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Bobby Lee Sysop Posts: 14849 |
posted 30 October 2000 11:46 PM
For E9th players only - a survey: If you could have no more than four knee levers, you would probably have E's lowered, E's raised, D# (and maybe D) lowered, and ... then what? If you could only have four knee levers, what would the 4th one do? |
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Jeff Hyman Member Posts: 375 |
posted 31 October 2000 12:25 AM
Bobby, is it safe to assume you are asking those that also only have 3 or less knee levers? I have a LDG model which already has 4 KL... so my vote is to maintain the same setup. You may also mean what if you have *more* then 4 KL... what 4 would you keep? PS: You are so supportive of the PSG community with this forum. Just want to say thanks!! |
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Colin Goss Member Posts: 221 |
posted 31 October 2000 01:11 AM
My fourth lever takes the E to F#. Yes I know it doubles the C pedal. BUT you can do some of the Mooney licks with it, you can get Minors, and after playing 456 with A&B pedals down slide back two frets and bring in the F# lever before taking both pedals and the lever off. I nice and different sound. |
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Earnest Bovine Member Posts: 4687 |
posted 31 October 2000 01:29 AM
G# -> G |
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Jack Stoner Sysop Posts: 8119 |
posted 31 October 2000 03:30 AM
My 4th Knee Lever would be what I have now on one of my Knee levers. I raise the 1st string (F# to G#), raise the 2nd string (D# to E), lower the 6th string (G# to F#) with a split lower to G on the E9th neck (this same knee lever lowers the C6th 3rd string C to B). (My first two knee levers raise and lower the E's and my third knee lever lowers the 2nd string a full tone with a half tone feel stop, raises the 7th string (F# to G) and lowers the 9th string (D to C#) on the E9th neck and lowers the C6th second string E to Eb). My 5th Knee lever is the "X" lever, the left knee push up that lowers the B strings. I use it quite a bit, especially with A&B pedals for a minor, but if I had to give one up, I'd go down kicking, but this would be the one. |
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P Gleespen Member Posts: 751 |
posted 31 October 2000 04:34 AM
I'd go with Jack's answer. |
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Dave Smith Member Posts: 218 |
posted 31 October 2000 05:10 AM
I use Jack's setup as well.  |
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Richard Sinkler Member Posts: 2896 |
posted 31 October 2000 07:35 AM
ONLY 4!!  I guess I would lower my low G# to F# ------------------ |
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Michael Maese Member Posts: 45 |
posted 31 October 2000 07:39 AM
My fourth knee lever is both G#s to G. Have found it to be a useful change for many years. I see how the F# to G might serve a similar purpose, and I am trying to get used to that change as a vertical knee lever on one of my ShoBuds now. |
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Bobby Lee Sysop Posts: 14849 |
posted 31 October 2000 07:57 AM
Great answers so far. Keep 'em coming. Jeff Hyman - what does the 4th lever on your LDG do? Earnest - do you lower both G# strings to G? |
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C Dixon Member Posts: 5912 |
posted 31 October 2000 08:01 AM
It just has to lower the 6th string from a G# to an F# You could possibly raise the 1st string with it a half or whole tone and maybe even raise the 2nd string a half a tone with it. But ya just gotta lower that 6th string a whole tone and "split" it with the B pedal. Look don't take my word for it. The greatest player who will EVER lived, or ever will live has had it for almost 20 yrs! Enough said ya'll God bless you, carl |
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Bob Farlow Member Posts: 895 |
posted 31 October 2000 08:15 AM
Lower 5 & 10 a half step. |
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Jeff Lampert Member Posts: 2636 |
posted 31 October 2000 08:35 AM
Raise 1 a whole tone. Raise 2 a half tone. Lower 6 a whole tone. (and lowers C to B on C6 neck) |
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Bobby Boggs Member Posts: 3623 |
posted 31 October 2000 08:44 AM
Raise 1 a whole tone with half tone stop Raise 2a half tone raise 7 a whole tone with half tone stop Drop 3rd string C6th whole tone with half tone stop.No wonder guitar builders don,t like me! |
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Rick Schmidt Member Posts: 1596 |
posted 31 October 2000 08:54 AM
Ditto's w/ Earnest......G#'s > to G. |
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B Cole unregistered Posts: 1596 |
posted 31 October 2000 09:12 AM
Left going left E TO F-- LEFT GOING RIGHT E TO Eb RIGHT GOING LEFT D# to D TO C# RIGHT GOING RIGHT D# TO E PLUS B TO Bb |
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Kevin Mincke Member Posts: 1029 |
posted 31 October 2000 09:13 AM
My set-up is close to Jack's & as Richard stated.....Lower the G# -> F#. Works well with the E's lowering on LKR. |
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Bob Hoffnar Member Posts: 4278 |
posted 31 October 2000 09:20 AM
5th string B to Bb. |
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Alan Shank Member Posts: 231 |
posted 31 October 2000 11:13 AM
Another vote for G#'s to G. Cheers, Alan Shank |
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Bob Kagy Member Posts: 872 |
posted 31 October 2000 11:53 AM
Both F#'s to G. |
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Joe Miraglia Member Posts: 771 |
posted 31 October 2000 12:16 PM
4th. string-E to F# use it alot. Joe |
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Jon Light Member Posts: 6528 |
posted 31 October 2000 01:02 PM
I've been a strong advocate for the G#>F# lower but lately I've become infatuated with the B>Bb on my vert. I love the min7b5 rooted at the 7th string with AB down and B lowered. And of course I'm using it too much now. But it's the wrong time for me to decide which one would have to go. So I'll keep all 7 levers. [This message was edited by Jon Light on 31 October 2000 at 01:03 PM.] |
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Marco Schouten Member Posts: 920 |
posted 31 October 2000 02:05 PM
Bob Kagy, i'll go with you ------------------ |
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Tony Rankin Member Posts: 566 |
posted 31 October 2000 02:33 PM
Same as Jack Stoner! I would guess that I use that lever more than the second string lower. |
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Jim Eaton Member Posts: 1036 |
posted 31 October 2000 03:17 PM
If I had to give up one of the 5 KL's on my E9/B6 S-12 Sierra, it would be the LKV that raises both F#'s to G. I could still play with the other 4 just fine, but I would miss that change if it was gone. JE:-) |
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Lee Baucum Member Posts: 3201 |
posted 31 October 2000 04:11 PM
I agree with Jack. Lee, from South Texas |
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Jeff Hyman Member Posts: 375 |
posted 31 October 2000 04:31 PM
G# -> G Its all I've ever been exposed to. |
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Moon in Alaska Member Posts: 1155 |
posted 31 October 2000 05:41 PM
I agree with Colin Goss -- My 4th knee raises the 4th E to F#. I use this move allmost as much as any knee !! I think having that change for years causes you to use it more.I still have my C pedal, but use that knee along with the A and B pedal for a lot of the C pedal work. ------------------ |
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Kenny Davis Member Posts: 779 |
posted 31 October 2000 07:30 PM
My L/R raises the top F# to A, and the 7th to a G#. I raise E's, lower E's, have a half-stop on the 2nd string (lower) and something on my 9th. Unfortunately, it's been so long since I've played, I forgot exactly what that one does. I do remember it sounding cool after I put the change on. Number 5 is my L/U, and it lowers both B's. |
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Richard Sinkler Member Posts: 2896 |
posted 31 October 2000 08:08 PM
Top F# to an A? How often do you break that dude? ------------------ |
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Jeff Lampert Member Posts: 2636 |
posted 31 October 2000 09:43 PM
quote: Probably 10 times since the post was made. |
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Dave Burton Member Posts: 213 |
posted 31 October 2000 10:43 PM
The Bob,s I agree with, and thought more of you would agree-B to Bb is a really cool change! DB |
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Dave Van Allen Member Posts: 5369 |
posted 01 November 2000 06:11 AM
I'm with Earnest Bovine on this one: G# to G this change was so important to me on E9 that I made sure it was on a pedal on my U12, and I may put it back on a lever... |
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J D Sauser Member Posts: 1240 |
posted 01 November 2000 06:17 AM
I hate to be surveyd but well, for you Bobby: Lever #4= string 5 B to Bb ------------------ |
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dlayne Member Posts: 398 |
posted 01 November 2000 07:31 AM
Raise first a whole tone,raise 2nd a half tone and lower the 6th a whole tone,this is my favorite change on my guitar. ------------------ |
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Kenny Davis Member Posts: 779 |
posted 01 November 2000 12:11 PM
Richard & Jeff: Can't recall ever breaking the F# to A change. I use an .012 though, as well as my 3rd string. Hardly ever break that one either. |
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Tim Rowley Member Posts: 957 |
posted 01 November 2000 07:56 PM
1. Lower both E's 1/2 tone and lower 9th string D 1/2 tone. 2. Raise both E's 1/2 tone with a good half-stop, then a full tone raise at least on the 4th string. 3. Raise 1st string F# a full tone to G#, lower 2nd string D# 1/2 tone to D. (Believe it or not, I have this lever on my old push-pull and it works slick as can be!) 4. Lower both G#'s 1/2 tone to G. Tim R. |
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Jim Bob Sedgwick Member Posts: 1234 |
posted 02 November 2000 08:00 PM
I have the exact same set up as Jack. It's the only way to FLY! BTW I have 5 knee levers total that are loaded to the equivalent of what should be on 7 or 8 levers. Boy are my legs getting strong. [This message was edited by Jim Bob Sedgwick on 02 November 2000 at 08:04 PM.] |
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John Russell Member Posts: 455 |
posted 02 November 2000 08:29 PM
What a great thread! For me it's the E to F# raise on string 4. I can't work without that one tho' most guys can. I used to raise the middle F# to G with that same lever, but on my latest guitar, those changes are separate. The LKV does F# to G. I just added the Bs lower lever (lowering 5 and 10) and that's a pretty neat change. Jon Light, how do you lower your Bs with pedals A and B down? John |
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Don Sulesky Member Posts: 1126 |
posted 04 November 2000 04:09 AM
Mine would be raising the E to F# on the 4th string. I use it for the Mooney licks and also in the "Look at us" intro with the A&B pedals. I don't have to jump around making sure I'm on the right pedals and you get some nice minors with it as well and i agree with the others who have this change as well. Don |
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