started his great career. I guess it will be the one to end mine! I just have to do an album on this one! Bobbe |
Mike Weirauch Member From: Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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posted 19 January 2006 08:14 PM
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quote: Mike W., how did you know about the $22.00 a month deal
......Just a lucky guess wouldn't you think? Are you going to make it a Bigsby or a Sho~Bud and what about the $22 a month payments. If I default will you make them for me?  |
Chris Scruggs Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 19 January 2006 10:39 PM
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Bobbe,It should be an album of all songs recorded on that guitar! There's definitely a wealth of material to choose from... CS |
Jussi Huhtakangas Member From: Helsinki, Finland
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posted 19 January 2006 10:47 PM
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So Bobbe, I guess this one has rods then, instead of cables, judging by the Sho Bud necks, changers and PU's??? |
Lynn Owsley Member From: Hendersonville, Tn. USA
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posted 20 January 2006 01:56 PM
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Chris and Bobbe....Wow! You both have a great knowledge of this history...Thank you for sharing with us... Bobbe, is this the guitar that was once left on Faron Young's front porch? If so, who owned it after Faron? |
Chris Scruggs Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 02:20 PM
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The Faron Young Bigsby was a T-8 with one pedal. Lloyd played this from the time he moved to Nashville ('57 I believe?) until he left Faron ('63 I recall?). Faron purchased the guitar from a woman in the Nashville area. Somewhere here on the forum is a Bigsby original owners list, and her name is there. The one pedal made the E to A change, and the first high string on E9 was an E string. Remember, this was the late 50's early 60's when everyone else had split pedals and high G# strings (and eventually chromatics). Lloyd attributes his years spent with this basic setup as a contributing factor in his straightforward, melodic style. |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 20 January 2006 03:19 PM
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Jussi, yes, this one has rods, ala: Shot of the '50s. I was mad at Shot for tearing up a good Bigsby untill Lloyd came over and shared this guitars great past history. Seriously, what Shot did was to make this guitar a better player. Shortened the scale to 24", Installed woodneck inserts to cure the tuning situation, Installed higher impedance pickups with less microphonic problems, added 6 pedals, and did some things that I didn't l;ove too much. Like putting the Sho-Bud name on the front for Lloyd, the veneer to cover the names on the front, changing the smooth cables to noisy rods, and so on. When restored to it's final configuration, it should be a great playing and sounding guitar ready to continue it's great saga. Like |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 20 January 2006 03:23 PM
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Jussi has the present history on the "Faron" triple neck. Lloyd played that guitar first, but then he bought this double from Shot and started his great recording career. I had to throw Lloyd out of the store today because he wanted to tear the C6th neck off this Bigsby and put on a pad! NOT! |
John Bechtel Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 20 January 2006 07:05 PM
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Yeah! I was afraid I was going to have to step between Bobbe and Lloyd when they got to arguing about that pad! Lloyd wanted a green one, but; Bobbe said even if he did do such an unforgiveable thing, it would have to be black! I’m pretty sure they finally agreed to leave well enough alone! I first saw this guitar way back in ’57 when Sonny Burnette was working with Webb Pierce at Sunset Park, West Grove/Oxford, Pa. That ws the day that Sonny told me about a fellow by the name of Shot Jackson who along with Buddy Emmons was starting a new PSG Co. called Sho-Bud. That was when I ordered my first Sho-Bud, sight unseen. D–8 with (5)-Pedals for $650. And my friend, the late Frankie Harris ordered the first T–8 with (3)-pedals also for $650. A lot of memories floating around today! I first met Lloyd Green at that Country Music Park just about the same year, playing a D–8 Rickenbacker with a Shot Jackson pedal(s) and workng with Faron Young! Wow!------------------ “Big John” a.k.a. {Keoni Nui} ’05 D–10 Derby ’65 Re-Issue Fender Twin–Reverb Custom™ 15” Current Equipment |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 20 January 2006 08:17 PM
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Thank you for being in the store today John, and for saving me from Lloyd. Boy, he's touchie about the pad deal! ( Just kidding Lloyd) Lynn Owsley was on the way with his camers and never showed up. Well, Bobbe |
John Bechtel Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 21 January 2006 07:43 PM
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Lynn; Remember, the next time you take off with your bus, be ‘in’ it, not ‘under’ it! It’s a good thing that bus is so tall! But, watch out for the overheads too! ------------------ “Big John” a.k.a. {Keoni Nui} ’05 D–10 Derby ’65 Re-Issue Fender Twin–Reverb Custom™ 15” Current Equipment |
Jussi Huhtakangas Member From: Helsinki, Finland
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posted 22 January 2006 10:41 PM
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I added some info of the Faron Young T8 to a topic Rick Collins posted, so please check there. Whether it is also the same guitar Joe Vincent played with Faron, I'm not sure, possibly it is. |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 23 January 2006 06:06 AM
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Jussi, Lloyd says it is the one Joe played, and the one he also played with Faron. Lloyd bought the Bigsby double from Shot Jackson and left the Triple on Farons front porch in the middle of the night. |
Clyde Mattocks Member From: North Carolina, USA
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posted 23 January 2006 11:16 AM
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Back to Jonny Sibert. He was one of my first (of many) steel heroes and I got to see him many times playing that Stringmaster. I saw him with Johnny & Jack at the NCO club at Seymour Johnson AFB, playing the Fender 1000. He told me then he had dropped the tuning to D9th to avoid breaking the 1st string. At the time this seemed like rocket science, but I later learned other players were doing that. |
Jussi Huhtakangas Member From: Helsinki, Finland
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posted 23 January 2006 10:15 PM
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Ok, Bobbe, one mystery solved on that one... |