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Topic: Reverb Brightening Mod - Nashville 400
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Bob Metzger Member From: Waltham (Boston), MA, USA
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posted 28 February 2005 03:31 PM
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Please read the text first in the other post with this title.You'll need a soldering iron, low wattage preferable, solder, some solder wick, and a needle nosed pliers. DO NOT work on an amp that is plugged into the wall AC outlet and please DISCHARGE THE FILTER CAPS before commencing work. You'll also need a Peavey Nashville 400 schematic/parts layout to do this mod (Peavey part # 81501040). Peavey is pretty good about providing this sort of literature. If they charge for it, the charge is minimal. Parts List Caps .01uf 3.3uf Non Polarized .1uf .33uf/50 volt mylar Resistors 33 ohm/1 watt 1.2K 33K Metzger Reverb Mod for the Nashville 400 Driver Stage Mods 1). Change input cap (C36) from .015uf to .01uf 2). Solder a 33 ohm/1 watt resistor in series with a 3.3uf non-polarized cap. Put this assembly across (in parallel with) R57 (33 ohms). You may want to 'fix' these parts with a silicon compound so they don't move. Reverb Recovery Stage Mods 3). Change blocking cap (C40) from .22uf to.1uf 4). Change resistor R61 from 1.5K to 1.2K 5). Change cap C39 from .47uf/50 volt electrolytic to .33uf/50 volt mylar 6). Change resistor R60 from 22K to 33K That's it, you're done. Don't forget to gently re-tension that reverb molex connector when reassembling your amp. Bob Metzger[This message was edited by Bob Metzger on 24 March 2005 at 08:31 PM.] |
John Daugherty Member From: Rolla, Missouri, USA
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posted 01 March 2005 05:27 AM
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My favorite reverb mod is: connect a good electronic delay FX unit in the FX loop and turn the spring reverb off. |
LARRY COLE Member From: COLUMBUS, OHIO, USA
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posted 24 March 2005 06:29 AM
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I done this mod on my Nashville 400 and it sounds great. I first tried it with my Carvin three p/u Tele and it was like playing through a real clean twin. It sounds great with steel too. Gary preston played it for about three hours and compared it to his Vibrosonic with the JBL 15 and two Nashvilles. He wants both of his Nashvilles done. Dustin Rigsby played it and loved it too. I can't beleive how much the overall sound of the amp is improved by changing the reverb. Before I would have to turn the reverb up to 7 and it still didn't sound good,but now 3&1/2 is plenty. Anyone with a Nashville needs to have it done. I can leave my Midiverb -4 in the studio now, it sounds great with the reverb in the amp now. Parts are less than $20------------------ Playing For JESUS,LC. WILLIAMS U12,SHO-BUD PRO1,CARVIN TL60,GIBSON LES PAUL CUSTOM,YAMAHA L-10A ACOUSTIC,ROLAND JW-50 KEYBOARD,G&L AND BC RICH BASS'S
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Ken Fox Member From: Ray City, GA USA
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posted 24 March 2005 06:49 AM
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Thanks for the input. I have copied all that to file for future use. I want to give it try soon myself. |
Jim Saunders Member From: Houston, Texas, U.S.A.
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posted 27 March 2005 12:55 PM
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Thanks Bob! I must say this sounds like the solution to a real problem, but it's way over my head. I'm saving you post for someone who can handle the technical application. ------------------ Mullen, Royal Precision, D10, Gibson Console Grande D8, Peavey Nashville 112, Peavey Nashville 400. [This message was edited by Jim Saunders on 27 March 2005 at 12:55 PM.]
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Bob Metzger Member From: Waltham (Boston), MA, USA
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posted 27 March 2005 01:56 PM
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Jim,No more difficult than the Miracle Audio mod or the Peavey Tone Enhancement mod for the same product (in fact, alot easier). Many NV 400 users have installed these mods themselves. All that is needed is competent soldering skills, the ability to follow easy instructions and the desire to improve your amp. If you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself, print this out and take these instructions to your local, competent, and hopefully NV 400 experienced, amp tech. Bob M.[This message was edited by Bob Metzger on 27 March 2005 at 01:58 PM.] |
Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 27 March 2005 02:13 PM
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Hi Bob! How long you been on the east coast? I recently saw someone on another board seeking a Fender amp tech in the Boston area. Are you doing business and can I refer someone to you if it comes up? Anyway, regards and sorry for the drift.[This message was edited by Jon Light on 27 March 2005 at 03:25 PM.]
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Bob Metzger Member From: Waltham (Boston), MA, USA
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posted 27 March 2005 02:29 PM
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Jon,I've been here about five months, but back and forth to L.A. alot. Yes, I'm doing amps (and pedal steels) for people here and can be reached thru my posted email address. I appreciate the drift and hope all is well with you (and your Deluxe Reverb), Bob M.[This message was edited by Bob Metzger on 27 March 2005 at 03:07 PM.] |
LARRY COLE Member From: COLUMBUS, OHIO, USA
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posted 30 March 2005 04:54 AM
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Bob, can this mod be done on the Vegas 400 and other Peavey amos? Kenny Krupnick has a Vegas and was asking me about it. ------------------ Playing For JESUS,LC. WILLIAMS U12,SHO-BUD PRO1,CARVIN TL60,GIBSON LES PAUL CUSTOM,YAMAHA L-10A ACOUSTIC,ROLAND JW-50 KEYBOARD,G&L AND BC RICH BASS'S
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Bob Metzger Member From: Waltham (Boston), MA, USA
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posted 30 March 2005 06:29 AM
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One would have to study the schematics of the various Peavey amps with reverb and determine if any of these ideas can be generalized. My feeling, without actually doing any research or looking at the schematics, is that it can be done but I would doubt that the part values for the NV 400 mod would work out to being the same. A designer or well studied amp tech would have to take up this and generalize the concepts to the other models, probably creating a new set of part values. It's highly unlikely that if you put this mod in another Peavey amp (with reverb), that you would be satisfied with the result. I don't know that for sure; it's just my guess.Bob M.[This message was edited by Bob Metzger on 30 March 2005 at 06:31 AM.] |
LARRY COLE Member From: COLUMBUS, OHIO, USA
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posted 04 June 2005 05:30 AM
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^------------------ Playing For JESUS,LC. WILLIAMS U12,SHO-BUD PRO1,CARVIN TL60,GIBSON LES PAUL CUSTOM,YAMAHA L-10A ACOUSTIC,ROLAND JW-50 KEYBOARD,G&L AND BC RICH BASS'S
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Mark Herrick Member From: Los Angeles, CA
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posted 04 June 2005 10:47 PM
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quote: ...don't sub in different values because you can't find the listed values. Your results will be less than satisfactory. Just dig deeper in your sourcing. The parts are out there...
And you're keeping the source a secret because... ------------------ |
Jack Stoner Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 05 June 2005 04:11 AM
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I notice you are decreasing the value of the caps. That alone will cut some lows. Did you try it with just the cap value changes? Just curious? |
Bob Metzger Member From: Waltham (Boston), MA, USA
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posted 05 June 2005 07:35 AM
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Mark: I have no secrets; try Mouser, Newark, Digi-Key but not Radio Shack (they won't have the right values). I just don't want to tell folks which suppliers to buy from. I said that because some musician types aren't good at finding non-standard part values. If Abdul's Electronics on the corner doesn't have it, they give up. Call one of the major part houses. Jack: Some of the parts are decreased value from the stock parts, narrowing the low end of the reverbed signal. I tried many, many permutations and combinations over a long period of time, including testing their effectiveness on gigs. This mod, as it stands, comes closest to my goals. I recommend you try it as it is. Everyone who has believes it to be a major improvement not only for the reverb but for the overall tonality of the amp. If you only use half the ingredients, your souffle may not rise properly. Bob M. |
Jack Stoner Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 05 June 2005 08:23 AM
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Bob, I don't have a NV400 anymore. Was just curious. Although I'll keep the instructions in case I'm working on a NV400 and someone wants that mod installed.There is one difference in components between the Lemay and Peavey Nashville 400 mod and it's a coupling cap. Peavey does not change the value of C41 (2.2 uf), but the Lemay mod changes it to 22 uf and with the larger value there is more low end (I've tried both and prefer the Peavey original component as the low end got "boomy" with the Lemay mod value). |
Bob Metzger Member From: Waltham (Boston), MA, USA
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posted 05 June 2005 12:25 PM
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Actually, there are three other component changes that Peavey changes to one value and the Lemay mod changes to other values. But none of these part changes occur in the reverb drive or recovery circuits of the NV 400 so they don't directly affect the reverb sound. And, yes, you're correct concerning C41. Jack, one of the universal complaints of Peavey's reverb is how far the reverb control must be advanced to get a proper amount of reverb. Many folks feel more comfortable with the Fender reverb gain structure, where a good amount of the reverb effect is present between 3 and 4 on the knob. That was one of my secondary goals of the project was to raise the drive and recovery amounts of effect. Some resistor changes were used with this goal in mind. People have responded positively to the new gain levels.The NV 400 reverb not only sounds like Fender reverb now; it also works approximately the same with the reverb control. Bob M. |
Jack Stoner Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 05 June 2005 02:02 PM
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I forgot about the reverse polarity on a cap that Lemay does different from the Peavey. But, I've got a copy of the Lemay and Peavey Parts lists and that one cap is the only difference between the two lists I have. |