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Joseph Meditz
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From: San Diego, California USA

posted 20 July 2006 10:48 PM     profile     
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drk4g7Y350E&search=bob%20wills

This is perfection!

Joe

Billy Wilson
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From: El Cerrito, California, USA

posted 21 July 2006 01:44 AM     profile     
No hats!
Jack Francis
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From: Mesa, Arizona, USA

posted 21 July 2006 03:53 AM     profile     
Nice to see the steel featured like that...I wonder if the singers ever wanted to slap "OL' BOB" on the top of the head, for his help, whilst they were tryin' to sing??

[This message was edited by Jack Francis on 21 July 2006 at 03:53 AM.]

Herb Steiner
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From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX

posted 21 July 2006 06:14 AM     profile     
Les Anderson on steel, for those interested in such things.

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Archie Nicol
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From: Ayrshire, Scotland

posted 21 July 2006 06:17 AM     profile     
Nice Syrup.
Donny Hinson
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From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 21 July 2006 10:11 AM     profile     
Nice stuff, but I still can't help wondering when "the other shoe will drop". YouTube is great, but I don't know how they're paying for all that bandwidth and licensing with the few ads they have.

I'll be amazed if it stays a free service.

[This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 21 July 2006 at 10:12 AM.]

Mark Durante
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From: Illinois

posted 21 July 2006 05:37 PM     profile     
Anyone know for sure what guitar he plays on the clip? It looks like it might be a Rickenbacker or National maybe but whatever it is it's about the earliest triple neck I've seen, the clip is from about 1944-5?
Rick McDuffie
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From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA

posted 21 July 2006 07:10 PM     profile     
That little soprano thing Bob does with his voice weirds me out.
Chris LeDrew
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From: Newfoundland, Canada

posted 21 July 2006 08:32 PM     profile     
I'm so glad you brought it up first, Rick. Ha-ha.... you took the words right out of my keyboard. I was waiting patiently for someone to bring it up. He actually scared me a bit when I watched it. But then it's funny too, at the same time. Just overall weirdness, I guess. Too funny.......but the band is awesome, and he did write that amazing classic song.
Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 22 July 2006 12:15 AM     profile     
I agree. That chirping doesn’t bother me too much on the recordings, but to see him doing that on video is bizarre and really annoying! It detracts from the music. It actually looks like he’s harassing his own singers and trying to hog the spotlight from them. And they don’t look too happy about it! But …he was #1 in western swing, wrote great tunes, and sold a lot of records, so who am I to criticize?

[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 22 July 2006 at 12:25 AM.]

Richard Bass
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From: Hendersonville, Tn

posted 22 July 2006 12:18 AM     profile     
Ditto Doug.
Richard
Alvin Blaine
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From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA

posted 22 July 2006 05:13 AM     profile     
quote:
I agree. That chirping doesn’t bother me too much on the recordings, but to see him doing that on video is bizarre and really annoying! It detracts from the music. It actually looks like he’s harassing his own singers and trying to hog the spotlight from them. And they don’t look too happy about it! But …he was #1 in western swing, wrote great tunes, and sold a lot of records, so who am I to criticize?

I don't think Bob Wills actually wrote any songs (I believe the trumpet player wrote the words to "New San Antonio Rose" and Leon McAuliffe has co-credits on the instrumental song "San Antonio Rose"), he didn't play fiddle very well and he didn't sing.
Other than knowing how to find great musicians, singers, and songwriters, the only thing he had was the "chirping".

[This message was edited by Alvin Blaine on 22 July 2006 at 05:35 AM.]

Bryan Bradfield
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From: Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada.

posted 22 July 2006 08:54 AM     profile     
Les Anderson was with Bob Wills from 1942 until 1946. Then, in 1946, he had his own band, Les 'Carrot Top' Anderson & the Melody Wranglers. Photos from both bands show him playing the same guitar as in the video.

In the Western Swing Newsletter #16 of January 1991, Les indicated that he recalled playing a triple neck Rickenbacker during that time period.

Alvin Blaine brought up co-credits. In about 1945, I believe that Bob Wills recorded Les Anderson's "This Is Southland" with Les on steel. Bob took co-writing credit. Les re-recorded the song in 1947/8, and it was credited to Wills/Anderson. I met Les' widow awhile ago, and she expressed "some dissatisfaction" concerning Bob Will's cowriting credit. This event took place long before Les' marriage to Betty, so it would appear that Les himself discussed and resented that co-credit business for some time.

Mark Durante
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From: Illinois

posted 22 July 2006 04:18 PM     profile     
Thanks for this info Bryan, so, has anyone seen an earlier tripleneck steel than that one?
Alan Rudd
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From: Franklin, Tennessee, USA

posted 22 July 2006 04:56 PM     profile     
Great! Which brings me back to that age-old question, What makes Bob holler?!
Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 22 July 2006 06:51 PM     profile     
Here’s what some music review sites say about this yelping and hollering:

Amazon.com:

Bob Will's shouting and hollering is part of the act. As has been said it comes out of the old minstrel shows, but also is much like what you would have heard from a lot of the black jazz men of the 1920s especially Louis Armstrong. It gave a special push to his soloists.

Answers.com:

The only possible complaint one might have against the king of Western swing is his -- dare one say it? -- irritating habit of shouting out, "Sing it Tommy!," among other things, in the middle of a song. Perhaps such outbursts were exciting when the group played live, but on record they're mostly interruptions.


ideologicalputty.blogspot.com:

…the King of Western Swing is Bob Wills, and he has the horribly annoying habit of talking over every song. After the singer sings a line Bob Wills says something. And then he makes some yelping noises and then he insults the singer some more. Apparently this is seen as a positive thing by true fans… but it got on my nerves.

Al Johnson
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From: Sturgeon Bay, WI USA

posted 22 July 2006 07:31 PM     profile     
well, Bob Wills did sing solos on many records one of my favorites is Goodnight Little Sweetheart Goodnight beautiful song well sung and written by Bob Wills. Bob didn't have to play great fiddle when he had guys like Joe Holly, and many other fine musicians. al
Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 22 July 2006 09:29 PM     profile     
True, a great bandleader surrounds himself with great musicians… like Leon McAuliffe, Herb Remington, Tiny Moore, Noel Boggs, Eldon Shamblin, and others. Bob Wills was certainly a great bandleader/entertainer.

[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 22 July 2006 at 09:31 PM.]

CHIP FOSSA
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From: Monson, MA 01057 U.S.A.

posted 23 July 2006 12:04 AM     profile     
Just a great photo, Doug.

Look at those cats.

Nothing today - no band, no group, no choir, no upstart wannabes comes close to that group.

That pic says it all: We are The Teaxas Playboys, and we're here to play; fer ya.

I'll bet that bus, too, was no Silver Eagle.
ie. NO A/C, whilest touring the south and midwest in August. And ties, no less.

You gotta hand it to those dudes.

Alvin Blaine
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From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA

posted 23 July 2006 12:38 AM     profile     
quote:
King of Western Swing is Bob Wills

I don't know why every time I see this, in a book or on liner notes, it just really bothers me.
SPADE COOLLEY was (and still is) THE KING OF WESTERN SWING!!! That was his moniker throughout his life, he came up with the name Western Swing, he was the King Of Western Swing.

quote:
I'll bet that bus, too, was no Silver Eagle.
ie. NO A/C, whilest touring the south and midwest in August. And ties, no less.

That was the bus they used in the mid '40s, when they were in California. I would say about 95% of the traveling in that bus was just from Fresno to Santa Monica. I think they only did one big tour outside of CA, between '42 and '47. That was the time they went and played on the Grand Ol' Opry in Dec, of '44.
The Texas Playboys pretty much stayed in California, they had some very well paying gig's out there in the '40s and didn't need to go anywhere else.

Billy Wilson
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From: El Cerrito, California, USA

posted 23 July 2006 12:54 AM     profile     
One thing I noticed is that once you get up to the MGM recordings in the late forties the "ah ha" effect seems to double in frequency. Maybe the suits were gettin to him.
Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 23 July 2006 09:37 AM     profile     
Spade Cooley supposedly coined the term “Western Swing”, and he was hugely popular on the west coast in the 1940s. He called himself the King of Western Swing, and there was a Warner Bros. short film called Spade Cooley, King of Western Swing.

Unfortunately today he is pretty much forgotten. Most musicians never heard of him, yet most have heard of Bob Wills and have heard Bob Wills songs. Most people who know the name “Spade Cooley” today know him as “the bandleader who murdered his wife” and got life in prison for it. Sad but true.

Spade Cooley - The King of Western Swing

Mark Durante
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From: Illinois

posted 23 July 2006 10:33 AM     profile     
You guys dissing Bob Wills just don't get it
Randy Mason
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From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA

posted 23 July 2006 11:02 AM     profile     
I'M WITH YOU MARK!
Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 23 July 2006 11:13 AM     profile     
We all love the music... but seeing Wills on that video... errrrr, annoying! His prancing around and cackling reminds me of Pee Wee Herman or Tiny Tim. And he gets right into the face of his singers. It's not very appealing to watch.

[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 23 July 2006 at 11:41 AM.]

Chris LeDrew
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From: Newfoundland, Canada

posted 23 July 2006 01:25 PM     profile     
We did a gig last night, and during the swing tunes we were all doing it into the mic.........."ahhhhh!" It was a great laugh.
Jussi Huhtakangas
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From: Helsinki, Finland

posted 23 July 2006 02:02 PM     profile     
That bus, along with all the memorabilia in it ( boots, hats , posters, etc ) was for sale on ebay awhile ago. Dunno if it ever sold...
Al Johnson
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From: Sturgeon Bay, WI USA

posted 23 July 2006 02:53 PM     profile     
I certainly agree with Mark and Randy about Bob Wills. I feel sorry for the people that don't understand or enjoy Bob and all his great Texas Playboys. Merle Haggard learned to play the fiddle and was there on the last Recording session of Bob Wills. We should all know what Merle thinks of Bob Wills. Bob Wills was the greatest bandleader right along with Spade Cooley. Both of whom had very bad drinking problems. I am now 72 and still play their music on tapes and cds. Oh well I can't handle so called Country Music these days. Guess they lost me about the mid '60s. Al Excet for AATW They do a fine job of carrying on Texas tradition.
Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 23 July 2006 05:32 PM     profile     
I wonder how many people know that Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys are in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
Ian Finlay
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From: Kenton, UK

posted 24 July 2006 04:01 AM     profile     

That isn't the best recording of Bob at all. I've watched and listened to as much of him as I can, and have never found his off-mic shouts annoying. That's Bob, and if you don't like it that's up to you. He was well known to be genuinely excited by his music and to be a very magnetic personality. The singers were as much sidemen as the musicians, which is the way it should be (BIG )

Ian

Alvin Blaine
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From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA

posted 24 July 2006 04:55 AM     profile     
I hope no one thought that I was "dissing" Bob Wills, or maybe I was, since I really don't know what "dissing" means.

However, I am a BIG fan of Bob Wills music and have hundreds of recordings by the Texas Playboys. Some of my absolute all time favorite recordings, of any kind of music, are the Tiffany Transcripts with Junior Barnard on guitar.

The only thing I don't care for is how history has made "Bob Wills" the only thing people think of when someone mentions Western Swing.
There is a whole lot more to western swing then just Bob Wills, and some great stuff that is really over looked.
Thinking that Bob Wills is the only thing in western swing is like saying that Bill Monroe was the only one to play bluegrass, or that Buck Owens is the only person to do a Bakersfield honky tonk shuffle.

One thing for sure is Bob Wills, Bill Monroe, and Buck Owens all share the fact that they could find great musicians and had great bands with a distinct sound.

I still think that Tommy Duncan should be in the HOF. He had such an influence on so many singers. I actually think that Merle got more of his style from Tommy Duncan then he did from Bob Wills.

Jim Phelps
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From: just out of Mexico City

posted 24 July 2006 05:31 AM     profile     
I first heard Bob Wills on some old 78's that we had around when I was a small kid. Even then I never "got" the ah-haaa stuff, still don't really, but I always liked the music and chalked up the vocal silliness to "that's just Bob Wills".
Jim Cohen
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From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 24 July 2006 06:04 AM     profile     
Perhaps the Ah-haah's and other calls started as joyful outbursts but it appears that, after they became his trademark, he overused it to the point of ham, such as one sees in this video. Well, who am I to criticise his success? He sure went a lot further in the business that I have!
Mark Durante
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From: Illinois

posted 24 July 2006 07:20 PM     profile     
One more thing and then I'll shut my yap.
Far from being an insult, the musicians and singers considered Bob's "comments" to be very complimentary, it was his way of featuring the performer and showing how much he liked what they were doing.
And nobody has come up with an earlier triple neck steel before Les's. Was it really the first?
Billy Johnson
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From: Nashville, Tn, USA

posted 24 July 2006 08:16 PM     profile     
Did anyone else see the Les Anderson "New Panhandle Rag" video on the same page as this one? There is a female playin the solo on the steel. Wonder who that was??
Billy
Doug Beaumier
Member

From: Northampton, MA

posted 24 July 2006 08:46 PM     profile     
That was Marian Hall playing her Bigsby. It's a very good clip of her playing. Thanks to YouTube we're able to see a lot classic performances that we might otherwise never see or hear. I hope they don't shut it down.

Doug Beaumier
Member

From: Northampton, MA

posted 24 July 2006 09:09 PM     profile     
Now I’m wondering about early triple necks… Were there any pre-war triples? 1930s to early 40s. A pre-war triple would have to be… National, Rickenbacher, Gibson, Epiphone, Vega, Audiovox, Bronson, Dickerson… and I’ve never seen any. Anyone else seen any?

The Texas Playboys clip looks like post-war. It’s hard to tell what kind of a steel Les is playing, but my first impression was a Magnatone Maestro (triple)… but those were not made until 1951. Maybe this clip is early 1950s?
Triple neck Rickenbacher sounds right, and the keyhead of the guitar looks like a Rick console keyhead, but I don’t recognize the rest of the guitar. His amp looks like a Gibson, but it’s hard to tell.

Mitch Drumm
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From: santa rosa, ca

posted 24 July 2006 11:48 PM     profile     
I think that clip is from Oct 7, 1944 and is part of a 10 minute film containing several other songs.
Alvin Blaine
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From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA

posted 25 July 2006 01:45 AM     profile     
I was going to guess that this clip could be from mid 1947, that was the year that Les Anderson replaced Roy Honeycutt on steel, but Cameron Hill was playing for Roy Rogers in '47, and he's in the clip from above.
Tommy Duncan is singin' and he left at the end of '47, so it can't be any later then that.

The youtube clip also has Cameron Hill and Jimmy Wyble playing their matching blonde Epiphone Emperors, that I think they got in '44.

Then I found the picture below from '44.

Edit to add a picture of the Texas Playboys in late '44. Les is in the band, but the drummer(Monte Mountjoy) is right handed. Monte was the drummer that played on the Opry Dec of '44. The drummer in the video clip is playing left handed. I can't think of who the lefty drummer is in the video.
Most of the other look like their in the clip, so this video more than likely is from 1944, as Mitch said Oct of '44.
Also the film that Mitch mentioned from '44 was called "Warner Brothers Presents Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys" and if you notice that the clip in question is filmed at KFWB "Warner Brothers radio".

Looks like Les is at a Rickenbacher, but it doesnt look like the triple neck from the video.


Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys - Los Angeles 1944

Above left to right: Everett Stover, Les Anderson, Tiny Mott, Bob Wills, Louis Tierney, Monte Mountjoy, Rip Ramsey, Jimmy Wyble, Tommy Duncan, Cameron Hill, Millard Kelso, Laura Lee Owens

[This message was edited by Alvin Blaine on 25 July 2006 at 02:35 AM.]

Mitch Drumm
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From: santa rosa, ca

posted 25 July 2006 05:33 AM     profile     
Alvin:

Great pic--maybe the earliest shot I have seen of Wyble. With all respect to Barnard and Shamblin, Jimmy is my favorite Playboy guitar picker. Last I heard about him he was not doing too well, but I think he is still with us.

The standard Wills reference work lists someone named "Carlisle Schnitzer" as being in that video--so by process of elimination, I assume he is the drummer.

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