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Richard Plummer Member Posts: 235 |
posted 14 February 2001 01:49 AM
I dont understand why all the hoopla over the legrande 3s.They are like playing a log truck,and the tone isnt any better than a zumsteel.I have a new Zum double 8-5.Butter smooth pedal action and also cheaper in price the emmons.Besides the Zums dont have really the need for a tunable crowbar.Besides John Huey,got rid of his legrande 3s after playing the zum and hasnt looked back.He said there was really no comparison to playability between the two guitars.Wake up people and realize that Emmons is not the same as it was . |
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Gary Lee Gimble Member Posts: 932 |
posted 14 February 2001 02:19 AM
Buddy Charleton's Legrande III or log truck as you put it, is awake! To not like something is Ok but its not nice to bash someone else's livelihood. Gary Lee |
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Jim Cohen Member Posts: 8715 |
posted 14 February 2001 04:41 AM
Richard, Would you like me to alert Buddy Emmons, or do you want to tell him yourself? |
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Rick Johnson Member Posts: 727 |
posted 14 February 2001 04:56 AM
What is Buddy's role at Emmons now? Is he sill a owner or partner? Rick ------------------ |
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Skip Cole Member Posts: 1292 |
posted 14 February 2001 05:42 AM
Mr. Plummer, Zums are fine instruments, however in my opinion, you should make your flame of Emmons or any other brand an opinion also. Of course you realize our opinions are worth as much as they cost. Good luck selling your Nash 400. Skip |
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Rodney Shuffler Member Posts: 593 |
posted 14 February 2001 06:25 AM
And why would anyone wanna put this in Buy&Sell?  Rod ------------------ |
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Roger Kelly Member Posts: 1325 |
posted 14 February 2001 06:26 AM
Richie...I've never played a Log Truck before, was your's an all-pull or push-pull?  I have a LeGrande III and have not had any problems with it at all. By the way, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, no matter how Odd-Ball it may seem to others.  |
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David Mullis Member Posts: 1413 |
posted 14 February 2001 06:27 AM
I've got to admit that a Legrande III probably wouldn't be my first choice for a new guitar (mainly because I'm not in the market because I'm too happy with my Push Pull) I've played Buddy Charletons LG III and it plays/sounds great! Definitely not a log truck. My 2¢ |
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Chris Schlotzhauer Member Posts: 1217 |
posted 14 February 2001 06:49 AM
I don't have a log truck III, mine is just a plain log truck. I love the tone. Before you come on here bashing other instruments, consider this... I would hope anything shoved up my a$$ would be butter smooth too. |
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Dennis Manuel Member Posts: 409 |
posted 14 February 2001 06:49 AM
I wonder what this guy is trying to sell on the buy and sell. If it's opinions he is definitely going to starve to death. A brain transplant is a certainty. Emmons is the only steel guitar manufacturer that offers an "optional device" that gives the player zero cabinet drop and it actually works, it's not a gimmic. Bob will definitely move this post and hopefully close it. [This message was edited by Dennis Manuel on 14 February 2001 at 06:56 AM.] |
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B Cole unregistered Posts: 409 |
posted 14 February 2001 06:56 AM
Well the truth is according to Steve F any way!! Fessy is the only answer With Lawrence Pickup's that is [This message was edited by B Cole on 14 February 2001 at 06:57 AM.] |
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Steve Feldman Member Posts: 2983 |
posted 14 February 2001 07:49 AM
Awwww Geez - How'd you get me into this, Bill????? |
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Steel tryin Member Posts: 298 |
posted 14 February 2001 08:08 AM
All this brand bashing reminds me of the HARLEY DAVIDSON thing. It's all a bunch of crap. Some people need to feel special thru a Brand name. The fact is an accomplished steel guitar player depends NOT on the brand of Steel guitar. Conversely the Brand will never make a performer. |
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b0b Sysop Posts: 8084 |
posted 14 February 2001 08:38 AM
I'm moving this from "Buy & Sell" to "Pedal Steel". I don't see anything for sale here... |
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Dino unregistered Posts: 8084 |
posted 14 February 2001 10:47 AM
Pedal steels are like car makes two opposing opinons will argue until they are blue in the face and no one will change their mind. As for steels I have played 5 different ones and there are some that are more comfortable to play than others and this is even subject to personal preference. As far as craftmanship there is a big difference between makes. Out of the 5 I saw 3 were outstanding 1 was average and 1 was down right poor. One thing I noticed about this board is there never is any thing bad said about a product when asked whether good or bad. |
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Jeff Lampert Member Posts: 2636 |
posted 14 February 2001 11:29 AM
Dino, I've said that before. No one is allowed to say anything negative about any products on the Forum because everyone jumps all over them. So when someone looking to buy a guitar asks what people think of this make or that make, every response is positive. As anyone knows who studies tests, if everyone gets an "A", then the test results are meaningless. Meaning, if you know that you won't get any negative responses, how can you get any sort of a useful evaluation. On the other hand, I don't think that getting ill-informed negative opinions are much help. So in the end, the world is hopeless. [This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 14 February 2001 at 11:30 AM.] |
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Moon in Alaska Member Posts: 1155 |
posted 14 February 2001 11:58 AM
This thread could almost qualify for OFF TOPIC ! |
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Gary Lee Gimble Member Posts: 932 |
posted 14 February 2001 01:21 PM
An honest critique is usually welcome as long as specifics are laid out the length of a log truck. And of course, you should have had hands on more than just a few specimens and tell us about each test drive. And for us functioning illiterates like me, foot notes should be posted so there is no unreasonable interpretation when talking about crow bars. Finally, when you make an attempt to paraphrase someone, be sure to get their permission before posting on a public forum, if at least to get the correct spelling of their last name. Well, its back to Howell Mountain and the fine Cabernet Sauvignon bottled by Pine Ridge. Gary Lee |
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CrowBear Schmitt Member Posts: 6016 |
posted 14 February 2001 01:59 PM
Moon + Gary i'll drink to that !!! Call 1234 Musik Police  |
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Tony Rankin Member Posts: 566 |
posted 14 February 2001 02:18 PM
I have two LeGrande III's and I believe them to be fine playing and excellent sounding guitars. They are definitely not "log trucks" and, as a former Franklin owner, I certainly know what "butter smooth" means. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! |
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C Dixon Member Posts: 5912 |
posted 14 February 2001 02:32 PM
The LeGrande III fulfills a definite need in the PSG business. And that need is simply this: Some players do not like the so called "cabinet drop" affect. And a number of these players have sought and found a remedy for it in the LeGrande III. For these players, it is NO gimick and NO log truck. It simply does what is was designed to do in the words of Buddy Emmons. IT cold dead stops cabinet drop. Try as I may I was UNABLE to detect ANY difference in pedal stiffness with or without it. For those players who do not care about cabinet drop and the many players who have not a clue that it even exists, the LeGrande III is a waiste of money. Purely and simply it is. For the former group it is money well spent. "Differnent strokes for........." Carl |
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Jim Cohen Member Posts: 8715 |
posted 14 February 2001 04:02 PM
To answer Rick J's question above, no, Buddy no longer is part of the Emmons guitar business, and obviously can play any guitar he wants to. But he chooses to play two Legrande IIIs. It's his preferred guitar for his tours with the Everly's and for recording. I know I wouldn't have the cojones to refer to E's preferred guitar as a "log truck". |
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rayman unregistered Posts: 8715 |
posted 14 February 2001 06:21 PM
As usual Mr. Dixon you add the voice of rationality and maturity to our forum. Well said. |
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Tom Hodgin Member Posts: 175 |
posted 14 February 2001 07:29 PM
Richard, please allow me to take issue with your comments on the "log truck" Emmons Lagrande 111..I have never heard anyone say that they play an Emmons because of its playibility..nor its looks or anything other than the EMMONS SOUND...The EMMONS SOUND is decused on this forum every night in one manner or the other...over the years there have been very few changes to the Emmons..but whatever has been changed, has Never changed the SOUND.... there have been some mighty "BIG" steel players that have devoted their entire careers to that guitar..Players that you and I have looked up to for decades..As fore "not looking back", they will always look back, my friend.. and I hope you are my friend...Those that have been with Emmons for so long and have left for whatever reasons..Emmons Guitar would say simply, "thank you for giving us your lifetime of something the rest of us will never know, and may you find what you may seek, elsewhere........... Tom Hodgin |
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Marty Pollard Member Posts: 392 |
posted 14 February 2001 07:50 PM
quote:Perhaps the key is in the driver, hey? Gee, I love this thread! b0b, better move it again; to Humor. |
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kyle reid Member Posts: 468 |
posted 14 February 2001 08:09 PM
I find this topic to be quite amusing, due to the fact that several years ago, I asked Buddy how he liked his Emmons, and he said it plays like a truck! |
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Jim Cohen Member Posts: 8715 |
posted 14 February 2001 08:20 PM
Aaauuughhh! |
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Jody Carver Member Posts: 7455 |
posted 14 February 2001 08:33 PM
Hi Jim,,,,,what does "cajones's mean??? btw,,,,anyone know where I can buy a handle for a Fender steel guitar case??? " gotta get a handle on it,",,,Jim let me know what cojones' means Im a bit behind in this computer lingo.... |
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Steel tryin Member Posts: 298 |
posted 15 February 2001 07:12 AM
I disagree with some that feel they can't say anything negative about makes. I play a U 12 and I have advised people to stay away from Emmons 12 strings. They were not very good guitars. I would just think forumites could make MEASURED comments and not always going over the top with like "log truck" |
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Pat Burns Member Posts: 2896 |
posted 15 February 2001 07:40 AM
..Jody, that would be Spanish for "balls".. |
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Ray Jenkins Member Posts: 1986 |
posted 15 February 2001 08:06 AM
I still play my old Emmons P/P,the pedal action is like walking in a gravel pit but the sound is like that of like angles singing(too me anyway) Ray ------------------ |
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Jim Smith Member Posts: 6399 |
posted 15 February 2001 08:10 AM
Steel tryin's post is a legitimate "gripe" against Emmons 12 strings for Universals, not because they're "not very good guitars", but because all Emmons 12 strings are push pulls. Emmons doesn't make a 12 string LeGrande. While some have used a push pull for a Universal, an all pull changer is almost a necessity for a Universal tuning. |
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Glenn Austin Member Posts: 626 |
posted 15 February 2001 09:41 AM
Was that a Ford or Chevy Log Truck |
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Dave Van Allen Member Posts: 5369 |
posted 15 February 2001 09:47 AM
click here for a window decal for your "log truck"... it's the Chevy vs Ford speed shop mentality... |
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John Steele Member Posts: 2469 |
posted 15 February 2001 09:55 AM
I've never played a Legrande, but I do own an old push-pull. I just had to have one to figure out what the fuss was about. I don't take it as a slam of the guitar at all. In fact, all I have found out is that everyone (including the original poster) makes a point I can agree with. Playing one is like splitting a cord of wood underwater ... and they sound great. *shrug* It's as complicated and as simple as that. |
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Ric Epperle Member Posts: 1490 |
posted 15 February 2001 11:22 AM
Have I mentioned that I like my MSA, lately? Sorry Steve..I'm stealing your stuff |
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David Martin Member Posts: 89 |
posted 15 February 2001 03:04 PM
Richard, I bought one of John Hughey's LeGrande III's and I am here to tell you it's not a LOG TRUCK! More like a Cadillac! I'm not an expert but it plays as easy as anything I've tried. The counterforce works!! I always wanted an Emmons and I think this is the top of the line. Sounds like an EMMONS - that says it all. GET A LIFE!!!! |
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Scott Moon Member Posts: 182 |
posted 15 February 2001 03:11 PM
Dave...you knocked me out with that window decal...LMAO!!!! Scott |
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Tab Tabscott Member Posts: 146 |
posted 15 February 2001 04:18 PM
In the early 1920's, a noted classical mandolin expert from Italy said of the (then) newly invented F style Gibson mandolins ..."They are ugly lumberyards painted to look like prostitutes"... Last time I looked, 20's F-Style Gibson mandolins were fetching between $30,000-60,000... ------------------ |
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Donny Hinson Member Posts: 9192 |
posted 15 February 2001 04:37 PM
Some people never learn! It ain't what you play...it's HOW you play it! And besides....playing 1 or 2 or 3 of any model doesn't make you an expert on them. All ("LeGrand 3" included) guitars are different! I've NEVER played two that felt or sounded the same. And, even a $7,000 guitar will "feel crappy" if someone's "monkeyed" with it. |
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