[This message was edited by Andy Volk on 22 April 2006 at 07:00 PM.]

Interesting to compare this next the the McLaughlin piece. What a difference.

I find I have to self censor myself more and more on this forum. Post edited.

[This message was edited by Bill McCloskey on 22 April 2006 at 09:48 PM.]

It's hard enough to know what people mean when they're talking, but even harder when they are writing.

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most of us should follow your lead !

This is brilliant...but typical Joe Pass..
Every great guitar player ..post Joe Pass , comments on what an infleence this man has been..and still is...

and yes we do not have to choose....

all we have to do is choose to LISTEN or NOT...

I have a Joe Pass Guitar lesson VHS from perhpas the 80's I have only gone thru the first 15 or 20 minutes...I have used that study for over 20 years now..

1,6,2,5 relationships..and substitutions...

maybe I should watch another 20 minutes !

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 23 April 2006 at 04:57 AM.]

Thanks for the attempt at making my remarks palitable to the group Darryl, but not that is not what I meant.

What I meant was, what a difference between listening to a guitarist who is basically a brilliant fusion guitarist and comes out of a rock and roll and blues tradition trying to play jazz side by side next to someone who comes out of Jazz tradition playing Jazz.

Playing fast licks is not what Jazz is about. Joe Pass demonstrated what Jazz is about. Mclaughlin did not (do I need to add the redundant IMHO to each of these statements?).

This is not to take away from McLaughlin (who I'm happy to listen to on his own turf), but playing on Miles's post-second quintet recordings does not make him a jazz guitarist any more than playing with Herbie Hancock makes Christina Aguilera a jazz singer.

My self editing comes because it seems to upset people on this forum when people express a strong opinion. Believe it or not, I'm making a strong attempt not to rock the boat and give people agita. So more and more I post what I think, and then either delete it or dumb it down.

Isn't there a wash out somewhere in there ?

Poor JM..he had no clue what he was gettin' into when he did that Miles gig with GB...

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 23 April 2006 at 09:41 AM.]

Joe Pass is another of my all-time jazz favorites. Along with Django, Wes Montgomery, Howard Roberts, Barney Kessell, Tal Farlow, Herb Ellis, Mundell Lowe, George Benson, and even our now "infamous" John McLaughlin and too many others to list. Wonder what would happen if we posted a link to some Alan Holdsworth, whose playing I also love?.....

I'd hate to try and pick an absolute favorite because with me they're all great, just different. I also love B.B. King, Andres Segovia, Chet Atkins, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Robben Ford, and countless others and consider them all as equals in their own rights though their styles are different.

Thanks for posting this clip of one of the greats.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 23 April 2006 at 04:58 PM.]

Hmm...I'd say it's more like Ben and Jerry's versus Tofuti.

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Dave, you just meant that you don't have to choose between the two, right?

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Partly. To me, these are two of the world's finest guitar players - in their own right.

But in part, this also goes back to the "McLaughlin vs Benson" thread, where I made the point that, IMO, these types of players are out of hugely different traditions, and really not comparable. So if they're not comparable, why compare them?

Of course, everybody on this forum is welcome to respectfully offer any opinion they want. I never questioned anybodys "right" to state their opinion - even a very strong opinion. But that "right" also applies to me - I should be entirely free to respectfully question something, which I did. I meant no insult, but I stand by my comment.

I'll definitely agree with you that JM ain't jazz. When you look at all he's done from fusion to Carlos Santana to that acoustic trio etc., I don't know how to describe him.

Sometimes I like to hear different kinds of music mixed, but other times not--I don't like classical on folk instruments. And I can't listen to rap no matter what.

Anyway, it's always interesting to see who likes what and why. For example, I'm stunned that bOb likes the Grateful Dead. I can't imagine why he does, so I figure I must be missing something. Do you tend to prefer bop and cool? I like a lot of different music and instruments, but as a result I don't know any one thing well, and I can't play any instrument well.

Don't worry about being salty. Nobody here has to take you home to be approved by their parents. Nothing wrong with being opinionated. And anyway, you're not insulting.

[This message was edited by Darryl Hattenhauer on 23 April 2006 at 09:53 PM.]

Thanks for posting this, Andy.

There is a difference of opinion on that.

I'm kidding, I'm kidding....

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A good friend of mine has one, I just traded him out of it, should be here in a couple weeks.

It seems the JP model Epiphone has become known as one of the best inexpensive jazz boxes.... even jazz legend Mundell Lowe is using one quite often, despite having an impressive stable of great jazz guitars, he is pictured playing his sunburst JP model on his website here.

I've never seen Joe play the Epi, I'm not up on when they named it the JP and not even sure he was still alive at the time, I would hope he was...anyone else know? He did use the short-lived Ibanez Joe Pass model for one of his Hot Licks tapes. Right in the middle of the video, he's playing something and then says, "hey, it has 24 frets, I didn't know that...!"

Of course with Joe playing it, anything's going to sound great.

Here's a photo of a blonde Epiphone Joe Pass model (Emperor II), with the sig removed from the pickguard as usual, in fact this is the very one that's on the way to me now...

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 25 April 2006 at 04:09 PM.]

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Riva Ridge Recording