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Bill Tauson Member Posts: 156 |
posted 15 February 2001 09:55 PM
Gee, I have a Le Grande III, and a Harley! Both run very smooth when tuned properly. |
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Mike Weirauch Member Posts: 3528 |
posted 15 February 2001 10:41 PM
I have 2 LeGrande III's. Why? I want a guitar that can kick ass and take names and not just sit there looking pretty. I'd rather haul logs with a Mack truck than a BMW. |
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Richard Plummer Member Posts: 235 |
posted 16 February 2001 04:38 AM
This is a reply To my original post.It was not my intention to make so many people mad as I did.I certainly didnt mean it that way.I guess that I meant that is the anti detuning compensater really necessary or just an added cost that can be avoided.I have purchased a new zumsteel and wonder if I did make a mistake.Zums are certainly butter smooth on the pedal action,but I wonder if the tone suffers.Maybe if needed I can sell it in a year of so,and buy a new Emmons.It is black,8-5 with a mother of pearl stripe in the top and the botto.So again all please dont be offended and think I am bashing any ones lively hood.I was making an observation and asking a question.Thanks for all of the informative replies and please keep in mind that there may be a zum for sale before not to long.Thank you and God Bless. Richard Plummer |
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Richard Plummer Member Posts: 235 |
posted 16 February 2001 04:45 AM
I forgot to ad this to my reply.John Huey was the one that got my decision made for getting the Zum over the Emmons.He said that he got rid of them after playing Johnny cox~s zum.I hope that he made the decision because of excellent tone quality and ease of playing and not because maybe the guitar was given to him by the manufacturer for advertisement purposes |
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Danny Hullihen Member Posts: 1782 |
posted 16 February 2001 05:10 AM
Richard, I know for a fact that John Hughey's Zum Steel's were not given to him. In fact, he paid the same price for his guitars that we pay. |
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Richard Plummer Member Posts: 235 |
posted 16 February 2001 06:28 AM
Danny:Well That is some consolation to me that he paid for the guitars.He must like them.I know that some dealers will give their guitars for the advertisement benefits that it intails.Like I said in a previous,I may heve to put my Zum up for sale if the tone isnt what it should.Of course who am I to say what good tone is and what isnt?I saw him play the opry with Vince about a month ago and it sounded good to my ear.Of course some have told me that since he went to the Zum that his tone sucks. Really. Will you tell me is there really a noticable tone difference between the two guitars please? I really thought that in the hands of a great Musician like Emmons,Huey and Newmans etc that guitars sound about the same? Any thoughts? Richard |
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Fred Murphy Member Posts: 669 |
posted 16 February 2001 08:07 AM
There are a lot of great pickers out there, and I enjoy them all, but my heroes for overall listening pleasure through the years have been John Hughey and Buddy Emmmons, and they got their sound through an Emmons guitar. I decided that trying to make my guitar sound like theirs was useless, so I bought an Emmons guitar. Why not just have the real thing? If I could live long enough to reach their level of ability, which I won't even come close, then I might consider trying experimenting with other guitars. Until then, I'll just keep on dreaming. My Legrande ll far exceeds my abilities and the tone does credit to my playing, and it plays like a dream compared to guitars of 25 years ago. Also you have the greatest opportunity of all time to judge the tone for yourself. Go buy both of John Hughey's latest CDs. One was recorded with his Emmons and one was recorded with his Zum. Both are worth twice what he charges and you can judge for yourself which one has the best tone to suit your ear. [This message was edited by Fred Murphy on 16 February 2001 at 08:26 AM.] |
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rick w Member Posts: 24 |
posted 16 February 2001 08:13 AM
Hi folks, I got to tell you this: I own a Lagrande and a MSA Classic. I shipped the MSA to Bud Carter and he upgraded the guitar with GL pick-ups,x lever,pulls on the 9th and 7th strings and had the legs lowered to fit. I would not turn around for the difference.The RKL lowers the 6th on the Emmons and the 7th on the MSA;is there away to have both pulls on both guitars? That MSA will bring the news. THANKS Rick |
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Bob Hoffnar Member Posts: 4278 |
posted 16 February 2001 10:23 AM
quote: With all thing being equal there is a big difference between the tone of different steels. I know we are not supposed to talk about this sort of thing but I think that a bunch of the greats, including Hughey, had better tone when they played Emmons. Bob BTW: |
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Richard Plummer Member Posts: 235 |
posted 16 February 2001 11:05 AM
At least I have a good enough guitar that in a year if I want to sell it I could pretty much get my money out of it.  Then maybe I could try the legrande |
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Bobby Lee Sysop Posts: 14849 |
posted 16 February 2001 11:13 AM
quote:That's bizarre. I don't care what guitar he's playing, John Hughey's tone never sucks. I think someone is just jealous. Or they have an inferior motive. ------------------ |
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Jim Cohen Member Posts: 8715 |
posted 16 February 2001 12:42 PM
Personally, I think this whole conversation is demeaning and should be flushed down the cyber-toilet. |
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Tony Rankin Member Posts: 566 |
posted 16 February 2001 12:51 PM
John Hughey will sound like John Hughey no matter what he plays. Same goes with Lloyd Green, Buddy Emmons, and the other greats. There may be slight variations in their tone, from one guitar to the next, but I guarantee you that John Q. Listener won't hear the difference. Richard, if you have a Zum, you own a great guitar. Play what you like. There are a number of great guitars on the market today. |
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Moon in Alaska Member Posts: 1155 |
posted 16 February 2001 01:39 PM
If I have learned anything over the years -- It's that the brand of the guitar don't make a player great. You can prove this to yourself --- Just thinks of the greats -- and which guitar they play. There are several first rate pedal guitars being manufactured today, and all sound great if John Hughey is playing them !!! I'v never heard Paul Franklin play any other guitar Brand, but trust me, he would sound great on my Carter. What all of this is telling me is -- record yourself regularly, listen carefully to yourself, and work on TECHNIQUE -! |
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Joe Miraglia Member Posts: 771 |
posted 16 February 2001 03:24 PM
to see picture visit: http://www.madbbs.com/users/cjlmjc/steel2.htm This "log truck" is diesel powered by Cummins! Joe [This message was edited by Joe Miraglia on 16 February 2001 at 03:36 PM.] |
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Richard Plummer Member Posts: 235 |
posted 17 February 2001 05:04 AM
Bob please close and delete this topic if possible.It is better if it is never seen again for all concerned.Thank you. Richard Plummer |
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Nick Reed Member Posts: 2713 |
posted 18 February 2001 02:15 PM
I own 3 Emmons Steel guitars. (2) are P/P's and the other is a new LeGrande III. Each guitar has it's own sweet characteristics. But none of mine play like a LOG WAGON, in fact, I love the feel of all of them. And all 3 have that distinct Emmons sound. I agree with my good friend Roger Kelly, "you just can't beat the sound of an Emmons - no other Steel Guitar sounds as good". Mr. Plummer, I hope maybe someday you'll be fortunate enough to get to up-grade your Zum to a Emmons. There's just a few dollars difference in first & second class, just ask Jim Aycoth or Jack Strayhorn! Nick See my Emmons Guitars: [This message was edited by Nick Reed on 18 February 2001 at 02:21 PM.] |
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Danny Hullihen Member Posts: 1782 |
posted 18 February 2001 06:27 PM
Quote "There's just a few dollars difference in first & second class." I wish the same were true with Airline tickets! :-) |
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erik Member Posts: 1793 |
posted 19 February 2001 12:47 AM
I recently bought a CD of a group with a guitar player who always played humbuckers. This newer recording he plays only a Strat. Yet, it only sounds slightly different because the tone is in his hands. Yes, you can tell the difference between guitars but you don't care so much. I don't know how many people would say the tone of a Strat sucks. It sure doesn't sound like a mahogany guitar with humbuckers. It's interesting to know that a steeler must only play a steel that duplicates "that" sound - whatever "that" sound is. [This message was edited by erik on 19 February 2001 at 12:49 AM.] |
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Craig A Davidson Member Posts: 1722 |
posted 19 February 2001 05:36 PM
Hey Dave can we get those decals for anybrand? I got a buddy would love it.By the way I never met an Emmons I didn't like. ------------------ |
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Craig A Davidson Member Posts: 1722 |
posted 19 February 2001 05:40 PM
Oh yeah I for got. Remeber Buddy could play a log truck, and so could Hughey, and they both would sound like a million bucks. ------------------ |
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Dan Tyack Member Posts: 3552 |
posted 19 February 2001 09:14 PM
To answer this seriously, Many people who have played Emmons PP guitars for many years LOVE the feel of those instruments. The Legrande (and to some extent the JCH) have been designed to give a similar feel. To people who have played other instruments with a different feel, the LeGrande might feel like a log truck, but it's really all a matter of taste. For me personally, it took me about a day to get over the difference in feel between an Emmons PP and a Franklin, and I have never looked back. ------------------ |
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Tom Quinn Member Posts: 1152 |
posted 19 February 2001 09:39 PM
Yeah but you live in Seattle..., hey, it's a joke Dan! :-) If you play a push/pull Emmons you are cool. Everyone else is faking it. Period. By 2010, a push/pull Emmons will cost 20 large... No, I'm not saying Buddy or John are faking it because they play all-pull guitars. They have been kidnapped by aliens who transplanted a transistor amp behind their ears and they probably use digital reverb too. Give 'em a '64 Fender Twin Reverb with a tranny change and a Jibill D130, and a butterfly-tunered D-10 and they'll come back to reality like Indiana Jones did just before he almost dumped the girl into the fiery pit... which is where all of you all-pull guys are gonna end up 'les you mend your ways... This post is a joke 'cept that push/pulls are the best sounding pedal steel guitars ever made, the same as a '63 rosewood-board Tele or a '59 Les Paul... Ain't no changin' that... |
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Danny Hullihen Member Posts: 1782 |
posted 20 February 2001 04:14 AM
Good idea? Maybe we should also consider going back to living caves, burning Whale oil for lighting, and burning trees for heat and cooking? Yeah, that's the ticket! |
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Tom Quinn Member Posts: 1152 |
posted 20 February 2001 07:21 AM
Well, I went back a long time ago to a '54 Tele and a '57 Strat through a '60 4X10 Bassman. They sound WAY better than a stay-in-tune Ibanez with a Floyd (all-pull) tailpiece through a tranny POS amp... And my BTS Strat is worth at least 12 large with a line forming on the left to buy it. It's all about tone... and the lack of it in all-pull guitars. But, hey, if the sound good to you, play 'em! :-) |
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Frank Estes Member Posts: 2451 |
posted 20 February 2001 07:57 AM
Sometimes they get it right the first time. The Telecaster was Fender's first production solid body electric guitar. Emmons Guitar began with the push-pull. They are a pain in the rump to change the setup on, but oh the tone! I have played a few Legrandes and they are nice guitars, but they can't quite deliver "that tone." TQ: quote: Exactly, Tom! From one Emmons push-pull owner with butterfly Klusons to another! ------------------ |
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Dave Van Allen Member Posts: 5369 |
posted 20 February 2001 01:10 PM
If the person playing the dang guitar likes the way it feels and or sounds then the rest of us should just shut the heck up.  but everyone should play a Zumsteel with a Lawrence PU through a vintage Fender Twin with a JBL 15" speaker at least once in their life so thay'll have something to compare everything else with. [This message was edited by Dave Van Allen on 20 February 2001 at 01:13 PM.] |
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Scott Moon Member Posts: 182 |
posted 20 February 2001 06:28 PM
A-Men! Scott |
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