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Topic: open E lap tips?
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Ben Jones
Member From: Washington, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 01:53 PM
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6 string lap open E tuning:I did a search on here and googled for licks and tips in Open E. I did find a little info in a thread here (apparently I cannot get minor chords with this tuning?) but i didnt find very much. I have to sit in with a rock band tonight and wanna try lap instead of 6 string. I was able to find the chords and with some effort found a few licks similar to ones I might play on a Strat...but if any of you could offer any tips whatsoever for rock in open E, or point me to the appropriate source for such info...that would be fantastic. I had it tuned to c6 before and basically neglected it and never played it so I just tuned it to open E today when I heard about this gig. |
Steinar Gregertsen
Member From: Arendal, Norway
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posted 20 January 2006 02:03 PM
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Easiest way to get minor chords in open-E is to either slant a two-note harmony - string 1 at 10th fret and string 3 at 9th fret for D minor, for example (if you're real good you'll add string 2 at the 10th fret for a full triad) - or simply ignore them and play a 1-5-1 'power chord' which works well in a rock band. The 1-5-1-3-5-1 tuning is more versatile than one might except at first glance, it's the one I use the most (but I prefer open-D, for both acoustic and electric, all the music on my website is in this tuning). Steinar ------------------
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[This message was edited by Steinar Gregertsen on 20 January 2006 at 02:05 PM.]
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Ben Jones
Member From: Washington, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 02:19 PM
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wow Steinar! cool website and great playing. "Getting Over It" (actually the link says Unfinished Business, but the player shows the title as Getting Over It...cool song)is very close to the sound I had in mind, tho i know i wont come within miles of that sound tonight 
Hopefully I can eak out enough passable stuff tonight, I can always just fall on the power chords if need be I guess, the tunes are bone simple.Hmmm...the guitarist in this band tunes to drop D, maybe I should try open D instead? makes more sense now that I stop and think about it... Hope that wont require a string guage change as i just slapped those new ones on there about an hour ago ....
hehe..I could go and just shred on the Strat, but I like the idea of being forced to pick this up under the gun and it will be far more fun and interesting for me than just showing up with my normal rig...I think the band might appreciate it as well (they already know of my intention and said thats fine) ..I'm sure they'll let me know if they dont...haha.[This message was edited by Ben Jones on 20 January 2006 at 02:22 PM.]
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Bill McCloskey
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posted 20 January 2006 02:22 PM
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I would avoid slants expecially in a rock context and if you are not familiar with doing them. Just stick with skipping the 3rd and play a 1st and 5th. |
Randy Reeves
Member From: Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 02:40 PM
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I got my start on lap steel by joining a band.
I stuck to the simple chords as they read the same up the neck as on my strat.
eventually I found the single notes for the licks I heard in my head.
tip your bar up/point it down into the string at an angle for single notye stuff.the great thing about lap steel is the sustain . when over driven (have you got an overdrive stomp box if so bring it) those notes just scream.
slide into the note and hold it. you will blow then away.
have a riot as I know you will. |
Ben Jones
Member From: Washington, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 02:52 PM
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thanks Randy and everyone else. Thats my plan...to have fun! after the gig I will come back and post my tale of glory or shame. I am thinking overdrive, some delay or echo, maybe even some wah if I can get a few licks together, into a forty watt Guild Thunderbass tube amp with a 2x12 cab. |
Brad Bechtel
Moderator From: San Francisco, CA
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posted 20 January 2006 02:55 PM
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I'd agree that open D tuning (bass to treble D A D F# A D) would probably be a better choice. You could even switch pretty easily between D major and D minor by dropping the F# to F natural.
Another tip: the minor 7th of the chord is three frets up from the normal chord position. For example, to play A minor 7th, (A at the seventh fret in D tuning), play the C notes at the tenth fret. The Am7 chord is A C E G; you're just leaving out the root (the A note).------------------
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C. Brattain
Member From: Balch Springs, Texas, usa
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posted 20 January 2006 04:05 PM
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In E Major tunning you can play a minor 7th chord minus the root by moving up 3 frets from the major chord.
G major is the 3rd fret, G minor 7th minus the G is on the 6th fret.To pay any minor with the root slant 1st and 3rd strings at the major chord. |
Mark Vinbury
Member From: N. Kingstown, Rhode Island, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 06:31 PM
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Ben-- I used to switch over to E tuning to jam with the band on the "bone simple" stuff but lately I've been sticking to C6. The more experience I got on C6 the easier it was to find the key centers, blues licks and stuff I was used to playing on six string. Plus it has the obvious advantage of only having to keep track of one tuning. I also found a dose of effects was helpful to get my rig talking back to me and holding up it's end of the Tone. |
Ben Jones
Member From: Washington, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 07:28 PM
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Thanks guys. That seventh three frets up is GOLD! The verse of one song is just a D to D7th kind of ride so that is really gonna come in handy...hehe....man what did i get myself into?! I'm having a hard time coaxing licks out of this thing...gonna keep it sparse tonight off i go. |
Ben Jones
Member From: Washington, USA
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posted 21 January 2006 08:29 AM
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Oh man was that fun! Guys, your tips totally saved me....I hit a few clams but for the most part it went really really well and sounded amazing. The band must have thought so as well cause afterwards they asked me to join the band as a permanent member...hehe. Since one of em is a good friend and we get along well, I am going to do it...so .....my first gig on steel. Hurray! and THANK YOU! |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 21 January 2006 08:36 AM
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....I hit a few clams
Just consider those deceptive cadences and you'll be fine....
Ben, that's really great that all the info here helped out in practical application. Some of the things I have learned and applied by reading forum threads has to do with playing with and behind others. Aside from tunings, scales, modes, etc..Knowing when to play, when not to play, thinking equally about the other musician(s), vocalist, and how to compliment them makes you (me) a better player. Less is more, especially when you're not sure. The few times I sit in during the summer, everything that I've learned here from others, has been invaluable.[This message was edited by HowardR on 21 January 2006 at 08:45 AM.] |
Ben Jones
Member From: Washington, USA
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posted 21 January 2006 08:41 AM
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I made sure to frown hard at the bass player like it was his fault when I botched a note Howard |
Chris Walke
Member From: St Charles, IL
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posted 21 January 2006 08:43 AM
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They're not clams, they're just...jazzy. Hit a wrong note? Hit it again, louder, and people think ya did it on purpose for the sake of "color." Heh-heh!Easier said than done. My knee-jerk reaction is to make the "ah crap!" face, which betrays my mistake. Sometimes I actually laugh...maybe they think I hit the wrong note on purpose as a joke. |
Papa Joe Pollick
Member From: Pontiac, Michigan, USA
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posted 21 January 2006 11:07 AM
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I'll sometimes tell my bandmates that it's JAZZ,and they should work on doin the same..Other times I slap the back of my left hand and scold it,"BAD HAND"..After all it's in the wind and I can't bring it back for repair.Me worry?UH UH..PJ------------------
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body,but rather to skid in broadside,thoroughly used up,totally worn out,and loudly proclaiming:"WOW,what a ride!"
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Steinar Gregertsen
Member From: Arendal, Norway
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posted 21 January 2006 11:11 AM
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Other times I slap the back of my left hand and scold it,"BAD HAND"
LOL!!!!!!!!  Steinar ------------------
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