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Topic: Fender Twin/Steel King EQ question
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Bob Hoffnar
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 22 November 2005 09:07 PM
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The EQ settings I use on my Showman and rental Twins is
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Brite- off
Treble- 4
Mid- 10
Bass-3 I'm not having much luck finding the same EQ curve on my Steel King. Anybody out there know about this stuff.
The knobs on the SK do very different things than the knobs on a Twin. thanks, Bob |
Jay Ganz
Member From: Out Behind The Barn
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posted 23 November 2005 06:54 AM
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First thing is to turn the tilt clockwise until you get in the ballpark. I have an original '65 Twin reverb, but I haven't really tried to match them exactly. It's going to take a bit of tweeking on the parametric EQ section to zero in
the tone of your Showman. You're also dealing with entirely different speakers between the two. |
Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 23 November 2005 07:26 AM
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Totally different animals. With your midrange on 10, you are approaching flat on the Twin, but you still have some degree of mid dip at around 750Hz (given your treble setting). I don't know the SK very well, but I'd start flat and dip a little bit at around 750Hz and then start to move the bass and treble around a bit, then mess with the tilt. Really, they are two completely unrelated amps and the only connection I would give them is that they both have the same nameplate on the front. The SK circuit has nothing to do with that classic sound you hear with the Twin. Not even remotely similar, electronically speaking. Also, if you are able to mimic the EQ curve of the Twin with the SK, I wouldn't expect to get the same sound because of the tube/transistor factor. Brad |
Bob Hoffnar
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 23 November 2005 08:26 AM
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I understand how they are different. I never analized the frequencies of the Showman. I've just used the old Fenders for so long that I've gotten used to the weird way the tone controls interact. Its good to know that the way I set it makes it pretty close to flat. I have an old solid state Standel that has tone controls that confound me a bit also.I'll start messing around with the tilt control a bit more. Thanks for the pointers, guys ! Oh yea, I want to add that I am more than happy with the Steel King. I actually like it better for gigging than my vintage rig. It is a very well thought out, well made, great sounding amp. Anybody else out there that has had some success with odd ball SK EQ settings I could experiment with ? thanks, Bob |
Jon Light
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 23 November 2005 10:09 AM
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Hi Bob. I got an FSK after hearing you play yours. Haven't taken it outside the house yet. A very generalized impression is that A) I love my Fender tube amps B) I dig the Steel King so far and C) the SK doesn't really make me think of the tube amps. I had read here that this was real close to the old BF/SF Fenders and I can't say that I have found that to be so. Maybe I, too, haven't found the settings. However, I got this because it sounds good, not because it sounds like something else. There was actually a sound in my head that this came close to when I heard you playing it (not THE sound--A sound). In a way I consider it a bonus that it is different sounding than my Dual Showman. So it is what it is.
If you find any interesting settings I'd love to see them. I'm leaning toward (but haven't etched in stone, nor have I played this outside the living room after which all bets are off):Tilt: 11:00
Treble: 10:00
Mid: 8:00
Mid Q: 12:00
Bass: 10:00[This message was edited by Jon Light on 23 November 2005 at 10:13 AM.] |
Bob Hoffnar
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 23 November 2005 11:03 AM
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Jon,
I'm with you on the differences between amps. I'm really not trying to make the FSK sound like my tube stuff. I'm just trying to get a handle on what knobs to turn if some highs are too strident or if I'm missing to many mids once I really crank it up. The FSK reminds me quite a bit of my old Standel. Like that late 60's Charleton vibe.Bob |
Craig A Davidson
Member From: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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posted 24 November 2005 10:11 AM
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Ok, so on a Peavey you have to yank out the mid knob, but on a Twin, what is the preferred setting if being on Ten dips at 750. That is almost like where the recommended setting is on a Nashville 400(800). Brad maybe you could explain. I have been racking my ears trying for a setting. Each thing I try sounds good for a bit but the next time it isn't quite right. right now my settings are:Volume-5
Treble-4
Mids- 3
Bass- 6
Verb- 3.5
I am playing a push-pull with TT pick-ups wired at 17.5/E9, 18/C6. Just curious. |
Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 24 November 2005 11:03 AM
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Craig. The deal on a classic Fender circuit is that the midrange dip frequency is determined by the treble knob. The midrange knob has NO effect on the frequency of the dip, just the depth of it. Treble settings around 4 typically yeild a mid dip around 750-800Hz. Treble up around 6 will move that dip down to, if I recall, the mid 500's. When people refer to "interactive" controls, they're probably referring to how the treble control moves the mid dip around in addition to controlling the highs. High "midrange" settings on a Twin just make the dip less extreme. It's a passive EQ which is why it's both limited and also so musical sounding. Very minimalist and pure approach to tone shaping. That design came out in the 30's and is still today the standard in guitar amp voicing. Brad
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Craig A Davidson
Member From: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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posted 24 November 2005 06:53 PM
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So then where I am set at would be pretty close to what a guy might want. |
Doug Beaumier
Member From: Northampton, MA
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posted 24 November 2005 11:38 PM
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Bob,As you know, the Steel King and the Twin Reverb are completely different amps, like night and day. FSK (solid state, 200W, 15” speaker)
Twin (tubes, about 85W, 2 12” speakers) I’ve used my new Steel King on several gigs recently, and I’m very happy with the tone. For a solid state amp it’s pretty warm IMHO. The settings I’m using are much different that the Peavey amp settings. A lot of tweaking is required to find your tone, and the owner’s manual has no recommended settings for PSG. Here’s what works for me: normal switch OUT
GAIN 12:00
EQ TILT 10:00
TREBLE 8:00 to 9:00 (backed off considerably)
MID LEVEL 1:00
MID FREQ 1:00
BASS 1:00
REVERB 9:00 (or to taste)
MASTER 11:00 or 12:00
Limiter IN It’s important to keep the GAIN no lower that 10:00 IMHO. Also, keep the limiter IN to prevent any break up. The GAIN is fairly cranked, which produces a warmer sound, but you’ll get some breakup unless the LIMITER switch is IN. I’m playing a ’76 Emmons p/p, which has a lot of highs to begin with, so I find that I need to cut way back on the TREBLE. I’m sold on this amp. I use it for all of my steel gigs now. Good luck with it. ------------------
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Larry Behm
Member From: Oregon City, Oregon
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posted 25 November 2005 07:43 AM
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My setting are very similar to DB's, do not be afraid to turn the highs or lows down. When I first got the amp I had them both off for the longest time. I changed out the speaker box and was able to add the lows back in.Larry Behm[This message was edited by Larry Behm on 25 November 2005 at 12:06 PM.] |
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