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Topic: Fender D-10 on Ebay
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Brian Edwards
Member From: Downers Grove, Illinois, USA
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posted 09 November 2003 06:26 AM
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I have never heard of the following:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2570070453&category=33039&rd=1 Does anyone know much about this model? |
Doug Beaumier
Member From: Northampton, MA
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posted 09 November 2003 07:04 AM
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It looks like one of the "Sho-Bud" Fenders. Sho-Bud made PSGs for Fender for a short time in the 1970's. This Page will tell you more about it. Scroll down to #8 on the page.------------------
My Site - Instruction | Doug's Free Tab | Steels and Accessories [This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 09 November 2003 at 07:09 AM.]
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HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 09 November 2003 07:06 AM
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They were commisioned by Fender to be built by Sho-Bud. They are rodded (no cables). |
CrowBear Schmitt
Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 09 November 2003 07:22 AM
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and just how are these Babies ?
were there many made ?
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Jody Carver
Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever
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posted 09 November 2003 07:52 AM
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Fender CBS contracted with Shot Jackson to produce The Fender (Sho-Bud) model. There was an agreement made between Shot and CBS that a minumum be made (6) to be sent to Fender salesman who felt the area they covered had a market for them.There were over 25 salesman at the time but most didnt want to get invloved with steel guitars,the commison was in Rhodes and Fender standard model guitars and amps. There was a contractual agreement that Fender would not place an order for these unless Fender had a commitment from their salesman and the salesmans dealers as Fender didnt want to
warehouse these guitars. It was the decision
of the sales rep whether or not he wanted a sample.I beleived at that time and to today that Fender was wrong in handling this as they did
When I make reference to Fender,I mean CBS. I had a sample and wanted to keep it,but I had to return it to Fender. I would estimate
150 to 200 max of these were produced.Some were still in dealers inventory when I resigned from CBS. I forget if this was before or after Gene Fields designed his great sounding and playing PS 210. CBS couldnt make up their minds.They had the Rhodes Suitcase 73 and Stage Pianos on their minds and not steel guitars. I would like to have this,,maybe??  Crow..they sound like a Fender should and play like a Sho Bud Would. edited,,they are out there in a few dealers inventory, they dont know what they have,or do they???
[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 09 November 2003 at 07:57 AM.] |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 09 November 2003 09:39 AM
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Wow! That one looks like it's never been played!------------------
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Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 09 November 2003 10:16 AM
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Not a bad axe. Basically a Sho~Bud made not to like one. I've seen quite a few of these in the single-neck, but only two others in a double-neck. If you could get it for about $1,200, it might be a great deal! Nobody's bid yet, and it's a good alternative if you don't want an old MSA, but still want a decent D10 for under $1,400. I'm not crazy about the center-mounted (not on the rear apron) RK levers, but several other popular guitars have them as well. |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 09 November 2003 03:59 PM
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Jody,
No, Shot wasn't involved in this venture, It was the "Music City Mfg.," company, owned by David Jackson that did the Fender contract. 4400 steels were made for Fender in a one year period by David Jackson. This is a common misconception, everyone thinks that Shot Jackson was at head of Sho-Bud production mfg.when it was David that did 90% of all of the guitars with the "Sho-Bud" logo and 100% of the Fender guitars, as a matter of fact, Shot Jackson was totaly against David doing the deal with Fender, he figured it would be a bad deal where there was a chance that David could lose the company to Fender. This is the way the Fender lawyers worded the contract: "If Music City Mfg. didn't perform on the contract 100%, in one year, Fender could take over and finish the contract themselves. Shot hated this deal, David thought he could do it, and DID! When the contract was filled, most of the Fender designed parts and tooling went into the "NEW" Sho-Bud Super Pro steel guitar. See, David really came out the big winner, he sold Fender 4400 steel guitars, Fender paid for all the tooling, and at the end, David Jackson built the next great Sho-Bud from the Fender tooling. Shot was three blocks away just hoping his son wouldn't loose everything he had. He didn't. David later sold the company to Fred Grestch, (after a second big run of steels to the "Baldwin co." in Cincinnati OH.) Dec.31,1984. Technically, there were TWO Sho-Bud companies at the same time, Shot Jackson's at 416 Broadway, Nashville, and David Jackson's, "Music City Manufacturing" on Second Ave. North.(three blocks from his Daddy's store). David did the high steel guitar production numbers while Shot built Dobros,lap steels, did mostly custom guitars, Retail sales and repairs. Very low volume, but high profile.
Shot seems to get the credit today for the production steels built from '68 upward when he really had almost nothing to do with it at all. Of course, there would have been no David if it hadn't been for his daddy "Shot"!
bobbeseymour [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 09 November 2003 at 04:06 PM.] |
Jody Carver
Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever
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posted 09 November 2003 04:17 PM
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Thank You Bobbe
I stand corrected.The information posted by myself was told to me first hand by Robert Campbell then President of the CBS group,which consisted of Fender,Rhodes,Rogers
Drums,Vc. Squire Gulbranson Organs and Steinway Pianos.So it took Bobbe to straighten me out after all, Bobbe you are a wealth of knowledge of our industry and I would have loved to have had Sir Robert "Bobbe" Seymour as President and CEO of the Columbia Group. Besides the then CEO couldnt even tell the difference between a steel guitar and a 14x 20 bass drum,,but a nicer man you wouldnt meet anywhere,,,that is "Till There Was You" Thank you for correcting me,,I guess my title of the "Knight Of Fender Tweed" is blemished. But keep a job open for me at the shop.I could learn much from you my friend...which leads me to ask,,can you help me find a mint 1000? Thank you Sir Robert Pickerowski.  And all this time I thought I was a "guru" must have missed a lesson here and there. Thats what I get for looking at all those pretty gals at CBS. edited for spelling. Thanks Bobbe. [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 09 November 2003 at 04:18 PM.] |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 09 November 2003 06:30 PM
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Jody, as I stated, I feel no one knows as much as you about the Fender story, you are my reference to all that's Fender. And as I also stated, EVERYONE thought that Shot was behind Music City Mfg. Which he really had nothing to do with at all. As a matter of fact, I even thought I had detected a little rivalry at times between the two companies.
David would not do any jobs that he figured his Dad could and would do though.
He honored Shot and his brother Harry very much. As we all did. As you may know, Harry (Shot's other son,)worked with Shot at the 416 Broadway location and did many custom jobs himself. Nicer folks I've never met, until I met you Jody!
Seriously , I have tremendous respect for your knowledge of the history of Fender , all I really know about Fender is the connection between this great icon and the "Music City Mfg." company. (Shot still owned the Sho-Bud name). You know what Jody, this is even getting confusing to me, I know it must be to everyone else! I'll elaboate more if anyone really cares, which I hope they don't! Ha! Sir Pickeroski III
(Grand Wizard Poopha of Exaltation)
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 09 November 2003 06:46 PM
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Hey guys, I'd like to answer a question with another opinion, YES, this Fender steel guitar built by Sho-Bud (Music City Mfg.) was a seriously good steel guitar, weird different tone, like the old Fenders but it played GREAT, the only complaint I had with it was the fact that the strings couldn't go straight from the roller nut to the tuning key, this caused the roller to pull over to one side in it's slot and drag to the point that it wouldn't always return to the correct pitch. The fix is to remove the Fender keyhead and replace it with a Emmons "short LeGrande" keyhead. This has been done several times and is a pretty easy and inexpensive perminent fix.
With a pickup change also, this is a very good steel guitar,
I cut my album, "Steel Guitar Favorites on one. I loved it, it had that "Zing". And as you know, it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that------you finish it. |
Jody Carver
Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever
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posted 09 November 2003 07:13 PM
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Oops I forgot the lyrics...lets see.....Bing?
Ding? Wing? Wing Ding? Oh I remember,,but I
dont know how to spell zwing.Thank you Oh Knight Of The Black Mica Kingdom There is only one Bobbe Seymour. And thank you for all of your humor and history and all
the fun here on this Forum. Even my dogs like
to hear your stories. When it come to steel guitar,few know it as The Knight Of The Black Mica Kingdom does. Thank you Sincerely Al Sharpton  PS a guy once said to me years ago and I took it as a compliment when he said to me,,,
Hey You..who me? Yeah you,,There is only one
sound like da Fender sound and I said well thank you,,he said dont thank me,I think dat
sound STINKS 
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 09 November 2003 07:27 PM
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Jody, you make my sides hurt! Tears run down my face, and scream at your hilarity, then turn around and spout a steel history lesson that takes me back to my first '49 Fender custom, that I still have!
Can you believe that? My Dad had my first fender guitar packed away and saved for the future. Duel Professional, square pickups, tuning keys still work but one pickup needs to be rewound, Wow, '1949, I was only 27 at the time, sixth grade, Dad was in the eighth. Mom was teaching.
Anyway, I love your post's Jody, didn't mean to correct you, just wanted to add to the story. David was "pinned to the wall" for that whole year, but, he did it. I don't think I'd have taken the chance, someone needs to do "The David Jackson story", It would be very very interesting, and very historical to steel guitar.
bobbeseymour
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Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 09 November 2003 08:12 PM
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Wow Bobbe! 4,400 steels in one year? That's about 15 a day (working 6 d/w). Dave must have had quite an operation down there. I'm impressed! That kind of effort takes some serious planning and dedication to make it work. |
Jody Carver
Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever
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posted 09 November 2003 08:13 PM
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'1949, I was only 27 at the time, sixth grade, Dad was in the eighth. Mom was teaching.I wished I could see your report card What grade was your grandfather in??.
Did you pick your guitar or your nose? God gave me my face,,but I picked my nose. |
Johan Jansen
Member From: Europe
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posted 10 November 2003 04:39 AM
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I own a Fender-steel,same model and color. Replaced the pick-up on the E9 neck with a BL 710, 20 years ago. Still sounds and playes great!
Johan |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 10 November 2003 06:57 AM
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Donnie Hinson, yes, PLUS the Sho-Bud production along with the Fender production.
David did add many extra employees for this venture. He had a tremoundous amount of floor space, six floors and a full basement on second ave.
Should we total the Fender production in with the Sho-Bud production? Wow, this makes Sho-Bud by far the biggest Mfg. ever in steel guitar, to date, anyway. In the end, Carter may do more.
Jody, I'm still laughing! Do you ever let up? No, I hope you won't! |
Winnie Winston
Member From: Tawa, Wellington, NZ
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posted 11 November 2003 02:37 AM
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I do belive that there is a small difference with the Fender/Sho-Bud steels...
The changer (true to the old Fenders) ran on a knife edge and NOT on an axle.
I have one whole finger of a Fender changer in my collection of odd stuff.JW |
Johan Jansen
Member From: Europe
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posted 11 November 2003 10:35 AM
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you are right,Winnie![This message was edited by Johan Jansen on 11 November 2003 at 10:36 AM.] |
Roger Shackelton
Member From: Everett, Wa.
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posted 11 November 2003 10:53 AM
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The one and only bid was for $1,190.00 Not a bad price for a D-10 in near mint condition. Roger |
CrowBear Schmitt
Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 12 November 2003 12:39 AM
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looks like it went to Germany too |
Rainer Hackstaette
Member From: Bohmte, Germany
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posted 04 December 2003 08:28 AM
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After a brief but rewarding stay in the capital of Berlin, where she got polished up, tweaked a little, taken for a stroll down the Kurfuerstendamm and treated to a sightseeing tour of the Brandenburg Gate (the original doors of which I happen to have for sale, in case anyone is interested ...), this little beauty has come to stay in the metropolis of Bohmte, the city with probably the highest steel guitars per capita ratio east of the river Ems (and good luck finding either one - the river or the city).Boy, do I love to brag!!!  ------------------
Remington D-10 8+7, Sierra Crown D-10 gearless 8+8, Sierra Session S-14 gearless 8+5, '77 Emmons D-10 8+4, Sho~Bud Pro-I 3+5, Fender Artist D-10 8+4, Peavey Session 400 LTD, Peavey Vegas 400 |
Gene Jones
Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA
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posted 04 December 2003 09:04 AM
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The undercarriage does indeed look the same as the Super-Pro (14578) that I bought new in the early 1980's. I paid $2359 for it and the "Nashville Pro-Steel" amp that came with it. I'm guessing that it was also mfg with the same pot metal and aluminum changers! www.genejones.com |
Rainer Hackstaette
Member From: Bohmte, Germany
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posted 04 December 2003 10:40 AM
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Gene,the changer and the tuning key pan with roller nuts are just about the only noticable differences between a Super Pro and the Fender, if we leave the sound out of the picture. The string-fretboard distance is also a little smaller on the Fender. The changer is, as has been said before by Winnie and Johan, a rather unique design. It is double raise/double lower (not triple raise as stated on the Sho-Bud page!). The strings go through the top of the changer finger from the pickup side, then back over the top of the finger and on to the keyhead. Almost like on the bridge of a '54 Gold Top Les Paul before the tun-o-matic bridge. The top of the finger is not a half circle like on a P/P, but rather elliptical in shape. The string lies on the "flat" side of the ellipse, not on the pointy edge, if you know what I mean. The undercarriage is pure Sho-Bud with the pot metal knee lever brackets, levers, and bell cranks. The hexagonal cross bars are aluminum. Tone? Closer to Sneaky Pete's Fender 400 than Jimmy Day's Sho-Bud. Twangy alright - like a Strat with pedals. Less sustain up the neck, though, than any of my other guitars, except the Fender Deluxe 6. I definitely like it: one more distinct sound to choose from. The tuning pan is bad engineering. It didn't matter that much with the Stringmaster family of steels but it should have been scrapped when the first PSG 400 was built. Leo's genius must have called in sick on the day he came up with that design. Rainer ------------------
Remington D-10 8+7, Sierra Crown D-10 gearless 8+8, Sierra Session S-14 gearless 8+5, '77 Emmons D-10 8+4, Sho~Bud Pro-I 3+5, Fender Artist D-10 8+4, Peavey Session 400 LTD, Peavey Vegas 400 |
Gene Jones
Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA
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posted 04 December 2003 11:29 AM
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Ranier....you have purchased a unique instrument. I wish that I could find and buy back my Super Pro! Best wishes,
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