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PAUL WARNIK Member Posts: 1417 |
posted 16 June 2001 08:03 AM
Reece-as I have discussed this fret distance thing with you before and also with fellow Bigsby authority Chas Smith-it is hard to believe that P.A. would miscalculate something like that-if I recall correctly Chas believes it has something to do with the guitar playing true at just intonation-Chas are you out there do explain this one??? |
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Sage Member Posts: 525 |
posted 16 June 2001 08:27 AM
Until Chas gets here I'll put in my $.02. It looks to me like he fudged it to fit the fret markers in better at that point. I don't know how the raised relief fretboard was made- was it molded or routed or ?. That might illuminate the reason. IMHO it is not likely to have anything to do with just intonation. I kind of doubt that Harry Partch made any visits to the Bigsby Shop, but you never know. If it was paralax compensated it would be consistent, just stretched out a little at the end. My guess is that it was just a simple construction expediency. You can throw tomatoes now.  |
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Sage Member Posts: 525 |
posted 17 June 2001 09:21 AM
BTW Jim, since they say the devil's in the details, put me down for 6,666. |
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knight_va Member Posts: 35 |
posted 18 June 2001 07:00 AM
Put me down for $5800 |
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chas smith Member Posts: 3168 |
posted 18 June 2001 12:42 PM
It appears that they are a compromise. If the frets were in Just, the 3rd fret would be closer to the bridge and the 4th would be closer to the nut. The 8th would be closer to the bridge and the 9th would be closer to the to nut. You can check this by picking harmonics, if the harmonic is over the fret, it is Just. Keep in mind that the Just P5 and P4 are really close to the Tempered P5 and P4, It's the 3rds and 6ths that are the most different. So here's the math you've been waiting for: [This message was edited by chas smith on 18 June 2001 at 01:00 PM.] |
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Reece Anderson Member Posts: 1371 |
posted 18 June 2001 05:06 PM
If memory serves correct, none of the fretboards on either of my Bigsby guitars were cast. If that be the case, what does this tell us? I had the privilege of meeting Paul Bigsby while visiting his shop, and I have always had the very highest regard for him and his incredible insight and ability. I honestly believe he had a reason for doing what he done, I just wish I knew what it was because this has always been a question in my mind. I never noticed the guitar playing out of tune, and I never heard a negative comment from any other Bigsby owner. So, the mystery persists. |
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Fred Martin Member Posts: 299 |
posted 18 June 2001 05:58 PM
$6000 going once. Dont think it will sell. |
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chas smith Member Posts: 3168 |
posted 18 June 2001 11:05 PM
The mystery continues, the frets on the flat graphics is consistent with the raised graphics, albeit .030 larger and that spans the years from 1948 to 1959. I'm sure there was a reason, given that he had been a machinist and a professional pattern maker. In the '30s he and Allen Crocker were hot rodding Indian Scouts (750cc) with overhead cams and valves and racing flat track (eventually where he met Merle Travis, a fellow biker). Later, he and Allan made the Crocker motorcycle, the 'American Vincent Black Shadow'. There is also a Bigsby motorcycle owned by a collector in the San Gabriel Valley. |
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Sage Member Posts: 525 |
posted 19 June 2001 06:11 AM
OK- anybody that skilled and talented must have been purposeful in that area. My opinion stands corrected. May he ride and play in peace, on the other side of the great divide. |
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Jim Smith Member Posts: 6399 |
posted 19 June 2001 07:04 AM
The auction is over and the high bid of $5,049.00 didn't meet reserve.  |
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Reece Anderson Member Posts: 1371 |
posted 19 June 2001 11:35 AM
Charles, Thank you for your very thorough and insightful response. Paul Warnick told me he would check his Bigsby's with an electronic tuner and inform us of his findings. I look forward to hearing from him. Meanwhile the mystery continues. |
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chas smith Member Posts: 3168 |
posted 19 June 2001 01:00 PM
Reece, You're more than welcome, it's good to hear from you and see your name. -Chas- |
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bob grossman Member Posts: 420 |
posted 19 June 2001 03:28 PM
Reece-o Read your post again. Don't you have it backwards? Very impertinent of me, huh? |
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Jim Cohen Member Posts: 8715 |
posted 21 June 2001 01:02 PM
Looks like Chris Bauer is the winner (somebody check my math). Chris, I'll getcha a CD when I get home from Rome (hey! that rhymes!) Email me yer address. jc ------------------ |
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Bobby Lee Sysop Posts: 14849 |
posted 22 June 2001 12:07 AM
Looks like Chris Bauer was closest with $4925. |
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Tele Member Posts: 965 |
posted 23 August 2001 12:09 PM
hey guys check under www.gbase.com, then classifieds ... Andy ------------------ |
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Donny Hinson Member Posts: 9192 |
posted 23 August 2001 03:20 PM
Nobody with enough money, huh? Well, the fact the reserve was that high makes me feel good. Using that instrument's proposed value as a guideline, I'd say my (pre-civil war) Martin guitar (which is in excellent condition) should be worth about half a million. |
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Herb Steiner Member Posts: 6119 |
posted 23 August 2001 03:41 PM
Well, going back to Econ. 101 (and that's a long way back  ) it takes two people... a buyer and a seller... to make a "market." IOW, an instrument is not worth $8500, or 1/2 mil (sorry Donny), unless TWO PEOPLE say its worth that amount, and one of them is gonna have to come up with the cash on the barrelhead, son.Somebody may in fact want the Bigsby (or Donny's old Martin) bad enough to come up with the green, but usually the big bucks are reserved for the "personality" guitars. Like Eric Clapton's Les Paul, Bill Monroe's F-5, etc. Grady Martin's Bigsby spanish guitar went for $75K to the Chinery collection, but that was a few years back. We will see, time will tell, time flies like the wind, and fruit flies like bananas. ------------------ |
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