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PLAYSTEEL9 Member Posts: 689 |
posted 14 August 2000 10:20 AM
WHAT ARE THE DIFFRET MODELS OF SHO-BUDS AND HOW DO THEY DIFFER, WHAT YEARS WERE THEY PRODUCED?? ANY BETTER THEN THE OTHER? WHAT DO I LOOK FOR IN A SHO BUD, ARE THEY A VERY HEAVY GUITAR? NEED HELP ON BUYING A SHOW BUD WAYNE ------------------ |
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Lem Smith Member Posts: 1501 |
posted 14 August 2000 11:38 PM
Wayne, as far as I know, the Sho~Bud models were... 1. The "Permanent" model...changes welded in place (Late 50's-Early 60's) 2. The "Fingertip" model...you could tune your changes at the endplate with no tools. (Mid to later 60's) 3. The "Professional"...A D10 using the ladder type undercarriage. While often thought of a a single raise/lower, it was in actuality an infinate raise/lower system. Heavy guitar! (Early 70's) 4. The "Pro I" a singleneck (Early 70's until ? 5. The "Pro II"...A D10 with wooden necks, and the earlier models had the brass tuners, with the later models having nylon tuners. It had a double raise/lower changer. Some of the later Pro II's may have been triple/double though...not sure. (Earlier 70's until ? 6. The "Pro III"... A D10 with aluminum necks. (Mid 70's until ??? 7. The "L.D.G." aka the Lloyd Green model...this was an S10 on a double frame. Originated faily early in the 70's also, I believe. 8. The "Superpro"...This was a smaller guitar than the Pro II's & III's, but otherwise I'm not really sure of the differences. It seems these came about in the late 70's. Someone else can correct the dates if I'm wrong...(and there's a good chance of that!) Most Sho~Buds I've had have been pretty heavy guitars, with the exception of a Maverick and a Pro I. A word of caution...most players will tell you to avoid the Maverick, unless it's all you can do, as it is quite limited without a major re-make. It was Sho~Buds student model guitar. Personally, what I'd look for would be at least a Pro II on up, with a Superpro being my first choice. Unless you're wanting an S10, then my preference would be an L.D.G. I've owned two of those, and they're great guitars!!! The "Professional" is an awesome sounding guitar, but the undercarriage isn't the most user friendly out there, but again, they DO have an incredible tone!!! [This message was edited by Lem Smith on 14 August 2000 at 11:48 PM.] |
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Jeff Lampert Member Posts: 2636 |
posted 15 August 2000 06:20 PM
Lem, Aren't there also the "Crossover" models where you moved a lever or something to transfer pedal changes from one neck to the other? |
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Fred Layman Member Posts: 583 |
posted 16 August 2000 07:39 AM
The Sho-Bud/Baldwin models, distributed by Gretsch, were produced between '66 and '70.The first two years they had wooden necks that extended to the changer end of the guitar, enclosing the changer mechanism. The last two years they had wooden necks, but with a metal tailpiece enclosing the changer mechanism. |
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Jon Light Member Posts: 6528 |
posted 16 August 2000 08:27 AM
Lem--that's a great page of info, above. I would sure like to see someone do the research and put together a definitive chronology and product description. |
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VERNONPRIDDY unregistered Posts: 6528 |
posted 16 August 2000 08:43 AM
I would go L D G all the way i had one wish i had another one. great guitar. hank. |
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Lem Smith Member Posts: 1501 |
posted 16 August 2000 10:42 AM
Jeff, you are correct. I don't know how I could have left out the "crossover" model!  Thanks Jon. You're right, that would be an interesting project for someone who really knew the history of Sho~Bud. Hey Buddy...are ya listening??? ------------------ |
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Lem Smith Member Posts: 1501 |
posted 16 August 2000 10:50 AM
One other note... The earliest Sho~Buds had 8 strings per neck. There were also some that had 9 strings if I remember correctly, and I believe I remember Buddy saying something about having one with 16 strings per neck...tuned on the same priciple as a 12 string guitar I believe. Now THAT would have been a trip to play!!! Also, the Sho~Bud that Lloyd G. used on the famous "Charlie Pride live at Panther Hall" recording was a "fingertip" model. This was a D10 guitar, and if I remember correctly, it was featured on the front of the "Green Country" album that Lloyd did. Some of Lloyd's most famous work was done on this guitar, before going to a Sho~Bud L.D.G. ------------------ |
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CrowBear Schmitt Member Posts: 6016 |
posted 16 August 2000 01:44 PM
Thanks Lem ! i appreciated the Bud summary on your first post.  i love them Buds, but mostly, any Good steel playin is enough to keep me goin' till the next day.  |
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PLAYSTEEL9 Member Posts: 689 |
posted 16 August 2000 03:35 PM
I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP I THINK I KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR. THANKS AGAIN, WAYNE YOU CAN CLOSE THISS ONE UP ------------------ |
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Lem Smith Member Posts: 1501 |
posted 16 August 2000 10:56 PM
You're most welcome, CrowBear. I'm glad you found it useful. I like the "Buds" too...wish I had another one to go along with my Emmons!!! ------------------ |
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Tele Member Posts: 965 |
posted 17 August 2000 12:37 PM
so what kind of changer is this ??? according to your chart it must be a Permanent, but it looks like a Fingertip!? Guitar must be around 1962, notice the decal: Sho-Bud, Madison Tenn."  Andy |
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Lem Smith Member Posts: 1501 |
posted 17 August 2000 09:01 PM
Andy, the years I gave are somewhat approximate...nothing carved in stone. The guitar in the pic is a "fingertip" model. L. ------------------ |
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