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Dom Franco
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From: Beaverton, OR, 97007

posted 24 April 2006 11:29 PM     profile   send email     edit
I have been playing Hawaiian guitar (lap steel) for over 40 years.
And during all that time, I have tried many tunings, but I keep on coming back to A6th.

Hi to Low = E, C#, A, F#, E, C#

I teach steel lessons, and most of my students gravitate towards C6(E,C,A,G,E,C) so it’s a very simple tuning change (just 3 strings) and the same string gauges work fine for either tuning.

I began playing Pedal steel in the 1970’s, with a double neck (Fender 2000) E9 and C6 tunings. But the old cable action was a mess. In 1977 at the suggestion of our record producer and steel guitar master, Al Perkins, I sold the old fender and purchased a Shobud LDG (E9 chromatic) Al said the cables were slowing me down. The new guitar was very smooth, and I did improve a lot.

I played mostly pedal steel in a lot of bands, touring and recording, but I always kept at least one other steel or Dobro tuned up to A6. And I always loved that tuning.

THEN IT HIT ME…
The A6 tuning is almost identical to the center and low strings of my E9 chromatic when my A+B pedals are pressed! Hi/low

E9= F#, Eb, A, E, C#,A, F#, E, D, C#

Hi/Low E9 open =
F#, Eb, G#, E, B, G#, F#, E, D, B)
It has taken me all this time to finally figure out why! (I am a slow learner)

Now I bet most of you “no-peddlers” who also “pedal” already knew this, but why didn’t some one tell me sooner?

I just naturally loved the tuning, but now that I can see the correlation, I am going to start playing my Shobud with that in mind (less pedaling, more bar slants)

Ok, I am ready for all the responses by those of you who already made this discovery.

Please let me know if you find this information helpful.

Sincerely;

Dom Franco

[This message was edited by Dom Franco on 24 April 2006 at 11:48 PM.]

[This message was edited by Dom Franco on 24 April 2006 at 11:49 PM.]

Matthew Prouty
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From: São Paulo, Brazil

posted 25 April 2006 01:03 AM     profile   send email     edit
Dom,

Thats some great stuff. I love those revelations!

Thanks for sharing.

M.

Randy Reeves
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From: Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

posted 25 April 2006 05:50 AM     profile   send email     edit
Dom, as a non pedal AND pedal steel player I now have the answer ,thanks to you, why I like my E9 with the A/B pedals down.
amazing.
Kay Das
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From: Singapore and Irvine CA

posted 25 April 2006 07:23 AM     profile   send email     edit
I like the A6 tuning for a slightly different reason. I have three 8-string lap steels C6, B11 and A6. Tuned low to High:

C6: C A C E G A C E
B11: B F# B D# F# A C# E
A6: F# A C# E F# A C# E

I find the top E to be a convenient pivot point. Also the A6 guitar tone is more responsive to feel and pressure due to the lower string tensions.

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kay

Erv Niehaus
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From: Litchfield, MN, USA

posted 25 April 2006 07:26 AM     profile   send email     edit
I have an 8 string Dobro that I bought years ago. I have had the A6th tuning on it for years. It is a great tuning for an 8 string guitar.
Bob Hickish
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From: Port Ludlow, Washington, USA

posted 25 April 2006 07:41 AM     profile     edit
Dom
I have to be the worst pedal player
in the world ! but I do play gigs Non ped
& have been applying non ped stile to my
D-10 8+5 . C6th is no problem but E9th takes
a little more work . Maybe you already know
this ! Drop your 4 & 8 E's to Ed and apply some
non ped 6th playing with that - I guess it would
be a B6th tuning .
Thanks for your info That never accrued to me either !

Hick

Rick Alexander
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From: Florida, USA

posted 25 April 2006 07:46 AM     profile   send email     edit
A6 is a great tuning for 8 string, and for 6 as well. It's symmetrical and not so difficult to conceptualize, yet it has unlimited possibilities. I tend to use it more than other tunings . .
Al Marcus
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From: Cedar Springs,MI USA

posted 25 April 2006 08:17 AM     profile   send email     edit
I always likeed A6 on my lap steel. One of Reece's old Bb6 is quite like it, just tuned his down to A6 1/2 tone and and you have A6-Maj7th, this is a very familiar tuning to older players. As it relates to E9 A and B pedals down what could be easier. If you raise the middle A to B and the middle F# to G#, you have a close approximation of the E6 that I use now.
E9/B6 12 string Univesal has good A6 on it too.
As has been said, "Many ways to play"...al

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basilh
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From: United Kingdom

posted 25 April 2006 11:34 AM     profile   send email     edit
The tunings I use on my Fender 1000 for playing Swing and Hawaiian, are based around the A6th, other UK (Unfriendly Nation) players using it are Rod King, John Marsden, Roland Spurgeon, Arthur Jones, Steve Hancocks, Ted Bluck, and quite a few in Holland.

[This message was edited by basilh on 25 April 2006 at 11:36 AM.]

Ray Minich
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From: Limestone, New York, USA

posted 25 April 2006 12:00 PM     profile   send email     edit
I started out on a 6 string with the straight A tuning (A C# E A C# E Low to High) in 1963. When I got ten strings, it still took me a year to realize I had my 6 string tuning with A & B down.

[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 25 April 2006 at 12:02 PM.]

Andy Sandoval
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From: Bakersfield, California, USA

posted 01 May 2006 09:31 PM     profile   send email     edit
I've got my Fender T-8 Stringmaster tuned (inside to outside neck) A6, B11 and C6 and really like the tone of that A6 for Western Swing.
Roger Shackelton
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From: Everett, Wa.

posted 04 May 2006 11:47 AM     profile   send email     edit
Andy, how well does B-11th workout for Western Swing?

Roger

Jody Carver
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From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 04 May 2006 04:14 PM     profile     edit
Noel Bogg's primary tuning was A 6th with variations.
Rick Alexander
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From: Florida, USA

posted 09 May 2006 02:00 PM     profile   send email     edit
The new TUFF FUN TAB course by Herb Remington and myself is all about A6 tuning. It has Herb's handwritten tab and organic backup tracks (no midi, no karaoke and no drums - just guitars, bass, ukulele & occasional keyboards). Herb's wonderful steel playing alone worth the price of admission, and the tab arrangements are designed to reveal secrets of harmony, single string work, slants and chimes.

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