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Fred Kinbom
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From: Brighton, UK

posted 23 January 2006 02:55 AM     profile   send email     edit
Hi folks,

I have now been exploring the world of steel for five months or so, and I'm starting to find my feet (at least I am aware of their existence... ). I have tried a number of finger and thumbpicks, looking for what feels the most natural and comfortable.

For my electric (National New Yorker, C6th tuning) my set-up is:

2 Dunlop brass .0225 fingerpicks
1 no-name vintage mosaic celluloid thumbpick, quite light and sticking to the thumb very well. (I had another no-name vintage thumbpick that was great that I lost - I will have to be careful with this one!)

For acoustic slide (1930s Oahu, open C), which I play much harder, I use:

2 Dunlop brass .0225 fingerpicks
1 Golden Gate extra heavy thumbpick

The Golden Gate is great! I think the design is very clever in the way the pick stays in place so much better than most thumbpicks, and therefore can be used for much heavier picking.

What do you seasoned players out there think of thumbpicks that stay in place? Is the Golden Gate the ultimate pick for heavy acoustic/dobro style playing?

I have seen (but not tried) some old thumbpicks with leather or fabric lining on the inside - is this common?

And regarding the fingerpicks, would Dunlop .0250 make any noticable difference from the .0225 ones? If so, in what way?

Cheers,

Fred

[This message was edited by Fred Kinbom on 23 January 2006 at 02:58 AM.]

Andy Sandoval
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From: Bakersfield, California, USA

posted 23 January 2006 03:15 AM     profile   send email     edit
That's a cool lookin pick, where can I buy one?
Fred Kinbom
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From: Brighton, UK

posted 23 January 2006 03:49 AM     profile   send email     edit
Andy,

I got mine online from Elderly Instruments.

Cheers,

Fred

Ron Randall
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From: Dallas, Texas, USA

posted 23 January 2006 09:22 PM     profile   send email     edit
Well FWIW

I play and practice electric steel about 90% of the time. At least 6 days a week. I try to minimize variation so I use the same finger and thumb picks all the time. When I play acoustic steel, like with a Praise Band, I always start with my same picks.

When I get into extended periods of louder play, I like the Zookies Medium 10. I don't like to pick very hard for fear of screwing my electric steel technique.

Yes, you will notice some difference b/w the Dunlop o225 and the 025. I use Dunlop steel picks and went to the o225 strictly for comfort. I can bend them a little easier and they flex a little more and have a nice snap. They just feel better to me.

hope this helps

Ron

[This message was edited by Ron Randall on 23 January 2006 at 09:29 PM.]

Travis Bernhardt
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From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

posted 23 January 2006 10:35 PM     profile   send email     edit
I prefer the Golden Gate picks for heavy acoustic playing myself. I don't use the one you've got pictured, I use a slightly less heavy duty looking one as I find it a little more responsive. I don't mind the big heavy one though.

National thumbpicks fit my fingers the best and stay in place better than anything else but they break after a couple of hours of serious use (there are actually two kinds of National thumb picks available that I know of: the ones that don't break and don't fit, and the ones that fit great and break easily).

I don't hear a big difference between the different guages of fingerpick unless I compare a really thin one with a really heavy one--and then I wonder if it's more to do with feel than tone. The light ones feel better to me right now, although I used to like the heavier ones. (Actually, right now I use a Dunlop on my index finger, a Propik on my middle, and a Dunlop on the ring finger. This is because of the way they fit and angle towards the strings, not because of the sound.)

All subjective, of course!

-Travis

Bill McCloskey
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posted 23 January 2006 10:40 PM     profile   send email     edit
I use to use the heavier golden gate thumb pick for my dobro work, but moved to the much lighter slick picks after I had a lesson with Jimmy Heffernan. I found it much easier to move my thumb quickly with the lighter pick. I use the same picks no matter what I'm playing now.
Rick Alexander
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From: Florida, USA

posted 27 January 2006 06:44 AM     profile   send email     edit
The Golden Gate picks are great. I got some from Forum member Chuck Brattain.

http://aguitarcenter.com
chuckguitar@msn.com

Fred Kinbom
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From: Brighton, UK

posted 27 January 2006 06:50 AM     profile   send email     edit
After trying out some bluegrass roll excersices, I actually found my Golden Gate extra heavy thumbpick a bit "clumsy", so I cut and filed it down a bit. Now it's better than ever! I have also ordered the less heavy Golden Gate and some ProPiks to try out. I guess the search for the ultimate picks never ends...
Erv Niehaus
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From: Litchfield, MN, USA

posted 27 January 2006 07:51 AM     profile   send email     edit
My favorite thumbpick is one I bought from Frenchy's in Belen, NM. It is a white pick very similiar to the National but it has a piece of tortoise shell adhered to the picking area. Fits and sounds great!
For finger picks, I prefer light gauge Dunlops. You can really shape them to fit your fingers.
Erv
Don Barnhardt
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From: North Carolina, USA

posted 27 January 2006 08:42 AM     profile   send email     edit
Picks are personal. Everyone's fingers are different you need to try different combinations of heavy and light to see which works best for your style. I personally like light picks because I get a truer cleaner sound but you may be just the opposite. Once you decide on a guage take some time to fit them to your fingers you may need to do a little filing on the points too. If you still have trouble keeping your picks on try a little gorilla snot.
Gary C. Dygert
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From: Frankfort, NY, USA

posted 27 January 2006 08:58 AM     profile   send email     edit
The perfect picks, the perfect tuning--now if I could just learn to play!
Mike Fried
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From: Nashville, TN, USA

posted 27 January 2006 01:29 PM     profile   send email     edit
I've never liked Dunlop fingerpicks - to me they feel too "slippery" against the strings and I can't get a solid tone from the string without picking harder than I like (I guess it's the rounded tip contour).

For pedal steel and Dobro I really like the Kyser takeoff on the old National design. They're a lot stiffer than the .025 Dunlops and therefore more trouble to shape, but they hold their shape better and have small punch marks on the inside surface to help hold them in place. I twist the tips slighty to hit the string more squarely also.

For more "warm and sensitive" lap steel playing, my absolute favorite fingerpick is the brass ProPik reso-L with the perforated wraparounds. They're fairly easy to shape (brass is softer), stay in place, and produce a warmer tone than german silver.

As for thumbpicks, I use Zookie M-20's or M-30's, as I like the twisted tip for a more solid string contact. I use the same type for everything.

Erv Niehaus
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From: Litchfield, MN, USA

posted 27 January 2006 02:19 PM     profile   send email     edit
Don,
Isn't it kind of hard to find a gorilla when you need one?
George Rout
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From: St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada

posted 28 January 2006 07:49 PM     profile   send email     edit
I have to throw in my "two picks" worth with this comment. While picks are a very personal thing with players, I've always found that any pick thinner than .025 bends under stressful playing!!! I can't play with thin picks, they bend open when "yar into hard pickin". Geo
Fred Kinbom
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From: Brighton, UK

posted 07 April 2006 04:43 AM     profile   send email     edit
I guess the quest for your favourite gear never ends. Now I've settled on cobalt plated Showcase 1941 fingerpicks (great and so comfortable!) or angeled (towards the thumb, contrary to the "reso" ones) ProPik medium split-wrap brass ones for a bit rougher acoustic tone, and the heavy (not extra heavy) Golden Gate thumb pick.
Andy Volk
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From: Boston, MA

posted 07 April 2006 06:48 AM     profile   send email     edit
I like the Bugablue thumpicks.
Mitch Druckman
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From: Arizona, USA

posted 07 April 2006 07:31 AM     profile   send email     edit
What are bugablue picks? What do they look like?
Jim Bates
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From: Alvin, Texas, USA

posted 07 April 2006 10:33 AM     profile   send email     edit
Another pick preference question??

Since I am an 'aggressive' on pedal steel and dobro, I have always used the Dobro (Dunlop makes this style also) clear plastic thumbpick. It does NOT affect the tone of the string, and it stays put on my thumb. For finger picks, I use Dunlop .225, and keep the picking surfaces mirror polished with Simichrome.

Thanx,
Jim

ps - I imagine there may be another thousand or two answers to this question.

Jim Bates
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From: Alvin, Texas, USA

posted 07 April 2006 10:34 AM     profile   send email     edit
Another pick preference question??

Since I am an 'aggressive' on pedal steel and dobro, I have always used the Dobro (Dunlop makes this style also) clear plastic thumbpick. It does NOT affect the tone of the string, and it stays put on my thumb. For finger picks, I use Dunlop .0225, and keep the picking surfaces mirror polished with Simichrome.

Thanx,
Jim

ps - I imagine there may be another thousand or two answers to this question.

Jim Bates
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From: Alvin, Texas, USA

posted 07 April 2006 10:36 AM     profile   send email     edit
Another pick preference question??

Since I am an 'aggressive' on pedal steel and dobro, I have always used the Dobro (Dunlop makes this style also) clear plastic thumbpick. It does NOT affect the tone of the string, and it stays put on my thumb. For finger picks, I use Dunlop .0225, and keep the picking surfaces mirror polished with Simichrome.

Thanx,
Jim

ps - I imagine there may be another thousand or two answers to this question.

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