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Marvin Stegall
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posted 29 April 2006 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marvin Stegall     
i have been a member for awhile now. So here goes> this not meant to put anyone down or up. just my thoughts. I have played many kinds of steel's. gfi. marlen. zum.bmi.miller.You name it i have tried it. But the thing that amazes me is, that >Buddy Emmons behind , one of these guitars, Such as his new zum. And they want to go out and get them one. makes me laugh/ they are giving him the guitar. In hoping it will sell them some guitars. Buddy Do not take this the wrong way, if you are not happy with it, Take it back home, And help RON JR>out. I knew his DAD> He was a good man ,If we all do not do sometime,The Emmons will end up like SHO-BUD. Forgoten. And so will you my Hero of the Steel.


Marlin Smoot
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posted 29 April 2006 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marlin Smoot     
That sure was an interesting post from Marvin.

I think Buddy Emmons footprint in music is pretty wide and long lasting and because of that impression, no matter what guitar he's playing or endorsing, Buddy Emmons and others of this aera will be talked in style and substance forever much like classical musicians from the 17th, 18th and 19th century. They were first to do many things with the style and tone of the PSG.

Sho-Bud and Emmons guitars are still being used today on the local bandstand to major recordings, I equate them to the Fenders and Gibsons guitars that are still being used in not only popular music but all kinds of music of today and I think especially Sho-Bud and Emmons guitars will be around for many, many decades and longer to come. Of course there are more than several great pedal steel guitars being made today that will also be around for just as long, but few have the recording 'tone history' of the Sho-Bud and Emmons and Franklin guitars.

The Franklin guitar may be on more country hit recordings than any other brand of pedal steel guitar, mainly because of Paul Franklin and his dad. They may have also secured a special place in musicial history too.

My 2 cents which isn't right or wrong, just a viewpoint.

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posted 29 April 2006 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ricky Davis     
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they are giving him the guitar. In hoping it will sell them some guitars.

Marvin; who told you this? Or is this just something you figure> as we all assume things; but may not know that for a fact> is this the case???
Ricky


Bobby Boggs
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posted 29 April 2006 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bobby Boggs     
No I think Bruce gave him the guitar so he could get 4 years behind instead of just 2.

Well it makes sense to me...

Billy Carr
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posted 30 April 2006 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Billy Carr     
Who wouldn't want BE sitting behind there guitar? He's the main reason I tried the Fender Steel King amps because he was sitting next to one behind a D-10 Carter on the ad booklet that Carter mailed out. I remember the 10/12 JCH, the blonde Sho-Bud he used on Night Life, a white Sierra. A couple of us are in the process of building the first demo model for a Mississippi made Psg at the present time. It wouldn't be a problem if BE wanted one, I assure you. Matter of fact, we'll probably be sending the demo's out for a test run with some players later this year.


Bill Mayville
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posted 30 April 2006 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Mayville     
Hi Marvin
Could be your'e WAY off base.
Maybe Buddy will Comment.
In the past He has said, That he has always
paid for All the guitars he has.Unless he
has changed ,you might open a little wider.

Bill

Marlin Smoot
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posted 30 April 2006 05:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marlin Smoot     
Seems like this topic should be in 'Steel Players' or 'Music'


Skip Cole
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posted 30 April 2006 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skip Cole     
I'll bet that neither Buddy or Bruce need any help being successful in their financial or professional endeavors, eh?

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Marvin Stegall
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posted 30 April 2006 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marvin Stegall     
i am not saying that he is not paying for his guitars, when you are the big E> that makes a lot of difference. but what you see is not always the case. he stoped playing the Emmons >cause, of an fall out with ron sr. Fellows this is the name of the game. i sure think that my guitar would sell some what better, with the big E behind. The BIG EThis is in his on WORDS> When the PUSH PULL EMMONS WAS faded OUT ,He said that it was not his baby any more. I have worked for Ron SR. So I Know a few things, When the all-Pull Guitar Came out it was not his . RON LASHLEY, met the big and got the changer,from him . Tommy White is playing what he has got because of a difference in price than what he was told. i do not blame him at all. i would .

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Bobby Boggs
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posted 30 April 2006 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bobby Boggs     
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When the all-Pull Guitar Came out it was not his . RON LASHLEY, met the big and got the changer,from him

Ok, if you're going to tell the story fill in the blanks. ..........bb

Marvin Stegall
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posted 01 May 2006 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marvin Stegall     
THIS IS TO THE BIG-E. WHY DO YOU HAVE'TH TO BE SO such a seceret. that knowone can send you an e-mail.


Daniel J. Cormier
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posted 01 May 2006 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel J. Cormier     
Big-E would sound good playing a 2x4 with 6 strings

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Farris Currie
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posted 01 May 2006 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Farris Currie     
WONDER how much rest BIG E would get if all had his EMAIL AND PHONE number huh!!!!!!!

That is each persons privelage to where and who they want to hear from!!!!!!!!!

Sometimes i wish i could HIDE MINE from all the TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DANIEL YOU ARE SO RIGHT MAN, BUD CAN MAKE A BOARD WITH ONE STRING SOUND SO GOOOOOOOOD
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Marvin Stegall
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posted 01 May 2006 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marvin Stegall     
I agree with you. that is just my point here.it does not matter what he may be playing. but it does shed light upon what i am saying. but that does not make that guitar or another be better. Yes i can only imange the trash ,crazy e- mail he would get . but that is a part of being famous. what the good LORD GAVE HIM HE SHOULD BE WILLING TO SHARE WITH OTHER"S


Bill Ferguson
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posted 01 May 2006 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Ferguson     
Marvie,

quote"what the good LORD GAVE HIM HE SHOULD BE WILLING TO SHARE WITH OTHER"S"

Well I don't think the Good Lord gave Buddy an email address.
And Buddy DOES share the tallent that the Good Lord did give him, with everyone.

And by the way, some good PR and shipping of some guitars could put the Emmons company back on the map.

And by the way, Ron, Jr.is my friend and the late Ron, Sr. was my friend.

Bill Ferguson

Why are you trying to stir up trouble on the forum? You know, NO ONE will be on your side.

Bill Moran
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posted 01 May 2006 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Moran     
I see no reason why Buddy shouldn't be
able to enjoy new guitars with new ideas.
After all, he played a big part in the
evolution of the pedal steel. I hope he
keeps on keeping on !!

My thoughts:
Bill


Marvin Stegall
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posted 01 May 2006 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marvin Stegall     
i agree with you 100% bill.


Curt Langston
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posted 01 May 2006 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Curt Langston     
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If we all do not do sometime,The Emmons will end up like SHO-BUD. Forgoten.

The Emmons Guitar Co. will be the only one to decide it's fate.

Marketing and management will determine.

Curt Langston
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posted 01 May 2006 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Curt Langston     
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It wouldn't be a problem if BE wanted one, I assure you. Matter of fact, we'll probably be sending the demo's out for a test run with some players later this year.

I'm guessing that you guys will be making up the revenue of those "demo" guitars via the sales to the average joes?

Don't get me wrong. ANY builder would give Buddy (or a top pro) a guitar. It is just good marketing. Those who do not believe that, just plain do not get it.

I see posts on this forum that say stuff like," So and so paid for their guitar"..Whatever. Give me a break.
I was born at night, but not LAST night!


Curt Langston
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posted 01 May 2006 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Curt Langston     
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he stoped playing the Emmons >cause, of an fall out with ron sr.

Yeah. They stole his name.

I'd have a fall out as well. Maybe even a knock out!

[This message was edited by Curt Langston on 01 May 2006 at 06:03 PM.]



Marvin Stegall
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posted 01 May 2006 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marvin Stegall     
i agree with you curt. i think that a lot went on that we do not know about. yes you are right. it is up to emmons guitar company,what decides there fate. i just hat to see it go under.


Marvin Stegall
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posted 01 May 2006 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marvin Stegall     
i agree with you curt. i think that a lot went on that we do not know about. yes you are right. it is up to emmons guitar company,what decides there fate. i just hat to see it go under.


Marvin Stegall
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posted 01 May 2006 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marvin Stegall     
i agree with you curt. i think that a lot went on that we do not know about. yes you are right. it is up to emmons guitar company,what decides there fate. i just hat to see it go under.


Paul King
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posted 01 May 2006 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul King     
I do not know whether Buddy Emmons received the Zumsteel free or not. I personally do not feel like Bruce would have to give Buddy Emmons a free guitar to help their sales. Zumsteel is doing very well in the steel guitar market. As far as the parting of ways with Emmons Guitar Company, we may not know all the details and really do not need to know. I do know this, Buddy Emmons has the greatest respect any steel player could possibly have from the steel guitar community. His email address is not public, and I would imagine if it was public he would not get anything done or have any private life. Buddy Emmons contributions will never be matched the way I see it. The man is highly intelligent and a super player as well. At nearly 70 years of age, most players will never match him even at his age. I do not have to tell you that I am a big Buddy Emmons fan and I will stand up for him, even though he has done no wrong.


A. J. Schobert
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posted 01 May 2006 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for A. J. Schobert     
Marvin keep in mind and make no mistake what ever guitar buddy sits behind will sound flawless, I would say the only two peaple that know what the agreement leading up to buddy playing a zum is buddy and bruce, these marketing topics have been hammered, personally if I knew there agreement I would not disclose it look at the ratings we get on the forum!


Marvin Stegall
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posted 01 May 2006 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marvin Stegall     
hey paul!! no one is saying here buddy is doing anything wrong. he has more done wrong to him, than he has done ever to anyone. fred trodgen, sure got the short end of the stick when he passed away, I OUOTE I AM A VERY BIG BUDDY EMMONS FAN, AND YOU ARE DEAD RIGHT, HE WILL BE THE KING TO ME LONG AFTER HE IS GONE. SO DO NOT MIS UNDERSTAND <> I JUST HATE TOO SEE IT END UP LIKE SHO-BUD DID. THATS ALL. GUESS YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE E MAIL HE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY PEACE AT ALL


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posted 01 May 2006 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom Quinn     
Wait a second... did you say 70??? Sheesh, I keep thinking of the cool looking dude in the pegged pants picking that beautiful guitar. I'm 61, but I think Buddy is 35 and counting... least in my book. :- )

FWW, in my book, the last Emmons was the last P/P guitar, but ymmv...

David L. Donald
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posted 01 May 2006 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David L. Donald     
Make no mistake, Buddy's recorded works will endure,
long after the man is gone. Something he can be right proud of.

As far as which steel he plays at a given moment
or if others go out an buy them because he played 'em;

Well that is perfectly logical,
if he liked it enough to play live,
or record with it,
it is no doubt a fine instrument.
So for others to buy one makes pefect sense.

I am sure over the years, Buddy has gotten
one or two sweetheart deals on steels. So what?
He is personal friends with many of the BEST builders.

But I am also sure :
he has paid good money
to good friends
for doing great work
building steels for him.

He never struck me, even a bit, as someone to stiff
a friend (or stranger) to get a good deal,
or take advantage of their generosity.
or even bother with being a builders billboard.

He's a picker, that's his thing, and need have no other.

But the bottom line, I VERY much doubt he would play live, or record with,
a steel that didn't do it for him as an instrument ;
free or full boat price.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 07 May 2006 at 01:53 AM.]



CrowBear Schmitt
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posted 02 May 2006 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrowBear Schmitt     
i seriously doubt that Mr Z gave Buddy his Zum fer free
& i'm ready to bet my pants that the main man would'nt have taken it fer free either.

lucky me. i got my Zum, jes' a bit before Buddy got his
Buddy knows what's shakin' - he's been watchin' a bunch of us coppin' Zums.
After havin' copied him, it's his turn to copy us.

Yeah ! be a Zumbody



Gary Lee Gimble
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posted 02 May 2006 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Lee Gimble     
Me thinks some folks have way too much time on their hands wondering and worrying who gets what and who doesn't. Preconceived notions may eventually get you an endorsement from Charmon.


Stephen Gambrell
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posted 02 May 2006 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephen Gambrell     
Marvin,
As a lot of folks who know me can tell you, I'm a little bit slow, so you may have to explain to me---
WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???


Marvin Stegall
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posted 02 May 2006 05:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marvin Stegall     
steven, just wanted to get some feed back on how others felt. i feel the same way they do. ?>>was wondering if they gave the guitars to the pros. and do not want to see emmons guitar go under.


Marlin Smoot
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posted 02 May 2006 06:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marlin Smoot     
I wanted a new Zum after hearing and seeing Tommy Dodd playing on his. Not to mention Randy Beavers and Roger Crawford too.


Stephen Gambrell
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posted 02 May 2006 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephen Gambrell     
"steven, just wanted to get some feed back on how others felt. i feel the same way they do."

I feel more like I did when I first got here, than I do now.

Donny Hinson
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posted 02 May 2006 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Donny Hinson     
Brands come and go. So what? Do some people think that a player is less or more of a player because of the brand he plays? (Some probably do, but I feel sorry for them, really.) To think that a player's sound comes from his guitar is silly, and really demeaning to players, IMHO, players who have spent their whole lives learning how to get "their sound", regardless of what brand they play. You can't buy "that sound", you have to make it!

Would you rather hear Buddy on an old Sho~Bud, or some beginner on a new $5,000 guitar?

I care how someone plays, not what he plays, and I think most pros would agree...


It's in the hands!



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posted 02 May 2006 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed packard     
Having been fairly close to the builder/player interface, my take on the subject is:

1. Agree with those that feel that if a NAME player plays it in public or on record it is a very useable instrument.

2. A NAME player will have the instrument tweaked to his preferrence by the builder/assembler...just might be a bit different from what someone ordering the same machine would get.

3.Re 'pay or NO pay'...Payment in $ or payment in NAME/PHOTO use in advertising, or a combination of both, or perhaps even a royalty for that type of instrument ordered...lots of way for compensation. You can starve to death being a GOOD steel player, so the smart ones have PRODUCT to sell, think CDs, Lessons, Videos, and endorsements.

[This message was edited by ed packard on 02 May 2006 at 10:02 AM.]



Curt Langston
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posted 02 May 2006 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Curt Langston     
quote:
You can starve to death being a GOOD steel player, so the smart ones have PRODUCT to sell, think CDs, Lessons, Videos, and endorsements.

Great point!

Marlin Smoot
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posted 02 May 2006 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marlin Smoot     
This can't happen with pedal steels as much...but I've heard some guitar players will endorse an amp but have the guts taken out and their favorite amps installed. So you may see a guy playing a Marshall but inside is a Mesa Boogie. Hows that for marketing?


Dave Grafe
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posted 03 May 2006 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Grafe     
At least one famous rock guitar player that I have worked with recently had multiple Marshall stacks on stage but was plugged into a Peavey combo amp mic'd off, hidden behind the stage.

Anyone for a flaming arrow?

James Cann
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posted 04 May 2006 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Cann     
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THIS IS TO THE BIG-E. WHY DO YOU HAVE'TH TO BE SO such a seceret. that knowone can send you an e-mail.

If memory serves, BE has posted enough times so that getting to him by email is easy enough.

PS: His posts are also a pleasure to read, as he practices his writing as well as his music.

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