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Bill C. Buntin Member Posts: 642 |
posted 08 October 2001 02:27 AM
I started getting more gigs after I got my Emmons D10. The prejudices that your average band and band leaders have are hard to break. I always enjoy the band leader who tells you which neck to play on! But if you really know your tunings and fretboards, you can play lots of the same stuff on either tuning. I do that just to aggravate the band leaders that suggest which neck I play on. One guy told me once, "I don't know how to play it, but I know what its' supposed to sound like." It cracked me up. All of the gigs I get, all they ever want is commercial sounding stuff, so I use your average commercial setup and play what they want. A guy told me one time, "If you want to work, you have to be a Chameleon." Its so very true down here in DFW area. Next time you're asked to kick off a Ray Price 4/4, do it on C6. Then play all of your cool C6 stuff on E9. It IS a challenge. It brings us all together as players to think "universal" no matter which set-up you use. To me, every tuning is universal if you really think about it. I used to think I had to keep up with everything every player does. I can't do that so I just stick with my tunings and learn as much as I can everytime I sit down to play. This is a fun subject. NO Bobbe you can't have my Lawrence 705's. Regards. |
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John Russell Member Posts: 455 |
posted 08 October 2001 07:30 AM
Dennis: I guess cabinet drop won't be an issue on the S1U model, eh? You can drop the whole thing on the floor, pick it up and it's still in tune.  --JR |
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Herb Steiner Member Posts: 6119 |
posted 08 October 2001 07:52 AM
I was considering an S12U a couple of years ago, until I found out that both Bill and Hillary Clinton play S12's. I decided to stay with the D10 for that reason.  ------------------ |
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Randy Pettit Member Posts: 323 |
posted 08 October 2001 08:28 AM
Clintons' S-12s: Hillary - Universal Bill - Extended |
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Dennis Detweiler Member Posts: 1700 |
posted 08 October 2001 03:28 PM
Bill is still building his legacy. If he carries an extended 12 he will certainly be a legend. |
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Jeff Lampert Member Posts: 2636 |
posted 08 October 2001 04:12 PM
quote: Not nearly as much as he would be if he had a D-10. |
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Dennis Detweiler Member Posts: 1700 |
posted 08 October 2001 07:45 PM
Here again....the advantage of two 10s... Mass and rigidity for sustain. |
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Lee Baucum Member Posts: 3201 |
posted 08 October 2001 08:10 PM
Herb - It's no wonder the Clintons preferred S-12's. I understand that Al Gore invented the S-12. ------------------ |
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Mike Perlowin Member Posts: 6731 |
posted 08 October 2001 08:17 PM
LOL guys. I have a slightly different perspective on this as I learned to play on a Universal and never owned a doubleneck ( a D-12) till very recently. Never having had a D string, I truly don;t know what I'm missing. But I do know what I have in terms of bass notes and chord voicings that include those notes. And I would not want to give it up. I have found however, that having a universal from Day one, as I ahve, is not condusive (for me at least) to learning the C6 or B6 tuning. I only recently started dabbling with the C6. I needed a seperate C6 neck to get started. In fact what I do is learn something on the C6 neck (which has the standard 5 and 1 copedant) and then figure out how ro play in on my B6, which has some of the pedals rearranged. |
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John Russell Member Posts: 455 |
posted 09 October 2001 09:14 AM
Mike: I can relate. It's wierd moving down in the tuning and running out of strings. That's what happens when I go to the Jamboree in Dallas and somebody says, "check the new Brand Z D-10 guitar." But they're cool, I may get one someday, my house is a little crowded just now. As I mentioned earlier, I love to listen to C6 players and nearly all of my "jamming" at home is with the great C6 players' recordings. So my mission is to approach that sound with 12 strings. I may fail but so what? Having played E9 for about 25 years it was an epiphany of sorts when I got my S12U about 3 years ago. I'd always "faked" C6 stuff on the E9, and now I have these cool chords and the fabulous boo-wah pedal. Then there's the E to D lower that I'm just now tapping the potential of in E9 mode. (It's crucial in the B6 mode.) So I really don't know what I'm doing, I mainly play the B6 side as a non-pedal guitar with its different voicings. For melodies I have to get creative and slide the bar around more than on the E9, but I can always go back to the E9 mode for a hot lick or two. That's what makes it worthwhile for me. Something else I may drill down on is playing the pedals with both feet. I've seen a few guys do that on D-10 guitars to good effect. From a practical standpoint, 12 strings is really too many, it was a sort of Rube Goldberg idea that actually worked. But they probably said that about 10 strings back in the '50s when it was a new idea. --JR |
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Jim Smith Member Posts: 6399 |
posted 09 October 2001 03:08 PM
quote:I played D-12's for over 30 years and never thought I had too many strings. Now I play a 13 string extended E9/Universal Fessenden and still don't think so! ------------------ |
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slick Member Posts: 560 |
posted 09 October 2001 05:13 PM
Donnie Hinson, You nailed it man,it aint how many strings or floors and knees you have,its how well you play what you have.Once upon a time long ago i was at a jam session,one picker had a D12 with many floors and knees,some had D10's with many floors and knees,one had a S10 with three and four and blew them all away.It aint what you got to play,its how you play what you got. Wayne |
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