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Topic: Burr Brown Peavey Mod Question
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Steve Stallings Member From: Bremond, Tx, pop 876, Home of the fighting Bremond Tigers
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posted 10 February 2005 07:30 AM
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I've got an email in to amp guru Ken Fox, but I thought I'd throw this up here as well.Ken is doing the battery chip mod for me on both my Profex II and Tubefex at the TSGA. I'm thinking about the Burr Brown Chip mod as well. Real world, does this make a big difference? I'm not using either of these units live at present as I'm using an Evans Stereo Preamp into a TC Electronics M-One, but if I could get similar quality with the Profex II or Tubefex, it would eliminate one item from the rack. ------------------ God Bless, Steve Stallings |
Tom Gorr Member From: Three Hills, Alberta
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posted 11 February 2005 06:49 PM
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Here's my experience with Burr Browns in my Vegas 400. I don't know how this would translate on the TubeFex, etc., as those units have a bunch of AD/DA conversion mid-path...On the Vegas, there was more than just replacing the IC's from what I remember. Seems to me the voicing is changed too through some resistors and cap replacements. However, to your queston - When I first got my Vegas 400, it had TLO72's. After I put in the Burr Brown 2604's it made a very subtle, but very noticeable improvement to the timbre. Prior to, I found the sound "hard" and not particularly enjoyable. After, it was "sweet". The sound is virtually indistinguishable if not preferably to a tube preamp, from what I've been able to tell when comparing with my Mesa Formula Pre into the power amp section of the Vegas. If I recall correctly, I bought a set of 10 OPA2604's for Cdn$40. Pretty cheap. Just go for it.
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Bob Metzger Member From: Waltham (Boston), MA, USA
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posted 19 February 2005 07:03 AM
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I, like Tom, changed out ICs while at the same time I altered some cap values so isolating the effect of the ICs alone was not possible. The amp in question, a Nashville 400, improved drastically. Bob M.[This message was edited by Bob Metzger on 19 February 2005 at 07:04 AM.] |
Jack Stoner Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 19 February 2005 08:47 AM
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I've done the chip "mod" to several Profex II's. It is a big improvement in the sound quality and lowers the noise.However, I had a Nashville 400 that had the tone mod installed by the factory (an early mod) but it did not have the OPA op-amps in it. I have a friend that had a Nashville 400 with older op-amps too. We bought the OPA's and installed them in our amps. Neither of us could tell a difference, and we are both electronic techs.[This message was edited by Jack Stoner on 19 February 2005 at 12:57 PM.] |
James Quackenbush Member From: Pomona, New York, USA
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posted 21 February 2005 03:55 PM
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I've had various mixing boards and various mic pre's that had Burr Brown upgrade Op amps, and the difference was like night and day ....If the difference is that drastic in the ProFex it's worth the money to do ......Jim |
Ken Fox Member From: Ray City, GA USA
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posted 25 February 2005 09:10 AM
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Well, I bit the bullet and ordered 100 of these this morning. I have had a lot of request for them and need to offer that option with the memory upgrades I offer for the Profex 2 and Bassfex.Peavey has these chips at a very reasonable price for those who want to upgrade themselves. I will not be selling the chips outright, just installed. I just wanted to add that as an option while folks have there Profex 2 or Bassfex here for memory chip (batteryless mod!) upgrade. The Burr Brown chips are not for the Tubefex or Transtubefex, just the memory chip mod is all I can do for you there. I can tell from units I am repairing that they are quieter with the Burr Brown chips.
[This message was edited by Ken Fox on 25 February 2005 at 01:58 PM.] [This message was edited by Ken Fox on 25 February 2005 at 01:58 PM.] |
Mike Brown Member From: Meridian, Mississippi USA
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posted 25 February 2005 11:38 AM
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The Burr Brown IC's are quieter. It was our intention to offer these quieter chips with our mod kits. |
Ken Fox Member From: Ray City, GA USA
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posted 25 February 2005 01:54 PM
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Thanks, Mike. I thought that was the case. I have noticed that difference for sure on units I have had in lately. I was talkin gwith Bud Harger, he has two units. He said the one with the Burr Brown chips even sounds better to his ear!
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Brad Sarno Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 25 February 2005 02:04 PM
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The Burr Brown x604 series chips are great. I've done audio mods with them for years. They are FET based and have a very clean and silky sound. They are among the best sounding opamps around. They're not just quieter, but they sound more musical.Brad Sarno |
Paddy Long Member From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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posted 26 February 2005 02:12 AM
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Is this similar to the lemay mod for the Profex II ?? |
Bill Crook Member From: Goodlettsville, TN , Spending my kid's inheritance
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posted 26 February 2005 06:34 AM
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Very much so.......Eventho the LeMay mod had the replacement chips ID numbers removed and the chips painted with red fingernail polish, ------------------ http://home.comcast.net/~crookwf/ http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/crookwf/my_photos |
Ken Fox Member From: Ray City, GA USA
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posted 26 February 2005 06:50 AM
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Yes the Peavey and Lemay mods were Burr Brown chips. I charge extra for the optional fingernail polish! |
Jack Stoner Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 26 February 2005 07:24 AM
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But, credit needs to be given to John Lemay for the original engineering of the "mods" (but not the OPA chips).In the component "obliteration", Goodrich also does that. The chip markings are gone in my MatchBro.[This message was edited by Jack Stoner on 26 February 2005 at 07:27 AM.] |
basilh Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 26 February 2005 12:48 PM
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A big improvement in the Profex II regarding noise.. Thanks Mike Brown and Peavey..------------------ quote: Steel players do it without fretting
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ajm Member From: Los Angeles
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posted 01 March 2005 08:08 PM
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Are these a drop in replacement for a 4558 dual op amp?Does anyone have a source for these that they can recommend? Thanks in advance.
------------------ Artie McEwan
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Bob Lawrence Member From: Lwr Sackville, Nova Scotia, Canada
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posted 01 March 2005 09:51 PM
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Jack,I hate it when companies do that. I don't know how many versions there were for the MatchBro but the info below should help. ============================================ Motorola MC34182P Low Power, High Slew Rate, Wide Bandwidth, JFET Input Operational Amplifier. ============================================= Transistor : J113 = NTE469 Industry Number : J113 NTE Device Number: NTE469 JFET-N-CHAN CHOPPER/SW, TO-92 ============================================ Transistor: MPSA18 NTE Device Number: NTE47 T-NPN,SI LO NOISE AMP,TO-92 ============================================ Anything else you need?  |
James Quackenbush Member From: Pomona, New York, USA
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posted 02 March 2005 11:26 AM
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Ken, I didn't know you used fingernail polish  |
Jack Stoner Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 11 April 2005 11:28 AM
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Bob, Thanks for the info. I don't know if that matches up with the model I have or not. My MatchBro is the original model, with the tone control in the bypass. |
Bob Leaman unregistered
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posted 11 April 2005 01:17 PM
The TL072 has a deadly trap for the unwary. Most opamps, when they hit their CM (Common-Mode)limits, simply show some sort of clipping. The TL072, however, when it hits its negative limit, promptly inverts its phase, so its circuit either latches up, or shows nightmare clipping behaviour with the output bouncing between the rails. An active "super-diode" clamp can prevent this problem but is a cost adder in design. The positive limit is trouble-free. Other BiFET opamps show similar behaviour; for example the OP-42, OP-249, OP-282, AD711 and AD712. None of these parts are recommended for audio applications. |
Ken Fox Member From: Ray City, GA USA
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posted 11 April 2005 01:50 PM
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Just pink, James! |
Tom Gorr Member From: Three Hills, Alberta
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posted 12 April 2005 07:33 PM
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I would also like clarification if the OPA2604 is a drop-in replacement for a 4558.I think I recall that the 2604 is a drop-in replacement for the TL072, but thought that going from a 4558 may require some circuit tweaking. Also recall increased potential for oscillation with the 2604 which may need some snubbers added. |
Ken Fox Member From: Ray City, GA USA
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posted 13 April 2005 08:32 AM
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Good point, Tom. I was also told that by Peavey tech support. I wanted to replace the TLO74 chips in a Mace VT. I left them alone! Just put several Burr Brown mods in the last few days and I can hear the difference in white noise level for sure. They are much quieter. I just modded the output of a Bassfex (same as Profex 2)to double its output (a 10K resistors in parallel with both R910 and R922). It clearly doubles the output level, as I verified that with the scope and a 1000 Hz tone. To my ear it improves the signal to noise ratio as well. Makes sense, as you are increasing the amplification of the final output stages. |