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tbhenry
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From: Trenton GA USA

posted 19 August 2006 09:24 AM     profile   send email     edit
I have all the parts and want to make a 10 string lap steel. What isa the very best wood to use??
Jason Dumont
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From: Bristol, Connecticut, USA

posted 19 August 2006 09:30 AM     profile   send email     edit
In my opinion I REALLY dig Korina.
Of course there are so many variables.. scale length, type of pick ups, a million others that all factor in to it. I like Mahagany too. Of course others will have other ideas.
Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 19 August 2006 09:45 AM     profile     edit
I'm going to go a little out on a limb and say that I think that the design of the steel is more important than the type of wood it's made of... based on the fact so many of the great lap steels have been made of all kinds of materials and the old Supros, Oahus etc. have been made of pretty cheap wood... and I'd also bet that Loni or George or any of our other esteemed builders could use any wood and it would sound great.

Did you hear about the Taylor acoustic guitar company made some guitars from wood salvaged from old wooden pallets and they sounded exactly the same as their "premium" woods versions...? Sure different woods have different sounds but I'm just saying I think the design is what really counts....masonite Danelectros come to mind...


Of course this is only MHO.


My dad, uncle and cousin were building electric guitars and steels since the '50's, even the hardware and pickups. There was however one occasion my uncle was very excited about using a particular type of wood which exhibited spectacular resonance, it was almost bell-like when tapped; it turned out to be the worst steel he ever built.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 19 August 2006 at 10:03 AM.]

David Phillips
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From: San Francisco, CA , USA

posted 19 August 2006 11:32 AM     profile   send email     edit
I have a mahogany Teisco eight string that eats my Ricky bakalite, two string masters, three Supros and three Eharps for breakfast.
Hard to believe.
I am thinking it might be the wood.
I like all my guitars.
Loni Specter
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From: West Hills, CA, USA

posted 19 August 2006 12:47 PM     profile   send email     edit
Hi all. I have a theory that the wood selection should be broken down into two catagories. Hard and Soft. The harder woods generaly give a brighter tone, like maple as an example, and softer woods like swamp ash give a darker tone. All woods generally fall between them. Of coarse each individual piece varies in density,grain, thickness, etc.

secondly, the less contact the strings have with the wood, the brighter it will be. I've found that strings anchored through bodies into ferrules, like a Telecaster, will be impacted by the woods more than strings anchored to the bridge plate alone, like Fender steels.

OK, there's my view in a nut shell.
Decide what tonality you want and have fun. Hey there's always the #2 attempt.
Let me also say that you never know what it will sound like untill it's done.

Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 19 August 2006 01:01 PM     profile     edit
quote:
Let me also say that you never know what it will sound like untill it's done.

That's for sure. We've made some Tele bodies out of unusual woods and been surprised by the results....and even with traditional woods you don't know til it's done.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 19 August 2006 at 01:11 PM.]

Craig Hawks
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From: North Ridgeville, Ohio, USA

posted 19 August 2006 03:36 PM     profile   send email     edit
I'm sure you folks are going to tell me otherwise, but, since these are electric instruments, the tone can be shaped to anything you want with all of the pedals and "devices" available. Hence, the wood shouldn't make a bit of difference to the tone in the end.

I've been able to make my Stringmaster and my Oahu sound identical.

Loni Specter
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From: West Hills, CA, USA

posted 19 August 2006 04:35 PM     profile   send email     edit
Hi Craig,
I'll by that, assuming you want to 'process' your tone through effects,PODs or whatever.

I think the instrument's natural tone is relevant if you just plug into an amp. Of course the the pickup choiceand amp's tone controls are there to use as well.
Whatever floats your boat!

Bill Creller
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From: Saginaw, Michigan, USA

posted 19 August 2006 05:23 PM     profile   send email     edit
I have found that the tone may be very nice with some woods, but the sustain just isn't there, no matter how the hardware and strings are mounted. A good example of great tone is an old Gibson EH150 I fixed up, but the sustain sucks.
Like the man says, you wont know until you string it up and plug it in.
Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 19 August 2006 08:07 PM     profile     edit
Well Craig I don't buy that, except to say that maybe your Stringmaster and Oahu sound identical to you.

I've seen similar comments from people claiming that with their umpteen-band graphic EQ's they can make their Les Pauls sound "just like a Strat or Tele" and vice-versa, etc. and all I can say is if that's what they think, then fine for them. For me, I don't believe electronics can reshape the timber of an instrument that much and I can hear the difference.

But as Loni says, whatever floats yer boat!

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 19 August 2006 at 08:11 PM.]

John Bechtel
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From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.

posted 19 August 2006 09:48 PM     profile   send email     edit
I'll still cast my vote for a good piece(s) of Walnut!

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Don Kona Woods
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From: Vancouver, Washington, USA

posted 19 August 2006 10:37 PM     profile   send email     edit
Check this reference for a good discussion of a wide variety of woods for instruments.

Good information

Aloha,
Don

Roman Sonnleitner
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From: Vienna, Austria

posted 20 August 2006 05:28 AM     profile   send email     edit
Also check out this site:
http://www.warmoth.com/guitar/options/options_bodywoods.cfm


Depending on what sound you are going for, I'd choose either:

-) mahogany or limba/korina for a warm, full, not too bright sound;

-) alder, swamp ash, basswood or poplar for a very balanced, even sound;

-) walnut or maple for a bright, brilliant sound.

Danny James
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From: Columbus, Indiana, USA

posted 20 August 2006 07:01 AM     profile   send email     edit
I checked the two links above evaluating many different kinds of woods. I notice there is no mention of Wild Cherry. This is used in some of the very finest furniture.

I would like to see a proffessional evaluation of Wild Cherry in relation to being used in a musical instrument.

I recently built a non pedal steel guitar using some 50 yr. old Wild Cherry that came out of a garage loft. I was pleased with the results for looks and sound. I will use it again for another guitar I plan to build.

I used Wild Cherry because it was given to me. So being on hand I just used it as an experiment. I am not a luthier.

Chuck Fisher
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From: Santa Cruz, California, USA

posted 20 August 2006 06:47 PM     profile   send email     edit
My favorite lapsteel is made of Bubinga, Don the luthier says its very hard to work, but what nice sustain. I played the same design from ash and it was different, less balance between notes/strings but its subtle, design is first. I have a eh150 too, it ha no sustain but a wonderful plunky "boww" like Duane Eddie or such. (which is good too for personality) but its not well mannered or polished. If youmake them hollow you get more woody personality imo. More microphonic loose handwound pickups impart more of that too.
Lee Gustafson
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From: Mohawk Michigan, USA

posted 21 August 2006 04:18 PM     profile   send email     edit
I had a friend that had a cheap Carlos guitar with rosewood sides and back. It had a nice warm tone. I'd like to hear what a lap steel made out of solid rosewood sounded like.
Roman Sonnleitner
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From: Vienna, Austria

posted 22 August 2006 01:09 AM     profile   send email     edit
It would be really heavy and expensive - and I presume not that different sounding from mahogany, maybe a bit brighter...
Brad Sarno
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From: St. Louis, MO USA

posted 22 August 2006 07:52 AM     profile   send email     edit
I built a simple 6-string lap steel out of a solid chunk of mahogany. I liked it so much that I sold my Rick Bakelite. Real fat and warm sound with plenty of clarity.


Brad

Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 22 August 2006 12:07 PM     profile     edit
I've got a few short Jacaranda logs here, looking for someone who can saw them into planks, thinking of making a lapsteel with it if I can get it sawed up and seasoned well enough. No idea what it would sound like.
Norman Evans
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From: Tennessee, USA

posted 22 August 2006 04:22 PM     profile   send email     edit
I just built an 8-string steel out of ash. It has a very good tone and great sustain. I got the ash at Chattanooga Hardwoods in Chattanooga, Tn. You can see a picture of the guitar at http://usera.imagecave.com/NormanEvans/guitar/

Good luck on your project. Let us know how it comes out.

Norm Evans

[This message was edited by Brad Bechtel on 22 August 2006 at 07:58 PM.]

John Bechtel
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From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.

posted 22 August 2006 10:37 PM     profile   send email     edit
Norman; I guess it's not what you could actually call an all~original design, but; a very nice looking steel, none the less! I'll bet it sounds great! _ _ _ _ I still say that after owning a Walnut T-8 Custom, if I ever put a steel together, I'm going to use Solid~Walnut! My Walnut Custom came as close to the sound of my modern PSG as anything I've played on! My Custom had Clear Varathane final~coats on it, which also gave it a harder finish than just plain Enamel! I'm still bragging about the compliments I received from Lloyd Green about the sound of my Custom! My last stupid~move was to sell it!
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a.k.a. {Keoni Nui}
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George Piburn
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From: San Diego, California, USA

posted 23 August 2006 03:39 PM     profile   send email     edit
You may want to try Laminating a 1/4" thick piece of visually pleasing wood on top of say , Mahogany or white wood 1/&1/2" or more thickness ,

there is no 1 best choice , it is all up to your taste and availability.

GeorgeBoards

Bill Creller
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From: Saginaw, Michigan, USA

posted 23 August 2006 07:55 PM     profile   send email     edit
I have been working on an old Vega 7 string steel that is made of Gum wood. It's a reddish color like redwood, but a little darker shade. People have told me that Gum was plentiful 75 years ago, used for siding on houses etc, but sort of unheard of today.
Alan F. Brookes
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From: Brummy living in California, USA

posted 24 August 2006 11:58 AM     profile   send email     edit
The best wood for a steel guitar is cast iron, or failing that aluminium.

[This message was edited by Alan F. Brookes on 24 August 2006 at 11:59 AM.]

Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 24 August 2006 02:22 PM     profile     edit
I always thought the best metal for a steel was maple or ash.
Vern Wall
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From: Arizona, USA

posted 24 August 2006 10:04 PM     profile   send email     edit
At the one extreme, some guy pulled a log out of a swamp and built a guitar on it. He called it the Beaver Guitar because both ends had been chewed by beavers. His web site has disappeared, so you can't see it now.

At the other extreme is a company that makes a really cute space frame with carbon fiber sticks and puts guitar strings on it. The actual sound depends on your choice of pickups.

You know what? I couldn't tell any difference between these things. They didn't sound the same, but they all sounded great. I'm pretty sure the choice and placement of pickup has more effect than the choice of wood or facsimile of wood.

Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 24 August 2006 10:11 PM     profile     edit
I'm pretty sure everything combines; wood, pickup, bridge material, scale length, the way the strings are anchored, all of it. It all adds up.
Wayne Cox
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From: Chatham, Louisiana, USA

posted 25 August 2006 07:53 AM     profile   send email     edit
Although the term, "best",is highly subjective,I greatly prefer hard maple to anything else because it is accessable,not overly expensive,has great sustain,gives a brilliant bright tone,and does not dent easily,and you can stain it to most any color. Just my 2 cents worth!
~~W.C.~~
Howard Tate
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From: Leesville, Louisiana, USA

posted 26 August 2006 11:01 AM     profile   send email     edit
I have quite a bit of seasoned white oak I've been thinking of using fo a lap steel. I wonder if it's a waste of time and good furniture wood?

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Howard

Dan Sawyer
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From: Studio City, California, USA

posted 26 August 2006 12:09 PM     profile     edit
I recommend walnut. People who have compared the old Fender steel guitars made out of swamp ash or walnut prefer the walnut tone.

[This message was edited by Dan Sawyer on 28 August 2006 at 12:04 AM.]

Loni Specter
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From: West Hills, CA, USA

posted 26 August 2006 05:47 PM     profile   send email     edit
My next Aero 6 string steel will be walnut just to see how I like it.
I built a strat years ago out of it and it sounded great
Rick Collins
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From: Claremont , CA USA

posted 26 August 2006 06:32 PM     profile   send email     edit
I'm thinking solid rock maple would be best. Bowling balls sound pretty good when they bounce at the alleys.
Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 26 August 2006 07:21 PM     profile     edit
Yeah, but wouldn't you have to throw a lapsteel down the alley to get a fair comparison?
Nick Reed
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From: Springfield, TN

posted 26 August 2006 08:32 PM     profile   send email     edit
Swamp Ash!
Don Kona Woods
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From: Vancouver, Washington, USA

posted 26 August 2006 10:10 PM     profile   send email     edit
Does anyone have any idea of what wood was used in the 1950-1960's Magnatones - D-8" and T-8's?

Aloha,
Don

Rick Collins
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From: Claremont , CA USA

posted 27 August 2006 09:45 AM     profile   send email     edit
quote:
Yeah, but wouldn't you have to throw a lapsteel down the alley to get a fair comparison?
...did that, Jim. The big problem was: It wasn't returned; but I did get a strike.
Jay Fagerlie
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From: Lotus, California, USA

posted 27 August 2006 10:06 AM     profile   send email     edit
Don, from the looks of my T-8, I think it's maple and walnut http://www.scaryoak.com/jay/mag.jpg

I know it's pretty heavey-54 lbs in the case
Jay

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