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Topic: What tuning for Panhandle Rag?
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Steve Benzian
Member From: Burlingame, CA USA
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posted 27 March 2006 06:48 AM
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What tuning was Panhandle Rag recorded by Leon McAuliffe? |
Larry Bell
Member From: Englewood, Florida
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posted 27 March 2006 07:21 AM
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Most folks play it on C6, but I believe Leon played it on E13------------------
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Jerry Overstreet
Member From: Louisville Ky
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posted 27 March 2006 07:43 AM
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edit...I'm thinking of the wrong tune...never mind  [This message was edited by Jerry Overstreet on 27 March 2006 at 07:45 AM.] |
Andy Sandoval
Member From: Bakersfield, California, USA
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posted 27 March 2006 11:12 AM
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One of our own forumites Jim Phelps recorded and posted this rendition of Panhandle Rag awhile back and it inspired me to learn it too. quote:
The drums and bass was done on my midi keyboard and the steel, rhythm guitar and lead guitar were all recorded direct, no volume pedal. I tuned the steel to B7 for the intro, then C6 for the rest.
Jim, I hope you don't mind me posting your tune again.[This message was edited by Andy Sandoval on 27 March 2006 at 11:40 AM.]
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Tom Taylor
Member From: San Antonio, Texas, USA
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posted 27 March 2006 11:58 AM
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I play it in D, using G6 tuning, on the Dobro. |
Ray Riley
Member From: Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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posted 27 March 2006 09:21 PM
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Steve, I play it in E major on a six string national."not very well",I will look and see if I can find it by Leon McCaullif. I also have it by Shot Jackson.------------------
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Chris Scruggs
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 27 March 2006 11:20 PM
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I believe Leon used E7. It also works well on A6. I play it on C6, but I have to work a little harder. I think it plays the easiest on A6. |
John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 27 March 2006 11:25 PM
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I always played it on the C6th-neck and in the Key of (E).------------------
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Chris Scruggs
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 28 March 2006 06:54 AM
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Good point, John. Panhandle Rag IS in E, and I don't care what the fiddle player who wants to play it in the key of D says! If a fiddler plays it in D, you should respond by insisting on Old Joe Clark being played in C#. CS PS John. Thanks for the info on C diatonic. The C6 and F major chord was obvious, but the others were a big help. I'm living in Texas right now, but I'll keep let you know when I'm cursing the tuning and need help! I still might toy with putting D on the top (like a pedal steel C6), but I want to learn as much as I can with it kosher before I start messing with it. I'm a real traditionalist, so I'll probably end up with it just as Byrd wanted. |
Gene Jones
Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA
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posted 28 March 2006 02:33 PM
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*[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 29 March 2006 at 04:35 AM.] |
Jim Bates
Member From: Alvin, Texas, USA
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posted 28 March 2006 02:36 PM
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I watched Leon play it on his middle neck (E13th) with big E on the bottom string. Thanx, Jim Bates ps - for showing off, play it on the C 6th neck and modulate up a fret at a time until you have played in every key. Try it. |
Steve Benzian
Member From: Burlingame, CA USA
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posted 28 March 2006 07:38 PM
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Panhandle Rag McAuliffe [This message was edited by Steve Benzian on 28 March 2006 at 07:39 PM.] |
Alvin Blaine
Member From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA
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posted 29 March 2006 01:34 AM
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Steve,
On the clip you posted the second chord on the intro is the open tuning. Sounds like E7 to me, but could be E13, he just dosn't hit all the notes in the chord.
This is the version that I learned from. When I play it everyone thinks I'm crazy because I tell them the "B" section is "4 1 2 5". Everyone always trys to play it "4 1 4 2 5", where did that come from? |
Jim Phelps
Member From: Mexico City
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posted 29 March 2006 02:23 AM
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Seems like most players I've heard do it 4 1 4 5. I did mine 4 1 2 5 but took a few liberties on some of the rest of it, the intro for example. I also listened to BE's version, though basically similar to Leon's, Buddy has some jazzy solos in the middle, so it seemed to me that Leon's version wasn't chiseled in granite. For that matter, I don't see why anyone should have to exactly duplicate anything... of course if they haven't got some really nifty chord substitutions I'd rather hear them play the original chords, not simply what they heard by mistake, as in Alvin's example. [This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 29 March 2006 at 02:31 AM.] |
Chris Scruggs
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 30 March 2006 12:25 PM
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Alvin, I believe the 4 1 4 2/5 B section came from the Jerry Byrd arrangement from the "Steel Guitar Favorites" LP(that's the one I play the closest to). CS |
Steve Benzian
Member From: Burlingame, CA USA
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posted 30 March 2006 01:21 PM
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Thanks for all the good replys on this topic. Nice playing Jim and Gene! |
Derek Moran
New Member From: California, USA
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posted 25 April 2006 12:31 PM
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Steve, Thanks for the song! |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 25 April 2006 12:58 PM
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Listen to the last two chords at the end of the first time through just before the fiddle solo. The last one is the tonic, and the one before it is a semitone (Half step) lower.. Could it be a twin neck guitar ? because there isn't a low Eb chord on a guitar tuned to E .
Did you know that the first five notes are the same notes as "Steel Guitar Rag" REVERSED.[This message was edited by basilh on 25 April 2006 at 01:02 PM.] |
Edward Meisse
Member From: Santa Rosa, California, USA
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posted 26 April 2006 10:40 AM
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The story I heard is that he did that on purpose. He decided he was going to sit down and write another steel guitar hit. Decided that those notes worked before. So he used them again. |
DeWitt Scott
Member From: St. Louis, Missouri, USA
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posted 26 April 2006 06:43 PM
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Leon McAuliffe played Panhandle Rag at the International Steel Guitar Convention several times and it seems that I remember watching him and he played the fist measure on one neck and the next part on another neck and then back to the other neck. I really don't know if he did it to make that section easier to play or was just for show. I have it on video and maybe someday I will dig it out and watch it. I did ask Leon what went through his mind when he wrote it and he answered, "Steel Guitar Rag was so successful I thought I would write another instrumental so I took Steel Guitar Rag and reversed it". Think about it. I have all four tunings that Leon used along with many other non pedal tunings used by some of the most famous players. Scotty |
Darryl Hattenhauer
Member From: Phoenix, Arizona, USA
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posted 28 April 2006 11:15 PM
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Jim,What kind of steel were you using? And did you do something unusual with the recording or posting? For some reason, it made the stereo in my computer sound much better than usual. I can't imagine why that would be. ------------------
"Drinking up the future, and living down the past"--unknown singer in Phoenix [This message was edited by Darryl Hattenhauer on 28 April 2006 at 11:17 PM.]
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