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Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 06 March 2000 09:57 PM     profile     
Well some of you out there mat have noticed that I have a thing for Californian bands, pickers and singers.
And it would seem that no fame is too small for my interest, so my quest continues...

Whatever happened to singers like Glen Garrison, Marvin Blanton, Jack Tucker, Jim Smith, Bobby Griggs, Joanie Waco, Lloyd Emmanuel Jr, Marvin Caves, Johnny Blankenship, Wes Buchanan, Norm Forrest, Hank Ross, Tom Holbrooks, Dick Burns and Jack Reeves.

Does anyone know?

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Bobby Lee
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 06 March 2000 11:05 PM     profile     
Wow! I've lived in California for 32 years, and I've never heard of any of those folks.
David Wright
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From: Modesto .Ca USA.

posted 06 March 2000 11:53 PM     profile     
I'm with you on this one bOb, can't say I've ever heard of any these guy's either.

Jason, what years were these guy's around and what part of Ca?

Earnest Bovine
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From: Los Angeles CA USA

posted 07 March 2000 12:28 AM     profile     
Johnny Blankenship is still living in Glendora. He's not a full-time picker; in fact I think he was doing building and repair work for supermarkets last I asked. He still plays some gigs with J.B. Walker Band (with fiddler Harvey Walker.) Jay Dee Maness is usually their steel player.
Gregg Galbraith
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From: Goodlettsville,Tn.,USA

posted 07 March 2000 12:43 AM     profile     
Jason,
I'm pretty sure that Glen Garrison was killed in a car wreck years ago. He was a good singer and writer,and a permanent fixture at the Imperial Club in the Los Angeles area when Johnny Paycheck was living out there. (How about a little help here,Boomer or Herb?)
Boomer
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From: Brentwood, TN USA

posted 07 March 2000 03:24 AM     profile     
Wes Buchanan moved to Nashville in or around 1965 and went to work for Marty Robbins as his office manager. He signed to Columbia Records and had some mid-chart success there; unfortunately he passed away sometime thereafter, but I don't know exactly when. I had also heard Glen Garrison had died, but I didn't know how until now. Most of the performers mentioned in this post were contemporaries of Gib Gilbeau, Graham Parsons, Clarence White, and with the exception of Wes Buchanan helped carve out that "California Country Sound" that culminated in the popularity of such groups as "The International Submarine Band" and "The Flying Burrito Brothers". Best, Boomer
Jason Odd
Member

From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 07 March 2000 03:56 AM     profile     
Hi guys, we are mainly talking 1960's here, most of these people seem to have vanished over the years..say early 1970's onwards.

Jack Tucker used to play Cal's Corral and I think he used to be in the Long Beach area in the early 1960's.
I remember Herb Steiner mentioning that while he was Ronstadt & the Stone Poney's {1968-69},that Jack had an attitude about Herb's long hair and wouldn't let him on the bandstand.

I have seen some photo's from a Local 47 Country Music Jamboree from 1964 which included Norm Forrest, Hank Ross, Blackie Taylor & the Southlanders, Eddie Bond, Herman the Hermitt, Sammy Masters and his group {with Carl Walden on steel}, Bobby Wayne {not the dude who played with Hag}, Wynn Stewart, Fred Maddox among others.

The houseband for those who didn't have a band there was led by Hank Ross with Billy Tonnesson on steel.
Hank played with Gene Davis i the late 1950's,worked with a few bands, some his own,even worked a couple with Blackie Taylor in the mid 1960's.
I've heard he may have moved to Texas, but i don't know for sure.

Norm Forrest, well I heard that he was part of a Arco Records deal. Arco was owned by Filmways & Cinema Pictures of Hollywood Ca.
Sometime in 1967 Robert Hinkle and Wes Buchannan were working for Arco Records, they
auditioned material for a proposed television show called "Hollywood Jamboree"
its premise was to showcase new talent and songwriters.
There was a four song session

"Unbreakable Heart", Hinkle Music BMI 45-6603, Written by Ace Tipton,backed with "Brazos Quicksand" Central Songs Inc. BMI 45-6604, written by Wes Buchannan & Robert Hinkle.
Vocals by Wes Buchannan.

"Every Now And Then", Hinkle Music BMI 45-6602, Written by Norm Forrest,
backed with "I'm Beginning to lose" Hinkle Music BMI 45-6601, written by Norm Forrest.
Vocals by Norm Forrest.
the backing group included Jimmy Bryant and Jerry Wiggins.

I also seem to remember that Jay Dee Maness mentioned working with Norm in 1968 until feb '69 when he joined the Buckaroos.
So after that Norm seems to dissapear?
*Actually in my original question I mentioned Wes Buchanan, but that was a mistake, I don't really know anything about him, but I'm sure i heard he passed away in 1985.

Tom Holbrook as 'Tom Brooks' was in the '69 Palomino band, he played the North Hollywood clubs in the early 1970's, and some Vegas gigs. He was even one of the artists who recorded with Michael Nesmith's Countryside band in 1973 {nothing issued}..dunno anything after that?

Jack Reeves worked around the Palmdale scene in the late 1960's. He actually had Eric White on bass, who after he left Ronstadt's group in 1970, just before they turned into Swampwater and cut an album. I believe that Bob Warford also played lead guitar for him, just before Freddy Weller hired him away, circa '69 and Wayne Moore who had played bass with Nashville West with Clarence White, also did a stint in Jack's group around this time. Jack's biggest claim to fame was "being Glen Campbell's cousin" (I think second or some obscure thing like that!). He was quite a showman on stage, rather Elvis like. He apparently worked mainly out in the San Bernadino-Riverside area. He did have the house band at a new club that opened up
in the middle '70's called Dodge Saloon (I've been told it was located in Downey, CA-about 15 miles east of downtown LA).
After that??

Frank Arnett, a steel player who split LA in '67 told me about quite a few of the people I mentioned. but seeing he split town in '67 he kind of lostrack of most of them.

Frank used to play steel for Joanie Waco in Sacramento, who had once had Ralph Mooney as her steel player and ran off with her bands fiddle player Billy Jack Soccier?{Saucier}, who I believe did some work for Hank Thompson
in the 1950's..

Glen Garrsion also played at Millers cave in the 1960's, and hada couple of solo albums in 1967 and 1968.
Jack Tucker cut some material for Toppa Records.

Marvin Blanton used to play at Marion's Saddle Club on Sth Vermont, LA. in the 1960's

Marvin Caves was around when the Tony Booth Band played week nights at the Pal, and either the Marvin Cave Band or Garland Frady played on Sundays.

He was in the main Pal' band when Jerry inman came on board in late 1973, but was soon replaced on bass by Buck Felts..after that?

Uhh can't think anymore..will get back, thanks guys.

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Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 07 March 2000 04:18 AM     profile     
Okay I was beaten to the punch by a few of you guys, thanks Boomer, Ernest and Gregg.

Boomer, Wes with Marty Robbins?, that's cool.
Y'know he was in Vegas around 1960-61 working with Marshall Lytle who used to be in the Jodimars and Bill Haley's Comets.

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Joe Casey
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From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)

posted 07 March 2000 04:47 AM     profile     
Hey heres a few names ,Jimmy Moore,Shorty Gibbs, Jack Vaughn.1960 Jason has anyone got any information on any of these three.Del Dark?

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Jerry Hayes
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From: Virginia Beach, Va.

posted 07 March 2000 03:06 PM     profile     
Hey Jason,
I know about a few of these guys! Al Bruno told me at Scotty's in '98 that Jack Tucker had died. Johnny Blankenship was a friend of mine for a long time. He said he'd play music full time until he was 40 years old and then if he hadn't made it he'd quit. Johnny played lead guitar, harmonica, fiddle, mandolin, harmonica, piano and just about everything else. The last I'd heard of Marvin Cave someone said he'd moved to Nashville. It's true Glen Garrison was killed in a car wreck. Someone you might want to talk to also is Robert Crigger who plays piano with Jean Shepard on the Opry. He used to play on the west coast under the name of Bobby Lee and played piano and fiddle. A couple of other guitar players you might like to know about who died are Don Lee (Not a well liked guy) and Jerry Walker who could sing an Elvis song as good as anyone. Jason have you any information on these guys. I haven't heard anything about them since I left California: Monte Paul, Buddy Banks, Al Brown, Tokyo Ernie Hiraga, Jerry Raney, and Judy Lee (all drummers). How about girl singers JoAnne Rinard or Cindy Carson? When is your book coming out? I'll be first on the list for a copy.

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Have a good one! JH U-12

Herb Steiner
Member

From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX

posted 07 March 2000 05:39 PM     profile     
Jerry
Wow!! Monte Paul... hadn't thought about him in decades. We played with Jimmy Lawton and the Lawmen at the Holiday #2 in El Monte.

Speaking of drummers, I recently got a phone call from Ted Lessler, with whom I played in the Reb Allen Trio, also Garland Frady and the Outlaws. And I am in constant touch with Eddie Ponder, who also played with Jimmy Lawton, Bobbie Gentry, Byron Berline and others.

Jack Tucker is definitely dead. I hope the mortician gave him a final haircut!! Only kidding, Jack was a great part of the LA scene.

Bob Warford was a good buddy of mine who was a hell of a banjo player before Clarence got him into lead guitar... "show me the money!" Boomer may remember that Wayne Moore was the bass player when he and I worked the house band at the Jack O' Diamonds Club in Palmdale in February of 1971. Wayne had left Swampwater and sort of came with the club if any band wanted the gig there.

Boomer might also remember the 1970 rehearsal we had at Mike Murphey's house where we were prospecting gigs. Our gig at the Big Oaks Lodge in Simi Valley had run out. Murph suggested the Jack O'Diamonds, and Boomer said that Gib Guilbeau had the gig. I said no, that Gib and John (Beland) and Thad (Maxwell) had just joined Ronstadt. So we called the Jack and got the weekend house gig!! That was the start of a band called "Tex" that was popular in SoCal in 1970. In fact, Tommy Allsup produced a record for us on Metromedia that year.


Marvin Cave had a band with Danny Holderat the Pal for a short while, maybe Sundays. Danny could play standard guitar closer to a steel than any musician I have ever heard. You would literally swear there was a steel onstage. Ask Jay Dee, he'll vouch for that!

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Ken Lang
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From: Simi Valley, Ca

posted 07 March 2000 07:44 PM     profile     
It seems there are a lot of folks who lived and picked out here in the LA area and I wish I had been here then, not coming out until '74 and then not in the country scene much until about '78. Have a couple questions tho.

For Herb, do you recall about where the Big Oak Lodge was located here in Simi Valley? It's only a matter of curiousity as places change names like the weather and most places that had music even 10 years ago have fallen away or are auto parts stores etc.

For Jerry, do you know the Borkin family? Father Bill Borkin and son Bobby, who used to get up and sing now and then. He always did Truck Drivin Man and a couple songs written by Little Tyke. If so, I think we were at a party at their house one night jammin and such with Lee Bradley and some others who's names are lost in the fog.

This thread is great fun for me tho most names I don't know.
Ken
George Duncan Sypert
Member

From: Colo Spgs, Co, USA

posted 07 March 2000 08:14 PM     profile     
Jason, Norm Forest was in Colo Spgs for a short time during the early 70's. I played a show backing him up at the Broadmoor International Center when we were the opening act for a Marty Robbins Concert. I don't believe I ever saw him again after that night. A fellow by the name of Sid Ballows might have a clue on his location but I don't know where Sid is either. Sid was the promoter for the show. Owned a Western Store here and went broke shortly after or at least closed up.

George

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Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 07 March 2000 10:55 PM     profile     
Hiya guys, wow pretty cool info.

Joe Casey, I have heard of Jack Vaughn and Jimmy Moore, I'm not too sure about, i think there's a Flying Burrito Brothers '69 bootleg with a Jimmy Moore or Morse sitting in on vocals for a couple of songs.
Hey Joe I got sent an email with a 1963 clipping and picture of Bill Taggert who was a 'country comedian' outside the Pal'.
Did you know him?

Jerry, the book is coming pretty damn good, lost a lot of time though last year with the car crash, the computer virus crash and a few other things. Still kickin' and have really focused of late. I hope to have the sucker finished by the end of this year, and to hit the States to sell it off by next year at the latest.
By the way are you talking about the same Tokyo Ernie that played with Sammy Masters in the 1960's with Blackie Taylor, Cecil Bays and Al Bruno?
If so he'd been crippled in some sort of accident about 20 years ago and passed away in the first week of this year.

Herb you mentioned the Reb Allen Trio, was that Reb Allen ie. Robert Fogleman, who was an LA. Policeman who wore tailored Nudie suits, sung and played bass. Ace Tipton mentioned he lives near Knoxville TN.

Herb, did the Tex album come out, I haven't heard of that one, could it be like the first Swampwater LP {1970} and be a lost gem
of the SoCal scene?
Actually that's on CD now, so it's not so lost..
Love this post guys.

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daynawills
Member

From: Sacramento, CA

posted 07 March 2000 11:13 PM     profile     
Herb Steiner was a "long hair"? I don't believe it!!
I met Judy Lee when I lived in Whittier. I heard she worked at the Blue Bayou until she had a run in with Al Bruno's idiot partner. Didn't we all? he had a real problem with females. I almost went to work with a guy named Jimmy Vee but Idiot Al told him he wouldn't hire his group if I was in it cause he didn't want women band members.
I really liked Sammy Masters. Nice guy. I also liked his guitar player. Looks-wise, he reminded me of Charlie Rich, but I can't think of his name. Anyone remember?
DW

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Jerry Hayes
Member

From: Virginia Beach, Va.

posted 08 March 2000 04:14 AM     profile     
Herb, wasn't the Jack o' Diamonds the place where Clarence W. played when he got killed after the gig? Do you remember when he played at the Nashville West with Gib Gilbeau, & Gene Parsons? I don't remember the bass players name though. I used to go to the after hours at the Cimmeron Club (Nashville West) when Jimmy Bryant had the gig. Glad to hear you knew ol' Monte Paul, we worked the Swizzle STik in H.B. and Shire's in Stanton, and the Parrish House together. I've got some good war stories about him.
Dayna, Sammy's lead guitar player might have been Ray MaHaffey..if Carl Walden told me that Ray had passed away awhile back. I did a short stint with Sammy about 20 years ago between Foothill Club World Tours and Ray was the guitar player then. He had semi-long grey hair and was in his 40's then.

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Boomer
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From: Brentwood, TN USA

posted 08 March 2000 05:18 AM     profile     
I was playing the Jack-O-Diamonds that night in July of 73. Clarence was down the street, and I can't remember the name of the club. Herb, were you working with me that night? Best, Boomer
Jason Odd
Member

From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 08 March 2000 06:05 AM     profile     
Hi Jerry, Boomer..that night July 14, 1973. Clarence was down the street, with Eric and Roland, Gib Guilbeau had convinced Clarence to come by B.J's to sit in with him, Roland came for the ride and apparently Eric was the bass player for the house band at B.J's.
Clarence and Roland sat in with the group that night.
This was of course in Palmdale, the Jack 'O Diamonds had 'Dub Beene & the Outcasts' playing there for a short residency.
I can't think what the name of Eric White's group was, although the Dub Beene group had Bill Hullett on guitar who is now a Nashville cat.
Any of these sound familiar Boomer?

Actually the driver that hit the White brothers, {dislocating Roland's shoulder and killing Clarence} was one Yoko Ito.
Apparently somewhat of a regular at the Jack 'O' and had been kicked out that night before she attempted to drive. Well we know the rest.

Jerry, the bass player with Gib, Clarence and Gene would have been Wayne Moore. this tasty quartet on captured on the 'Nashville West' CD put out by Sierra Records. Clarence is really up front in the mix.

I've also heard that After the Pal and Corral club {late 1960's}, Gene Davis went on to work at the Nashville West in El Monte, CA with The Star Routers for several years, before he moved down to San Diego in the mid 1970's.


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Herb Steiner
Member

From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX

posted 08 March 2000 07:18 AM     profile     
Boom
Nah, I had moved to TX in June of 1972. I was working at the Holiday #2 in El Monte... my second tenure with Jimmy Lawton... when Murphey came back through LA with Livingston/Nunn/Hillis and got me to play the Whisky A Go Go gig with them. Sneaky P. filled in for me at the Holiday 2 with Lawton. After that I worked for a brief time with Garland again, then Charlie Call. Then moved to TX.

Interesting juxtaposition of band names: Jimmy Lawton and the Lawmen, Garland Frady and the Outlaws, and Charlie Call and the Call Boys (featuring the amazing Ron Still on bass!)

Jerry
The Parrish House was the sight of a brawl between Boomer and a couple of thugs who were upset that "Tex" had gotten a gig away from their buddies. I recall Boomer kicking their asses, but he probably forgot to take their names down, forgetfull that he is.

Jason
That's the Reb Allen I knew and unsuccessfully tried to love ! He had an album out on Crown (Folsom Prison Blues) with a cover photo of him in a chain gang outfit... too bad it was only a staged photo! He was kind of an jerk about paying the band what he promised them before the gig, as I recall it.

"Tex" never cut a full album, just 4 songs. I had a copy of them years ago, but God knows where it is now. The stuff wasn't very good from a steel guitar point of view, truthfully, since I really couldn't play in those days. If my memory serves me, the songs, written by Boomer and Murphey, were "Fort Worth I Love You," "Lee Roy," "West Texas Highway," and... and... ? Boomer, help me here!

Jason, do you have any information on Ron Still? There was also a wonderful guitarist and great guy named Hoss Huffman who passed away a long time ago, but was a big part of the after-hours band at the Imperial Inn in Santa Fe Springs.

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Jason Odd
Member

From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 08 March 2000 08:05 AM     profile     
Herb,
Didn't know Reb had an LP on Crown. Lotsa people had albums on Crown, like Red Rhodes, Jerry Cole, Jimmy Lloyd, Eddie Dean, Foy Willing, Harold Hensley, Steve Alaimo, Jimmy Dean, the Scottsville Squirrel Barkers, Whitey Pullen, Al Terry and Johnny Tyler, Tex Carmen, Sonny James, Kay Starr and Gerald Wiggins Trio ..and too many to list. Only the Scottville Sguirrel Barkers has been re-issued on CD.

Ron Still's name seems familiar, but can't place it. Hoss I haven't heard of. Might have to keep an eye out for him though.
Whatever happened to Jimmy Lawton?

One note, who would call their group the Call Boys now?..did this name/term have a different meaning in the early 1970's?

Regarding TEX, it's about time someone put together a comp of these artists!

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Jerry Hayes
Member

From: Virginia Beach, Va.

posted 08 March 2000 08:52 AM     profile     
Hey Jason,
Jimmy Lawton moved to Belgium years ago, sometime in the very early 70's I believe.

Herb,
I'm glad you remember Bill "Hoss" Huffman. One of the truly good guys in the music scene. I've never heard one bad word about him from anyone. I really admire Al Bruno for what he did with Hoss. Al was at the hospital almost everyday until Hoss died. He was his best friend in the world. Hoss gave Al a T-bird and when he died I think his wife took it back. The last time I saw Al he said he'd found another one just like it and bought it. I sure miss the way we all used to look out for each other. It's sure not like that anymore.

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Herb Steiner
Member

From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX

posted 08 March 2000 09:30 AM     profile     
quote:
. I sure miss the way we all used to look out for each other. It's sure not like that anymore.

You got that right, hoss.

Jason
Ron Still was a "big Injun'" (we weren't so politically correct in those days, but we knew we loved each other so it didn't friggin' matter) bass player who knew every country song ever written! Boomer introduced me to him in 1970 and we became best buddies. Ron had a laugh and a smile that could power the Anaheim Stadium, although in those days there was no Anaheim Stadium!

Ron tired of Hollywood, and since Charlie Call worked so much in Brawley CA, Ron just moved there and became secretary of the Musician's Union. I lost track of him in the mid-70's, sadly.

"The Call Boys" had the same meaning that it does today, and I think it was Charlie's idea of humor. The name was inaccurate though; when a female fan wanted sex, we never charged for our services.

Only Boomer... Boomer charged, as I recall. (Only kidding Linda!!!!! )

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Boomer
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From: Brentwood, TN USA

posted 08 March 2000 12:40 PM     profile     
I just charged people to watch Herb. Made a lot of money, cause it was only a couple of minutes each time Best, Boomer
Jason Odd
Member

From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 08 March 2000 03:52 PM     profile     
Guys, seems like everyone was bailing, Norm Forrest and Jimmy Lawton split in the early 1970's.
Al Bruno and Jay Dee tried to do the Nashville thing, Boomer did as did Peaches Price {1969}, Jim Pierce {1969}, Jackie Burnsin the mid to late 1960's, Buddy mize in '65. Dennis Payne in '76..
While Texas drew in Herb and Murph, and in the mid 1960's Curtis Leach, Vern Stoval and Janet McBride. Ralph Mooney moved there in '69 to join Wynn Stewart who'd moved there in 1968.
Phil Baugh resisted until the end of the decade, then later in the 1970's hit Nashville.
Texas is currently the home of the Booth brothers, the Cass brothers and Earl Ball.
And of course Herb, which reminds me, is your new album out yet Herb?

Oklahoma drew in Frank Arnett in '67 {now in Nashville}and Dale Bennett who split in 1970.
And the list goes on, no wonder no SoCal pickers of today know who I'm on about *sigh*

Jerry, what happened to Danny Michaels of the Rebel Playboys fame?

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Boomer
Member

From: Brentwood, TN USA

posted 08 March 2000 05:39 PM     profile     
Jason - I don't believe it is a question of "bailing out on the California Country Scene" so much as "seeing the writing on the wall". When I left LA in '74 the California Country Rock scene had just suffered some immediate blows that were followed by a series of events I'll try to explain: two of the giants of that scene - Clarence White and Graham Parsons - had both suffered fatal accidents three months apart. It was as if the heart of that whole movement had stopped pumping. Then there was a big case in California where someone had been killed by a drunk driver, and the club where the drunk driver had spent most of the evening was held partially liable. Suddenly all clubs were open to potential law suits via their patrons walking out the door. Their insurance rates went soaring, and one by one all the clubs everyone you mentioned grew up in started closing, culminating in The Palomino, probably the flagship of Country nightclubs for southern California. I guess us players were kind of like migrant farm workers, in that we had to go with the season, i.e. eastward. The California Country Scene had run its course, and the last one out (The Palomino) turned out the lights.

Herb, sad to say, Ron Still passed away about six months ago. I haven't spoken to Peggy, but I received a note in the mail confirming this. If you know Peggy's number, please call
both her and me with it. Best, Boomer

Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 09 March 2000 05:40 PM     profile     
Actually Boomer I agree with you a 100%, it's a change in climate, plus their was a record company push for softer groups, that leaned towards the Eagles..which was fine but didn't leave much room for older pickers or 'hot' players. Too country in other words.
Plus their were things like the Countryside label debacle and labels like Capitol and Elektra setting their sites on Nashville rather than SoCal talent and studios.

Bakersfield too, even with it's heyday in the 1960's it really was the end of an era, guys like Gary Paxton, who had studios and a record store went bust around 1970 and had to close the lot. Mosrite and Fender sold themselvesinto deals that went really wrong in the late 1960's, heck, Mosrite folded in '69 and around 1968 Capitol Records dumped the likes of Red Simpson and the Gosdin Brothers..how they justified that is beyond me. So yeah I dig what you're saying and I couldn't blame anyone for bailing, and when i mean bailing I meant as 'leaving' rather than deserting. I'll try to word things a little better next time *smile*

By the way Boomer, who were you playing with before you left town?

Regards from the always 'curious' Mr. Odd

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Boomer
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From: Brentwood, TN USA

posted 09 March 2000 08:34 PM     profile     
Jason - When I left in 1974, I was playing with a trio (Spider Web on drums, Jimmy Collins on bass) at a place called "The Ground Round" in Costa Mesa, CA. I was driving 140 miles/day to and from the gig and had decided since I had good contacts in Nashville, TN, a move to that part of the country would be to my best interests. With the help of Gregg Galbreath by way of getting work when I arrived, it was a smooth transition.

Actually Moserite didn't fold altogether. Semie Mosely moved the operation to North Carolina where he did limited business for some time afterwards.

Gary Paxton, by his own admission, had a substance abuse problem back then which didn't help his matters in times of crisis. Best, Boomer

Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 10 March 2000 01:37 PM     profile     
Hi Boomer,
sounds like a nice little trio you had going there, but that's not 'the' Jimmy Collins who played steel for Wynn Stewart and Big Al De Noone, was he another one of these bass playing steelplayers?
I think the story with the Mosley business, was that they went into a deal and lost the Mosrite name for a little while and in '69 the factory was actually all chained off tp prevent them from trading, taking any stock or parts. I've heard stories that they snuck some stuff out, but either way Semie did keep on making them. There was Grugget Guitars as well, they were a spin off and went bust as well. Kept making guitars though, which is pretty cool in my opinion.

I got an interesting email this morning to, from John Delgatto from Sierra Records..do any of you gentlemen remember this group?

From John.

quote:
Have you ever heard of a country group from LA in 1967 called "The
Roustabouts"--they use to play the Nashville West club in El Monte, CA. (Another one of my missed opportunities, the club was standing until the early 80's but I was too stupid not to take a picture of the place!). It is of course now gone. The location is only about 5 miles from where I live.

Any ideas anyone?

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Jerry Hayes
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From: Virginia Beach, Va.

posted 11 March 2000 06:39 AM     profile     
Hey Jason,
I think it's Big Jim DeNoon instead of Al. He had a TV show in the 50's called the Hoffman Hayride I believe. I think Bobby Black played steel for him on it. Hey Boomer, I was living in Costa Mesa in '74. What street was that place located on?

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Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 11 March 2000 01:07 PM     profile     
Ahh yes, you are right again Jerry.
Big Jim..who I believe had Bobby, Jimmy Collins, etc there. I believe that Tom Bradshaw even did a very short stint on Big Jim's show the early 1950's.
Oh yeah and wehn Ferlin Husky first came out west in 1949 he was on Big Jim's show.

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Boomer
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From: Brentwood, TN USA

posted 12 March 2000 12:15 AM     profile     
Jerry - I can't remember the street the "Ground Round" was on. I just know it was 70 miles from Woodland Hills, and that was too far for me. Herb's memory is in my favor, I guess that's why I love him. As I remember I got in a fight with the boxing instructor for the YMCA when we were in the club. I was getting the worst of it when a person named Charlie broke it up. She was my girlfriend at the time; I think I'd rather gotten a country whoopin' than to suffer that humiliation.
Jason, I know Bill Hullett well; we do a lot of work together. I'd like to talk to him about that night, as, if my memory serves me correctly, I was at the Jack when Clarence suffered that fateful accident. I'll let you know after speaking to him. Best, Boomer
Boomer
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From: Brentwood, TN USA

posted 12 March 2000 09:05 AM     profile     
Question for Jason - What ever happened to the lady who hit Clarence and Roland? It seems to me she was intoxicated that night, and, as I recall was not a U.S. citizen. Let me know. Best, Boomer
Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 12 March 2000 06:56 PM     profile     
Hiya Boomer, regarding Miss Yoko Ito, I don't believe she did time, but no-one seems to know for sure.
Something like a suspended sentence.
But that might be one of those rumours.

The word is that this was a long unknown tibbit of information and when word got around to Japanese bluegrass / Clarence White fans, well they were quite distressed that a Japanese American had run down Clarence.
I really can't say for sure, but I don't think it became much of a court case, I thought that perhaps the court case where bar and club owners might be liable for drunken patrons, might have resulted from this unfortunate event. But at the time there seems to have been next to no real coverage. I think in local papers, Clarence was mentioned as any other citizen, and no mention of his musical career.
Bluegrass Unlimited did a '73 one page tribute, mainly with a big photo of Clarence, but having said that most bluegrass fans would have thought that Clarence had retired or something, given the little crossover between contemporary country music fans and bluegrass fans.

His last project the Muleskinner LP may have changed all this, had he lived and been around to promote the album, as Warners sat on it until '74...let it sink into obscurity and delete it!
Thanks to John Delgatto for bringing it back, it's a really good album.

Interesting Boomer, I've been trying to track down Bill via email, but do you still keep in contact with Ethan Reilly?
Ethan played on “Judy Mae”, and well you know him, I don't need to go on.
We've been exchanging emails about the Pal' bands etc and he mentioned you. If you don't want an email I can pass it on, off forum if you email me.

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I used to play ocassionally with Boomer. He had a Telecaster with six palm pedals and played and sang quite nicely.

That sez it all really. Although I would have to say that in a couple of country bars I could have done with anyone to have saved me. There's really nothing more humiliating than walking around trying to hold your split chin together while the guy that did it is bragging to his buddies two feet away!

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Boomer
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From: Brentwood, TN USA

posted 12 March 2000 09:00 PM     profile     
Amen to that, brother. But you should'a seen what my face did to his knuckles! Just ask my girlfriend as she kept him off of me Best, Boomer
Jason Odd
Member

From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 13 March 2000 05:53 AM     profile     
Ah yes, knuckles tend to bruise and the skin gets rough, or so I hear...

Boomer, your track 'Judy Mae' can be found on Rhino’s “Super Hits of the Seventies - Have a Nice Day, Volume 20”...do you have any of your other stuff that's out on CD, old or new?

By the way, that girlfriend, was she a keeper?


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Boomer
Member

From: Brentwood, TN USA

posted 14 March 2000 05:33 AM     profile     
Jason - Unfortunately Charlie and I parted ways. She was pretty hot stuff. I am on the new CD out of Nashville entitled Nashville Guitars, wherein Louie Shelton produced eleven different guitarists on instrumentals each had written for a compilation album on Nuance Records. My cut is entitled "Fender Bender". It can be ordered at www.the-record-store.com/nuancerecords.htm. I also recorded with a retro sounding band a la the era we've been talking about (late sixties California country rock) called Mr. Hyde. No label for it as yet. Best, Boomer
Jason Odd
Member

From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 14 March 2000 06:03 AM     profile     
I'm onto it Boomer, keep us informed when Mr. Hyde get a deal, it'll be great!

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