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roger kole
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posted 13 November 2001 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for roger kole     
Is there anywhere I can find information on Rus-lers ? thanks


Jack Francis
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posted 13 November 2001 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jack Francis     
I play a RUS-LER S-10 and I also would like to Know more about these instruments.
I can give the info on mine and it may give you something.
Sometime around 1984 I got a phone call from Jeff Newman. He said that he was looking for a Tele and that he had a really nice steel that he would like to trade for it.
He said that I would like it better than the old ShoBud that I was playing. In fact he had recorded with it.
After I got it I was impressed with it and sold my ShoBud.
I moved to the Phoenix area in late '89.
After moving here I met some other artists. (I do graphics on vehicles and on t-shirts for the auto industry, see me at........) www.jackfrancist-shirts.com
I started doing some work with a guy named Butch Tucker, known as BUTCHR, he is a pinstriper that is known in custom car circles all over the country.
One day he looked at my steel and started laughing, it seems that the Rus-Ler steels were made in the 70's here in the phoenix area and that he had done the pinstriping that appears on the ones that were made here.
I just talked with him and he said that they were made for about 10 years ending about '79
by a guy named Russ Lear (or Leer) and he lost contact with him at that time.
It is odd that mine was made for Jeff went to Tenn. then to the SF bay area, to Reno and then back here to the Phoenix area.
Maybe Russ put a curse on them and they all come back here, and make thier owners endure the summers in the desert!!
I am impressed with mine, seems well made, sturdy, stays in tune, and sounds great.
Hope this info is worthwhile. I'm gonna watch this thread cuz I'd like to know more.
Jack


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posted 13 November 2001 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for B Bailey Brown     
Jack,

I think your information is basically accurate. I have only seen one in my life, and that was being played by Butch Cornwell when he first came back to Texas from Tacoma, WA. several years ago. It was a D-11 and it sounded great, even though it was very old, tired and worn out. Butch now plays a Fulawaka (sp? Hell, I will never be able to spell that name of that guitar, but it is a good one!) U-12. I believe he still has the old guitar. If I remember correctly Butch told me that he worked for Russ and made many of the parts for those guitars when he was in Phoenix. From what I know of them, which is not much, they are a fine old instrument.

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John De Maille
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posted 13 November 2001 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John De Maille     
I play a Rus-Ler S-11 guitar. I bought it new in 1978, from an independant dealer in N.J. It is the most dependable, stay in tune guitar I ever had. I would never even think of parting with it. The tone is still awesome, and the pedal action is superb. There are, unfortunately, some nicks on the top deck from 23 yrs. of service on the road playing. My wife even went as far as getting me a super heavy duty road case for it.The original one was falling apart, and not safe at all. I was led to believe that Russ used to work for Z.B.guitars and left there. But, he created a new guitar, similar to the Z.B., only with a better changer and all pull system. The end plates are very similar, except the RusLer's are much more fancier. The tuning head and changer plate follow suit. Fred Layman has taken over ownership of the Flynn Guitar Co., and he has many parts for the RusLer guitars. Harold Flynn, the previous owner, used many parts from RusLer to build his Flynn guitar.They even sounded a lot like RusLer's. Fred has his own website selling the Flynn guitar. You can contact him there if you need any parts.
I hope you all keep playing those Rus-Ler's,as I'm continuing to keep playing mine.They sound great and are as dependable as a good bird dog.
John


Bob Blair
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posted 13 November 2001 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Blair     
Norm Hamlet played one for years.


Al Marcus
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posted 13 November 2001 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Marcus     
John gave a pretty good history on the Rus-Ler. It was built by Russ Russell in Phoenix.

I lived there in the 70's and knew Russ. He did work for ZB.

When I moved back to Michigan, I had him build me a S12 with 10 foot pedals and about 7 knee levers.

It was beautiful, wood body, and he scrolled all the chrome parts, which sparkled like diamonds.

It was very close to the MSA undercarriage and pulling system, but built a little heavier.

It had a fantastic tone, Like the old Sho-Buds, but it was HEAVY.

I wished I could have kept it, but I say that for most all the guitars I had.....al

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posted 13 November 2001 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fred Layman     
I met Horace ("Russ")Russell in the late 80s when my friend Harold Flynn was negotiating with him to buy his inventory. Russ was a native of Maynardville, TN, just east of Knoxville. He had spent several years in Phoenix and worked for a time with the ZB company there after Zane Beck sold it to Bill Sims. Russ learned the trade and left ZB to begin the Rus-ler company in Phoenix about 1975 and continued production until around 1983.

He developed heart trouble and moved back to his native east Tennessee in the mid-80s, taking the Rus-sler inventory with him, but never manufactured any guitars after 1983. He was something of a self-taught engineering genius and continued to do machining work for farmers and others in his home area down to the time of his death in the early 90s.

When Harold Flynn bought the Rus-ler inventory, a contract assigned ownership and all rights to the Rus-ler company to Harold. Harold also bought out the Bos-San steel Guitar company in Richmond, Va. He had already owned the Walton Steel Guitar company which he and two friends began in the late 60s and produced guitars down to the end of the 70s. Harold had no desire to renew manufacuting the Rus-sler steel, but designed and patented a new changer mechanism, did away with all castings (except pedals), milled his own keyheads and tailpieces from solid aluminum, appropriated useful parts from the Rus-sler inventory and began manufacturing the Flynn Steel Guitar in 1989.

Following Harold's death last January, I bought the Flynn company in July, including the Rus-sler company contract and I presently own all rights to it, as well as to the Flynn company. I have a file of most all original Rus-sler owners and dates of sale on many of them. Like Harold, I have no plans nor desire to renew manufacturing the Rus-sler guitar because technology and design features have moved beyond the period in which they were manufactured, but I do have many original parts which are available for sale to Rus-sler owners as needed.

My impression of the Rus-sler steel, drawn from brochures, conversations and the parts inventory that I have are as follows. (Since I never owned a Rus-sler, owners of the guitar are in a better position to correct my perceptions where they are awry).

1. The Rus-sler was produced at a time when the technology for steel guitars -- especially changer mechanisms -- was in a period of transition. The body styles of the early models had much in common with both the ZB and Sho-Bud guitars, i.e., rounded edges on the body tops, wood inlay, beautiful cabinetry, stained and lacquered, and cast aluminum keyheads,tailpieces and endplates. This was prior to the move toward lighter weight and dimension-efficient guitars in the late 80s and most all manufacturers at the time were building very heavy guitars. A D-10 Rus-sler could weigh 90 pounds in the case.

2. The pickups followed the precedents established by Zane Beck, i.e., dual coil with two sets of magnets, one set on each side of the coils, and had an excellent tone. I have several of these coils and a large box of magnets.

3. The changer pieces I have reflect this period of transition also. The Fender 400 and 1000 and the 800 and 2000 set the standard in the 60s, as reflected in the ZB changer (with tuning nuts on the endplate) and, to a degree, the Sho-Buds during the late 60s and early 70s that employed the two cross arms on the changer lever. The transition was completed with the arrival of the MSA "scissor" type changer, which soon became the standard for all pedal steels except Emmons, which also eventually abandoned the push-pull changer in favor of the "scissor" type all-pull. The Rus-sler bell cranks were adaptations of the MSA style, only with larger brass bearings to spread the wear on them.

The collection of Rus-sler changer parts that I have is a sort of archaeological record of this transition. Some parts indicate that Russ was experimenting with (and may actually have used on some of the early Rus-lers -- owners can verify)a changer that used the two-piece changer lever and "half-moon" radiused caps that the string went over (like the ZB), but added a "scissor" type lowering finger to it. Examining it, I can't figure out how it ever worked, and it may not have and was never used. A second set of changer parts indicates that he followed the trend in the industry toward the MSA "scissor" type changer with a double lower, double-raise format. Finally, he evolved -- as did most manufacturers at the time -- to a triple raise, triple-lower changer. I have this archaeological "evidence" cataloged in different drawers in the collection.

4. The earliest Rus-sler steels were all-wood bodies. But during the early 70s, MSA reestablished a precedent set by Fender in the 60s, i.e, enclosing the guitar body in a metal frame for support against body deflection and detuning. Russ, always aware of new trends and trying to spot the wave of the future, designed extruded front panels and corners and began supporting the bodies of the Rus-slers with them. This accounted for much of the tone, sustain and negligible body deflection in the later Rus-slers.

5. In summary then, the Rus-sler steel may be described as a "period piece", reflecting the technology and trends in the steel guitar manufacturing industry during the period of the mid-70s to the mid-80s. Since then the move has been toward lighter-weight, more dimension-efficient, pedal steels with tool-and-die stamped changer parts and bell cranks which are not only effective, but also more cost-efficient, in comparison with the milling and machining necessary to produce quality guitars in an earlier period. Whether the tone of modern guitars has surpassed those of the earlier Sho-Buds, Emmonses, ZBs and Rus-slers is a matter of debate that reoccurs frequently on the pages of this Forum. I leave all this with you for what it's worth.

[This message was edited by Fred Layman on 13 November 2001 at 09:40 PM.]



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posted 14 November 2001 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bobby Lee     
Whew! As usual, I'm incredibly impressed with your response, Fred. Thanks for the history lesson!

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Al Marcus
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posted 14 November 2001 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Marcus     
Yep! Thanks Fred......al


Ray Jenkins
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posted 14 November 2001 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ray Jenkins     
I think Bud Isaacs played one,8 stringer with 2 pedals,back in the 70's maybe 80's.
Danny Snead had a bunch of them.
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John De Maille
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posted 14 November 2001 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John De Maille     
Thanks Fred, you laid out a wonderful history of the Rus-Ler steel guitars. I had forgotten some of it. Now I can finally answer people, when they asked me about my "old guitar". I was very proud when I bought it, and I'm still proud to be playing it today. I get many compliments on the sound of it, and people are still amazed at the beauty of it. Thaks again!!
John


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posted 14 November 2001 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John De Maille     
Al,
You wouldn't by any chance, know to whom you sold that 12 string to, would you? I'd love to get my hands on one.
John


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posted 14 November 2001 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Ganz     
First time I ever heard one & saw one
up close was back in the mid 70's at
the old Stage Coach Inn at the PSGA
show. It was John De Maille's, &
I always thought it was one of the
coolest lookin' (& sounding) steels I'd
seen at that time! I've still got one
of their original brochures.


Jack Francis
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posted 14 November 2001 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jack Francis     
It is great to read all of the info from everybody, and to find that I can get parts for mine. Thanx to Fred for a THOROUGH history, most interesting.
I'd love to see a picture of that old brochure that you have Jay.
Jack


Danny Stinnett
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posted 14 November 2001 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Danny Stinnett     
Hi Folks, This is interesting to me because my first lessons were from a guy named Lefty Evans, who played a Rusler. That was 15-16 years ago, but what I remember that guitar was awesome. It was a beautiful guitar and sounded wonderful. Regards Danny


Fred Layman
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posted 14 November 2001 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fred Layman     
Bud Issacs has had his Rus-ler for ca 35 years and still plays it. If you have seen him play at the St. Louis convention, he was playing it. Beautiful light blue with the wood grain showing through.


roger kole
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posted 15 November 2001 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for roger kole     
just wanted to thank everyone, I'm amazed at the response


John De Maille
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posted 15 November 2001 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John De Maille     
Roger,
Do you own a Rus-Ler steel, or are you just curious about the instrument? I was curious about your original post to begin with. They're usually aren't many posts about that particular guitar.
John


Al Marcus
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posted 15 November 2001 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Marcus     
John , I wish I knew who bought that guitar, I'd like to buy it back. It was a burgundy red , birdesye maple showing through It was just like new when I sold it. That must have been about 25 years ago. I don't believe I shipped it, so the guy must have come up to Mich. and picked it up...sorry...al

I do remember the tuning on it, E6-E9-E13, get em all with pedals.

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John De Maille
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posted 15 November 2001 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John De Maille     
Al,
It sounds like a beautiful guitar.Mine is jet black, no woodgrain showing through. I play E-9th and B-6th with the lower octave E note on the 11th string. With 5 pedals and 4 knee levers, it makes a lot of music. That is, when I play it correctly.
John


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posted 15 November 2001 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Marcus     
John- Bob Maickel tells me you play a pretty mean steel. Sounds like you got a "Lean and Mean" tuning there......al

[This message was edited by Al Marcus on 15 November 2001 at 08:44 PM.]



roger kole
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posted 16 November 2001 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for roger kole     
yea John,
I've got a d-10 blond birds eye maple, pretty much like new. I want to add a few pulls, which is one of the reasons I posted this. Your welcome to check it out, I'm around Glen Cove. One of these days I'll get some pictures on line. let me know if your giging around , I'll come down & say hi
rogerkole@hotmail.com


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posted 16 November 2001 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John De Maille     
Al,
I think Bob is telling stories again.As is, with everybody else, I'm learning more every time I play my steel. Sometimes it doesn't always come out right though.
John


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posted 16 November 2001 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John De Maille     
Roger,
I'll be going on a short vacation for a while, but, I sure would like to see the guitar in the future. It sounds beautiful.I'll E-mail you when I get back.
John


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posted 16 November 2001 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gene Jones     
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Al Marcus
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posted 17 November 2001 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Marcus     
John- I think if I scrounge around my boxes of steel stuff, I may have a picture of that Rus-ler , it is beautiful. Maybe I can get it on the Forum.....al


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posted 19 November 2001 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jack Francis     
Thought I'd bump this to give more time, cuz I'd like to see the pictures people are lookin for.
Jack


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posted 19 November 2001 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kenneth Kotsay     
JOHN DAMILLE- Back in the mid 70's was'nt Mike Ursitti playing a Rusler D-10? with, Davy Dixon & the New Breed band??????

KEN

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Al Marcus
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posted 19 November 2001 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Marcus     
I found that picture I had of my S12 Rus-ler with ten pedals and 7 knee levers. I dont know how to get it here. But I can scan it and email if anyone is interested...al


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posted 19 November 2001 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fred Layman     
Al, I have a couple of letters in my Russler files that you wrote to Russ describing the guitar you wanted. Do you remember the serial number on it? I am compiling a list of Russler serial numbers. I have many of them, but the records are incomplete. I have only shipping invoices for several guitars, with no serial number listed.

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posted 20 November 2001 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bob drawbaugh     
Fred...Great history lesson.

Al...post the picture I would love to see it.

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posted 20 November 2001 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Perlowin     
I heard somewher that Rus-ler used ball bearing roller nuts. Is this true?


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posted 20 November 2001 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Marcus     
Fred-I don't remember the serial number at all.

Bob-I can email a photo, but I am getting a storage place for pictures, and when I get the address, I'll post it The guy has got my pictures, but I will have them back in a couple of more days, maybe right after Thanksgiving.

Mike- Yes, there were roller bearings there, If I remember correctly......al

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posted 20 November 2001 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fred Layman     
Mike, my collection of Russler parts has both regular roller nuts and ball bearing roller nuts. Evidently the earlier Russlers used the standard rollers, only with a larger axle like ZB used. I'm not sure when Russ began using the ball bearing rollers. The ball bearing roller nuts are on all the Flynn Paragon models. click here I suspect that they came out of the aircraft industry in Phoenix.

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posted 23 November 2001 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John De Maille     
Al,
Please E-Mail me the picture of the guitar.My address is RuslerJD@aol.com.It would be great to see. Also, Fred, I think the serial number on mine is 0172. I don't have it in front of me at the moment to check though. I hope this helps your files.
John


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posted 23 November 2001 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John De Maille     
Ken,
Mike Ursitti did play a red D-10 RusLer back in the late 70's. Rob Stein also played a D-10 green Rusler back then. The green body was an extra one made for Norm Hamlet,but, Norm never took possession of it. Both guitars were bought from the same guy I bought mine from. They were the only one's around at the time.I don't know what happened to the guitars, sadly.
John


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posted 23 November 2001 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fred Layman     
John, please check your serial # for sure and confirm what it is for my files. I don't have the number you listed above in my files to let you know its background.


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posted 26 November 2001 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chuck Norris     
Not to change the subject, but can anyone tell me where Danny sneed is, and yes he has always played a Rusler so it must be a great steel!!!


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posted 26 November 2001 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Herb Steiner     
John De Maille... I'm an old friend of Rob Stein from when he lived in Austin, and as of 3 years ago, he still played his Rus-Ler

Chuck N. ... I talked to Danny Sneed back in September. He lives in Arizona and plays with a country singer named Pat James. I work with Pat when he occasionally comes to Texas. In fact, I'll be at the White Elephant in Fort Worth this Thursday, Friday and Saturday with Pat. But Danny won't be there. Danny's a monster steel player, by the way.

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posted 27 November 2001 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Danny Kuykendall     
My father, Norman Kuykendall, bought the first Rus-ler guitar made by Russ in about 1975. In fact, he suggested to Russ the name
"Rus-ler" because Russ had been working for ZB up until he started making his own guitars, and had planned on making a similar guitar with a few changes. I have a picture of my father playing the guitar, still with a ZB sticker on it, before the labels had been made.
I played the guitar with a Pey Vey 400 Session amp for the first time the other night-what a great sound!


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