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Doyle Weigold
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From: CColumbia City, IN, USA

posted 26 May 2004 07:36 PM     profile     
Guess I'm just too old and too set in my ways. That first song (montgomery gentry)was about as far away from Country Music as anything I've heard, in my opinion. I guess Haggard, Jones, and Paycheck ruined me years ago. I did leave it on long enough to hear Allen Jackson He's one of the few that I consider Country anymore. Well I'll quit complainin' and get me a cold beverage,.maybe I can get thru the next 2 hours
Gary Watkins
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From: 10577 Forest Hill Dr., Glade Spring, VA. 24340

posted 26 May 2004 07:41 PM     profile     
I agree 100% By the way, bring me a cold beverage too, make it an adult beverage!

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Ben Elder
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From: La Crescenta, California, USA

posted 27 May 2004 12:59 AM     profile     
I work at CBS Television City (right now as I write this) and (having no idea at the time who those leadoff perps were) couldn't watch another minute. Because here at CBS (which incorporates UPN) we're recording tomorrow night's "Smackdown" broadcast via satellite, I couldn't help but think of a new genre name for whatever that bit of musical terrorism was: Worldwide Wock 'n' Woll. (Why worry with turnarounds and turns of phrase when you can body-slam a song?)

I think the concerned among us should sue Nashville for the rights to the term "Country Music." They're certainly not doing much that involves it. (Apologies to Brad Paisley and the vast minority who still are, God love ya.)

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Jerry Hayes
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From: Virginia Beach, Va.

posted 27 May 2004 04:22 AM     profile     
I think this show was an example of why lip synching is good sometimes. What a terrible mix. When Alan Jackson did remember when the steel sounded like it was coming through the rhythm guitar mike or somewhere else cause it sure wasn't "out front" like it should have been. Do they actually pay these people to do sound for that show? Kenny Chesney I guess couldn't read the words in the teleprompter cause he sure messed up "Stay All Night". What self respecting hillbilly doesn't know those lyrics by heart. I was glad to see Randy Travis get his award as I thought it was deserved. Rascal Flatts totally sucked in their "acoustic" performance as did a couple of the other acts. What in the hell is this show doing in Vegas anyway? When it was first started in the 60's in Los Angeles I was a member and as I recall it was started to honor West Coast artists and not be a Nashville awards show clone which is all it's turned out to be. But I guess the ol' almighty dollar rules everything....Later dudes & dudettes..........JH

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Stephen Gambrell
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From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 27 May 2004 05:34 AM     profile     
AND JUST WHAT IS A "BIG AND RICH?" Sorry to hijack this thread, but that was just a stupid performance. It wasn't music, it wasn't----Bill Monroe said it best,"That there ain't no part of nothing."
retcop88
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posted 27 May 2004 07:14 AM           
I totally agree with all but especially with Jerry. I love all types of music and respect rock and roll because it claims to be nothing but what it is. Country music called shows as was last nights was a total insult to it's namesake.I wonder what Ray Price was thinking as he sat and listened to all the no talent amatuer kareoke level singing last night.I guess the new age type so called Country music does not require talent as did the Country Music of the past. As far as the Remember when steel solo I could barely hear it.No discredit to Alans Steeler.What I heard was close to the way Lloyd Green did it But close I believe is all anyone can do to anything L G does.

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kyle reid
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From: Butte,Mt.usa

posted 27 May 2004 08:54 AM     profile     
This was a dream show for a 14yr old teenager.
Donny Hinson
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From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 27 May 2004 09:02 AM     profile     
They did have some real live musicians...that surprised me.

Thank GOD for Alan Jackson!

I could have done without all the "video crap" that was going on behind every performer. The whole friggin' show looked like a pinball machine/cum fireworks display. Does that actually impress people??? Oh, I forgot..."When you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullcrap". I just get rather depressed when every TV awards show looks like a video game.

Clearly, music was secondary to the "visual spectacle" that was proffered.

The opening number was as close to "outlaw rock" as you can get. This was to fool the dimwits that it was not a country show...it was hip...rad...far out, etc., etc., etc..

Dr. Phil and Lance Burton were about as necessary as mayonnaise on a Hershey Bar.

Reba started off with some truly tasteless jokes. (Michael Jackson jokes are about as funny as a colostomy.)

Jim Smith
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From: Plano, TX, USA

posted 27 May 2004 09:11 AM     profile     
I agree with all the above, but I did like Reba's joke about Willie Nelson's joint.
Janice Brooks
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From: Pleasant Gap Pa

posted 27 May 2004 09:15 AM     profile     
A good excuse to take a shower and do errends. My only cheers are for Derks Bentley.

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Fred Shannon
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From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas

posted 27 May 2004 09:26 AM     profile     

[This message was edited by Fred Shannon on 06 December 2004 at 01:35 AM.]

Carl West
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From: La Habra, CA, USA

posted 27 May 2004 09:33 AM     profile     
To have Ray Price stand up and aknowledge an award, that should have been presented ON CAMERA, just showed that this awards show has really hit the damn bottom !

Carl West

Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 27 May 2004 09:59 AM     profile     
I don't know why you guys watch this stuff.
I didn't.
Carl West
Member

From: La Habra, CA, USA

posted 27 May 2004 10:16 AM     profile     
Tape it, then next day fast forward through it. If ya see any steel, watch it.
Other than that, forget it !

Carl West

J J Harmon
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From: Salisbury, North Carolina, USA

posted 27 May 2004 10:48 AM     profile     
Well if you didn't tape it you didn't miss anything.
Dale Bennett
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From: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA

posted 27 May 2004 10:57 AM     profile     
Hi guys, Jerry Hayes and Carl West I agree with every thing you guys said. Jerry that was, supposed to be for the west coast pickers.And Carl, you remember the first awards dinner we had at the Red Barrel night club. They served cold cuts and such. Carl, you and I know this cause we were there. And I felt like crying the way they did Ray Price. He did and has done more for country music than anyone.I am so proud that I got to work for him 2 and a half yrs, I will always treasure that.If I remember right Carl Smith was done the same way last yr. What a shame. db
Doyle Weigold
Member

From: CColumbia City, IN, USA

posted 27 May 2004 10:58 AM     profile     
Well, it's good to see I wasn't the only one upset with it. I think "Tator" said it best of some of the new country music. It's not Country, it's bad Rock and Roll. I know this has been talked about before on the Forum and I beleive it. They should have two charts in Country Music. New Country charts and Traditonal Country charts and radio stations to honor one or the other. I guess that's another thread completly.
Dale Bennett
Member

From: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA

posted 27 May 2004 11:01 AM     profile     
Hey Donny, that music is a cross between country and rap. It's called CRAP
Jerry Overstreet
Member

From: Louisville Ky

posted 27 May 2004 11:19 AM     profile     
I was involved in a rack reconfig. and forgot about it 'til about an hour into it. I watched a little bit for about an hour then switched over to PBS and Mountain Stage for some real music. Instrumentals by Jerry Douglas, Derek Trucks, Ricky Skaggs, Leo Kottke, John Pizzarelli. Not country, except for Ricky, but at least you knew what to expect.
I got my fix, but I'm still lamenting Country's fence straddlin' willy nilly attitude. I fail to see what Hollywierd entertainer types have in common with Country Music. I fear Country Music's lack of definition will be detrimental to the style and the industry in general. JMHO.
An industry that only has time for one of it's most prominent figures to stand up for 5 secs. is surely only hurting itself. If it hadn't been for Ray Price's contribution for the last 40+ years, some of these young-un's might not be singing today.
Yeah, I guess I'm just old and out of touch too.
Tony Palmer
Member

From: Lincoln, RI USA

posted 27 May 2004 11:19 AM     profile     
Hey, the music is the music...we're not gonna change that....but as far as awards go, how many times can Brooks and Dunn win vocal duo of the year?
I agree Reba's jokes were in poor taste, but she sure was looking pretty good.....
Tim Whitlock
Member

From: Arvada, CO, USA

posted 27 May 2004 11:54 AM     profile     
I tune in for about five minutes every couple of years, just to see if the trend to stamp out any trace of country, in country music, has begun to turn. It just seems to get worse and worse. I was ready to hurl after two minutes. I have no words equal to the utter disgust I feel over the abject mis-use of the words "country music".
Ernie Renn
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From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA

posted 27 May 2004 12:47 PM     profile     
I guess this means the ACM awards were on last night...

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Sonny Priddy
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From: Elizabethtown, Kentucky, USA

posted 27 May 2004 01:10 PM     profile     
I Also Told My Wife Last Night Wonder What Ray Price Think's Of All This Mess. SONNY.

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Hook Moore
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From: South Charleston,West Virginia

posted 27 May 2004 01:44 PM     profile     
I didn`t know they still did that show, bet I missed the last 8 or 10 years of it then.
Hook

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Jim Hankins
Member

From: Yuba City, California, USA

posted 27 May 2004 01:54 PM     profile     
I agree what little I saw was disheartening, though I have a soft spot for the gorgeous Sara Evans. (I happened to catch her performance, then I immediately turned it off)
Joe Miraglia
Member

From: Panama, New York USA

posted 27 May 2004 02:01 PM     profile     
For openers, Montgomery Gentry were bad-no talent-never had any. Rascal Flats-when they perform you won't find a skunk within a hundred miles. Other than the ones mentioned above, the rest weren't that bad. The problem lies with the song selection. I don't know if they were allowed to select their own songs or Mr. Clark picked their material. As far as Alan Jackson, his presentation was perfect as always. If I had to pick a song for Kenny C. I would have chosen his latest "She's Got It All"-great steel solo; Toby Keith "I Love This Bar"; Brad Paisley "Celebrity". Loretta Lynn really needed a band to stay on key--"Coal Miners Daughter" would have been better. Why not Vince Gill singing "Look At Us"? Last but not least, Ray Price "The Nite Life" with Buddy Emmons on steel. Same people but a different producer for the show WOULD have made a world of difference. Joe
Bobby Lee
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 27 May 2004 02:22 PM     profile     
The demographic for this music is 18 to 35 year old women. How many people here are in that category?

Yes, they've hijaaked the "country" name, because that's what 18 to 35 year old women like to think they listen to. Get over it, guys. What we like is now called "classic country". It doesn't have TV award shows in Las Vegas or top 40 radio stations, but it's not too hard to find if you look for it.

I caught about 4 minutes of the show, in 1 minute segments. There was an Australian guy with an open shirt who was really bad. There was a "redneck woman" in jeans and a t-shirt who was really bad. There was Reba tring to look 20 years younger than she is. There was Kid Rock with a cigar prop acting goofy. After that, I didn't bother checking that channel anymore.

Maybe if they had broadcast in HD-TV, it would have at least held my attention. A bad show in low res video with bad audio mixes isn't gonna hold me these days, unless the music is really great. That music isn't.

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C Dixon
Member

From: Duluth, GA USA

posted 27 May 2004 02:34 PM     profile     
Well if you want to know what happened to "Country Music", you should have tuned in to the "American Idol" show.

You had two young girls (along with a myriad of youngsters and so-called adults) screaming, hollering and yelling their songs out (they called it singing) to a full house screaming and yelling (they called it applause) and three judges trying to prove to anyone, including themselves and the viewing audience, that these two screamers were the greatest singers ever in the history of man.

Until the 50's, adults overlooked kidstuff and called it what it was and relied on the tried and proven true feeling, "they will grow out of it if no one pays any attention to them".

Then with the help of Dr Spock and other intellectual idiots, they started to indulge ther kids, deify their kids and make them into little gods. So they indulged every want and fantasy those little hellions even hinted at.

And if that was not enough, the adults started to accept and even mimic the immature adolescent nonsense of their kids.

Sadly today, those little "gods" have grown up and they have NEVER known or heard a single note of music in their lives; that was not played 80 DB too loud; or screamed from the tops of some so-called singer's lungs. Too them, that is the ONLY "music" they have EVER known. Anything else is "Dentist music" and that INCLUDES Country Music, sadly.

So music of ANY genre' is now a hodgepodge of homogonized screamers (they call themselves singers) and dazzlers regardless of what it is called. It is all the same. You can tune into any radio station in Atlanta and you will hear the exact same screamers and yellers called singers. Doesn't matter what station you tune to.

The same goes I imagine from coast to coast. Same goes for the DJ's. They do NOT know the meaning of speaking anymore. There is only one level and that is in the extreme righthand side of that red area on their audio level meters.

Same goes for TV. It does not matter whether it is in the program or the commercial, the louder it is and the screechier they scream, the raunchier they look, the more immoral and indecent they act or dance (if one can call it dancing) it is called music and everyone loves and accepts it apparently. Well almost everyone...

And so it goes...

Dear friends, there is an old saying, "you are what you eat" I will coin a new one for today's music, "music is whatever the masses listen to!"

May Jesus have mercy on our souls for what man has wrought; and worse, permitted in their offsprings. Some of us predicted what is happening today, the day we first heard (and worse), saw Elvis. And he was a sunday school choir boy in comparison to what is happening today.

And they call it music. Yeah right. I believe that if Ray Price was 25 yrs old today, he would starve to death. Same goes for all the rest of the great singers of yesteryear that we love and admire so much.

If they don't dazzle them with blinding lights, deafening noise (they call it music) and warp speed video shots that includes ensconcing the so-called singer in a constant barrage of 360 degree paranoia (they call it panarama) and video diahreah, they are not interested in going to see it or buying it.

If a singer was to stand up there and sing a beautiful "Soft Rain" song, strumming a beautiful Martin guitar with a band that was not playing at 180DB, they would throw everything including their panties and bras(IF they were wearing any) at him. Only they would not be throwing it out of adoration; but because they would think that singer had come from another universe; and was an alien to them and what they call music.

Incidently, I did not watch the Country Music show. I am sorry I watched the AMI show. If it had not been that Diana DeGarmo lives a short distance from me I wouldn't have. And I am sorry I did. Because she proved the above beyond any shadow of a doubt. The award went to the loudest screamer.

Oh well,

carl

Lee Baucum
Member

From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) - The Final Frontier

posted 27 May 2004 03:20 PM     profile     
quote:
For openers, Montgomery Gentry were bad-no talent-never had any.

What do you mean, no talent? Have you ever seen anyone carry around and spin a microphone stand as well as he does?

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Fred Shannon
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From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas

posted 27 May 2004 04:19 PM     profile     

[This message was edited by Fred Shannon on 06 December 2004 at 01:36 AM.]

Carl West
Member

From: La Habra, CA, USA

posted 27 May 2004 05:22 PM     profile     
AMEN to all the above !

Carl West

Andy Greatrix
Member

From: Edmonton Alberta

posted 27 May 2004 05:23 PM     profile     
Allyson Krause and James Taylor didn't win anything for "How's The World Treating You" at the Country Music Awards, but they won a Grammy which is even better and proves that there is still a market for good music.

[This message was edited by Andy Greatrix on 27 May 2004 at 05:24 PM.]

[This message was edited by Andy Greatrix on 27 May 2004 at 05:30 PM.]

Doyle Weigold
Member

From: CColumbia City, IN, USA

posted 27 May 2004 06:39 PM     profile     
Yeah, I never thought I'd see the day that I outlived Country Music, but I beleive I have
Joe Casey
Member

From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)

posted 27 May 2004 08:13 PM     profile     
Montgomery Gentry, that is what represents Country Music? As Jimmy Hall said "Talent is no longer needed in todays Country music. It is also a fact that dressing up for a major show, shows the class of the acts. I only got through Monkey Gentry until I put on a movie.Seems like I made the right decision.I did see that future lengendary Country singer "Kid Rock" was there too.

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Jennings Ward
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From: Edgewater, Florida, USA

posted 27 May 2004 08:49 PM     profile     
How did that mess get out of our LOINS????????JENNINGS
James Morehead
Member

From: Durant, Oklahoma, USA

posted 27 May 2004 11:26 PM     profile     
An Awards Show??? NAW, It was a pre-funeral party for Real Country Music as we once knew it. I shut off my TV before the mikestand twirlers got through with their first verse. I won't support them by watching such a sorry show, that insults the intelligence of our country legends and their audience, which I am proud to be part of! "Mr. DJ, Won't you please play, A REAL COUNTRY SONG!!!" (Dale Watson 3:12)
Theresa Galbraith
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From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

posted 28 May 2004 05:14 AM     profile     
pix1
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From: WESCOSVILLE,PA,U.S.A.

posted 28 May 2004 05:39 AM     profile     
I prefer to listen to what's being referred to as "Alternative Country" Or "Alt. Country". All it is is country music the way we remember it. Artists like Dale Watson, Heather Myles, Wayne Hancock, The Derailers, Bill Kirchen, Robbie Fulks, Dallas Wayne, The Derailers, BR549 etc. ... are trying their best to keep the tradition alive. It must be pretty tough to do when they're getting no support from the industry whatsoever!

Ironic isn't it? We have to listen to something called "Alt. Country" in order to hear what we use to call "Country Music", because "Rock Music" decided to change their name to "Country Music". Geeez! I's starting to sound like a bad Dr Seuss story!

Robbie Bossert

pix1
Member

From: WESCOSVILLE,PA,U.S.A.

posted 28 May 2004 05:44 AM     profile     
Also, It would have been nice AND respectful to see Ray Price receive his award. But, the CMA, "Country Music Assassins" didn't see fit to televise that event.

Robbie Bossert

Theresa Galbraith
Member

From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

posted 28 May 2004 07:11 AM     profile     
It was the ACM, not CMA awards.

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