the DD-3 is a delay unit only, whereas the Genesis III has effects, amp modeling, speaker/cab modeling, EQ adjustment, etc. It can be an amp, multiple effects processor, and even tuner, all rolled up into one small unit.

I really like the Genesis III because of the versatility. With the amp modeling you can make just about any amp sound like you want.

One of the things I have been doing with the Genesis of late is totally bypassing the amps "pre section" and plugging direct into the amps power amp. This way I'm using the Genesis as the pre without any of the amps pre amp "coloration." I find there is less difference between amps this way when having to use various different amps provided. It is very easy to make "on the fly" changes should the amp not sound the way I prefer. For example, I may be playing through a Nashville one time and the next time might be a Vegas, or maybe even a Fender. I can make quick adjustments to my basic preset and store them in a new location to use in that particular situation without having lost my original preset.

It is very versatile and sounds great. It is the "only" unit I now take these days outside of my guitar and volume pedal. I can take it to the studio or use it "live" and get my sound. What amp just doesn't seem to be such an issue anymore.

I have been helping an awful lot of people with these units of late and am currently in California where I just had a workshop to help several players locally there.

Let me know if I can be of assistance to you should you decide to use one.

The Genesis III has been discontinued by Digitech. Your best chance of getting one is going to be finding one at a store or music products magazine that would still have one in stock, or get a used one. It could be possible that someone here on the forum, may have one they want to sell.

I was fortunate enough to get two before they were gone. They ran around the "sale" price of about $150.

Good luck!

Dave

[This message was edited by Dave Robbins on 09 September 2004 at 06:12 PM.]

I am basically using the same amp and cabs for the studio and "live". I use the "CLNTUB" (clean tube) setting under the "More" position for the amp modeling and use both the '57 Tweed (for the green side) and Blond 2x12 (for the red side) and Warp them. That way I can go brighter or mellower simply by turning the warp knob. The warp knob becomes sort of a master tone this way. I can have the clean bright sound, mellow sound, or a blend of the two at the push of the button, 'pending what I need.

The real trick for "live" use I have found comes under the "utilities" section. I change between the speaker sounds depending on the amp I'm using. If the amp is a bright amp like the older Session 400, I might use the Fx2x12 or even the Fx4x12 setting to darken the sound a bit. With the Vegas or Nashville I might use the Fx1x12 to brighten it up a bit.

For recording though, I use the "Direct" setting in the "Utilities" section instead of the Fx type speaker settings.

I also make a few tweaks to the cab tuning (CABTUN) and EQ.

This is with my LeGrande III and Emmons #108 Humbucker pickups.

Could you post your effects settings too? I'm starting to really like my G3, too

I wish you could have been at our little workshop we had in Tracy, Ca. I went through the whole thing there.

As for "my own" effects settings with the Gen III I only use delay,and no reverb. I do change it from a stereo delay to a mono delay or vise versa, depending on the set up.

For a mono delay I use the "edit" button to go to the delay effect mode, then use the "Data preset" to turn the delay "on". Set the "P1" knob to mono, set "P2" to the delay time preferred (approximately 260-280 for quicker tempos and 300 to 380 for slower tempos for "live". In the studio I use a timing chart to time the delay time to the tempo of the song.) Set "P3" to 22 (3-4 repeats). Set "P4" to "threshold Off" and set P4 from 30 - 46 depending on how much delay level you want to hear. I also change to "mono" in the "utilities" section.

For stereo delay, set "P1" to "spread", "P2" to the same as that for the mono delay setting, "P3" 22 (3-4 repeats), set "P4" DLYSP to "50". This will give a full stereo spread for two amps. Also Change the Utility section to stereo.

One other thing I do is to leave the unit in the "delay effect" mode so I can make changes to the delay time at any time rather than switching back to my preset where only the delay level can be adjusted. This way I can make "on the fly" changes to my delay time from song to song and tempo to tempo.

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I bought a Sonic Maximizer and I can't see where it helps any at all.

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I wish I had known about the Tracy get together! I would have been there. Who put that on?

thx

I put the workshop together. I was coming to the area to visit family anyway and several pickers who were using the unit needed some help so we threw the workshop together at a near last minute. There was not much notification nor time for word to get out. Should there be enough interest in another one I possibly could schedule one at another time. I will be leaving to go back to Nashville Thursday morning Sept 16, until then I will be here in the Tracy/Stocton area visiting family.

at present, I have no plans for recording a workshop. There again, it would be a matter of supply and demand. Rather,I prefer one on one were I can address each persons particular needs. Reason being that there are so many variations on steel guitar set ups, such as how a person uses there volume pedal, what type of volume pedal, type of amp, the tone they are trying to get and even the type of guitar and especially the pickups they use.

At the workshop herein Tracy, I gave a brief overview of how the unit works, answers and questions, and then worked with each person in helping them to develope programs that were tailored to their set up and needs. Answering questions, such as here on the forum or in a video, can only be at best "in general". What works for one person may not necessarily work completely for another depending on their equipment and what they expect.

I will be back home in Nashville after the 16th, so that may be a little closer to home for you if I can be of assistance to you.

You can reach me there or through this forum at that point. I'll be happy to assist you with your Genesis in any way I can.