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Topic: Which Chorus Item for B3 Organ Sound?
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Sigi Meissner
Member From: Duebendorf, Switzerland
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posted 07 December 2005 02:13 AM
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I got the Idea from a instruction Video from Lloyd Maines. He did an incredible good sounding blues shuffle.I think Curly Chalker did some B3 things too. A friend of mine had one of this monsters at home. When he stepped on the bottom for the leslie I got chicken skin every time. Yeah! I want exactly this sound.
Which chorus Item comes nearest?
Please don't tell me buy a 760 leslie cabinet ;=)
thnx
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Bill Fulbright
Member From: Atlanta, GA
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posted 07 December 2005 02:35 AM
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As you may know, there are several products (pedals or amp emulators) out there that emulate a B3 sound. Line 6 has done a pretty good job of it, and so have some of the pedal manufacturers. I believe it boils down to your taste after you have heard them all.------------------
Bill Fulbright
Gitane DG500M; Ibanez Artcore AF85VLS, Yamaha SY-77; My Music Site - http://hotguitar.org |
Jack Stoner
Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 07 December 2005 03:28 AM
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I used to have a DOD 565 Chorus pedal. It didn't work well with pedal steel guitar for chorus but worked great as a Leslie simulator. I got many comments about sounding like a "B3". |
Jan Jonsson
Member From: Gothenburg, Sweden
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posted 07 December 2005 03:41 AM
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My favorite is the old analog Dynacord CLS-222, a 1 HE rack mounted unit that was produced during the 80s. I use it with my Telecaster as well as my pedal steels and it gives a very authentic Leslie effect, in particular when used with a tube amplifier.-- Jan ------------------
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Larry Bell
Member From: Englewood, Florida
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posted 07 December 2005 05:14 AM
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H&K Tube Rotosphere
The tube circuitry breaks up just like a Leslie and the overall effect is as realistic as anything on the market. A bit pricey but if you want an authentic sound, the Rotosphere will do the trick.------------------
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2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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Bill Fulbright
Member From: Atlanta, GA
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posted 07 December 2005 05:20 AM
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Ahh yes... the Rotosphere is what I was trying to remember!!------------------
Bill Fulbright
Gitane DG500M; Ibanez Artcore AF85VLS, Yamaha SY-77; My Music Site - http://hotguitar.org |
Chris Brooks
Member From: Providence, Rhode Island
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posted 07 December 2005 05:30 AM
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I'm with Larry and Bill. The Rotosphere is great. It's about $340, discounted, with a wall wart.Chris ------------------
Carter SD-12 Extended E-9 with 5 & 6; Peavey N 112; Small Stone, Hughes & Kettner Rotosphere. |
Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 07 December 2005 05:55 AM
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The discontinued Korg G4 is the best of them all IMO.For a single-speed chorus unit, the Arion SCH-1 is the sleeper - does a wonderful Leslie sound. Have to find a used one and theyy're getting expensive, Do NOT get the newer SCZ-1 - completely different (and awful). |
Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 07 December 2005 06:28 AM
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Jim, I agree on the Korg G4. Find them used on Ebay. They are really quite excellent at emulating a real Leslie. Brad |
Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 07 December 2005 06:31 AM
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The MXR Phase 100 stomp-box does a credible job on both a fast or a slow leslie sound. One plus is that you don't need a wall wart. (The battery life is quite good.) |
Roger Crawford
Member From: Locust Grove, GA USA
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posted 07 December 2005 06:40 AM
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The PODxt has a good one, too. |
Jay Ganz
Member From: Out Behind The Barn
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posted 07 December 2005 06:47 AM
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I have a Motion Sound Pro 3T which actually has a revolving horn in it, so it's not just a simulator. I'll tell you though, the Leslie simulator in the PODxt is pretty darn good in a pinch also. I tweeked the fast speed up a bit with the Line 6 edit to match the speed of the Pro 3T. |
John Cox
Member From: Bryan, Texas, USA
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posted 07 December 2005 09:42 AM
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About a decade back I had a Jim Dunlop "Roto-Vibe" that worked pertty well. Don't know if they still make them or not but, I'd check it out. J.C. |
Smiley Roberts
Member From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075
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posted 07 December 2005 10:46 AM
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Okay.I'm only gonna say this ONE MORE TIME!The Peavey ProFex II,Newman program # 41,("Leslie") usually available,on this very forum,for anywhere from $215 to $275 (+/-)
You get your "Leslie" effect,PLUS 127 others at your fingertips. PLUS,if you also play guitar,128 guitar programs!! Need I say more? I can't see payin' $250-$300 for ONE effect,that you'll,probably,only use once,MAYBE,twice a night. My "humble"  opinion. ------------------
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Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 07 December 2005 11:26 AM
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Well, I gotta tell ya that Smiley speaketh the truth (no matter what they say about him). I just listened back to a recording of him playing the last NTSGA jam and he did a tune with the full on leslie/hammond sound. I was so impressed by how true it sounded that I emailed him to ask exactly what he was using to get that sound. It sure sounded like the real deal. Profex. Go Peavey!Brad |
Ken Fox
Member From: Ray City, GA USA
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posted 07 December 2005 11:32 AM
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Another trick on the Profex 2 or any of the Peavey rack effects is to put the chorus or phase effect after a splitter effect, making it go to one output only! Then run two amps. The difference in chorus is astounding with a Profex 2 set up that way. A true stereo chorus just sends the effect to one amp only! The splitter effect will do that for you easily. Huge sound!!![This message was edited by Ken Fox on 07 December 2005 at 11:34 AM.] |
David Wren
Member From: Placerville, California, USA
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posted 07 December 2005 01:21 PM
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The MPX-100, if split between two amps is OK.... I want an expression pedal that allows varible speed of the tempo.... just like Jimmy Smith!------------------
Dave Wren
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Andy Zynda
Member From: Wisconsin
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posted 07 December 2005 01:31 PM
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Another vote for the Korg G4. It's as close as you'll get. Jerry Donahue (from the hellecasters) tried 'em all and chose the Korg.
I sold mine only when I snagged a Vibratone.
(Fender's Leslie)
2 cents.
-andy
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Grant Johnson
Member From: Nashville TN
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posted 07 December 2005 01:41 PM
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There is a Korg G4 for sale on the Telecaster Page Garage Sale by a good, trustworthy bloke for $325.------------------
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Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 07 December 2005 01:44 PM
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I like the Korg so much I'm SELLING my Vibratone! Takes up too much room.FWIW I have had nothing but awful results with Peavey products. I figured there's a reason most of it's so inexpensive. Hartley may be a great success, but his equipment is pretty mediocre IMO. |
Dave Mudgett
Member From: Central Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 07 December 2005 02:47 PM
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Voce Spin, but I use it more for guitar than steel - I love it for jazz-flavored comping. I've tried tons of choruses, flangers, and other assorted effects like this, including the Korg G4, Rotovibe, an original old Univibe, old Ross flangers, MXR Phase 100, the Pod's Leslie effect, a Roland Synthesizer B-3 + Leslie settings, a real Leslie 16 (equivalent to Fender Vibratone) cabinet, and a bunch of older ones whose names I have completely forgotten. I have a Hammond A100 with Leslie cab, and except for the Roland guitar synth (which sounded a lot like a B-3, but had tracking issues), the Voce is the closest of the ones I've tried. The Leslie 16 was cool, but didn't have the rotating horn - just a rotating drum around the speaker - and it was heavy (think Session 500 heavy).My Voce is the rackmount version, which has been out of production for a while and is probably hard to find. I guess there's a newer floor-pedal Spin II, haven't heard that one. For a live band mix, I usually just use my tweaked out Pod. I've used the G4, Rotovibe, and so on, in live settings, they generally sound fine to me also. But if I'm going to use the effect a lot, I like the Voce. I used to occasionally run the Roland guitar synth B-3 patch in a blues band - the leader used to give me the evil eye all night. He complained that it "just didn't look right to have those B-3 sounds coming from a guitar". Strangely, when I left the band, he hired a B-3 player to take my place. |
ajm
Member From: Los Angeles
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posted 07 December 2005 04:56 PM
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I'll second what Ken said about having the stratight signal come out of one amp and the effected slightly modulated signal come out the other side.I have a Rockman stereo chorus, and the "wide" setting does just that. It really makes a difference. Also, if you can slightly delay the wet signal and/or modulate the delay a little it also spreads it out a little more.
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Jan Jonsson
Member From: Gothenburg, Sweden
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posted 08 December 2005 02:28 AM
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quote:
I like the Korg so much I'm SELLING my Vibratone! Takes up too much room.
Jim: I just sold my old cherished Vibratone for the same reason. The Dynacord sounds close enough (I believe you heard it on my band's recent demo songs) but weights next to nothing. -- Jan |
Rainer Hackstaette
Member From: Bohmte, Germany
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posted 08 December 2005 06:10 AM
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1. Hughes & Kettner Rotosphere
2. PODxtI have both. In a side-by-side comparison, the Rotosphere wins hands-down. So, for a studio gig I'd use the H&K. In a live situation, the PODxt is convincing enough. Bringing the H&K in addition to the POD for just a song or two is just too much hassle. With either units, "B-3 sound" is quite a stretch, if you're playing PSG. It's more like a Bontempi, Farfisa, or Casio.  Rainer
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Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 08 December 2005 07:41 AM
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I also use the H & K Rotosphere. I have a two button remote foot switch next to my left foot so I can kick it in when desired. I play all gospel music and it sure sounds great on the old gospel songs for a chorus or such.
Erv |
Smiley Roberts
Member From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075
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posted 08 December 2005 09:46 AM
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THANK YOU BRAD!------------------
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Richard Sinkler
Member From: Fremont, California
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posted 08 December 2005 12:24 PM
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I would like to get my hands on an old unit called a "Junior". It was my favorite rotary emulator.------------------
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James Quackenbush
Member From: Pomona, New York, USA
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posted 08 December 2005 02:21 PM
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Check this one out .....
http://www.option5-online.com/EP-004.html There's one on Ebay.....Great sounding pedal ....[This message was edited by James Quackenbush on 08 December 2005 at 02:29 PM.] |
Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 08 December 2005 04:21 PM
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One other feature of the G4 is you can hook up a volume pedal to it to vary the speed. |
David Spangler
Member From: Kerrville, TX USA
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posted 08 December 2005 08:19 PM
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Another vote for the POD XT. |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 09 December 2005 12:33 PM
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I can't seem to get a good Leslie sound from my Pod XT. Does anyone have some settings they would like to share?
The H&K RotoSphere really kicks butt! I combine it with a 40% blend of 'power chord' pitch-shifting from the Lexicon MPX-100 to simulate the Hammond drawbars.------------------
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Buck Dilly
Member From: Branchville, NJ, USA
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posted 17 December 2005 05:56 AM
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I have H+K and PODxt. There is no comparison. H+K is the one. Beats 'em all. It is pricey but you'll love it if you use it all the time. You band will love you. |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 17 December 2005 07:46 AM
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I couple my H & K to a two button foot switch. one button turns the effect on and off. The other button changes speed. Like the real thing.  |
Len Amaral
Member From: Rehoboth,MA 02769
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posted 17 December 2005 09:06 AM
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I have the Roland GP-100 and it has a Leslie sound. It's not bad with no editing and I only use it on a few songs.I also had the HK and it nailed the rotating speaker sound, very rich and realistic. However, I didn't have room for it in my rack and the GP-100 was convincing for the few songs I used it with. |
Al Marcus
Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 17 December 2005 08:44 PM
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Richard-I have a PE Junior, have used it for about 30 years. It gives me a nice B3 sound. It is just a small box, I thinkg it works good for me.......al
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Paul Honeycutt
Member From: Colorado, USA
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posted 20 December 2005 09:29 PM
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I've heard good things about the new Line 6 Roto pedal. (Can't think of the exact name). I know of one pro who sold his Rotosphere when he got the Line 6. And it's less then $200.
YMMV. |
Mike Brown
Member From: Meridian, Mississippi USA
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posted 21 December 2005 07:09 AM
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The Peavey Deltafex and the new Duel Deltafex both feature a "rotating speaker" effect that can be ramped up or ramped down using a one button footswitch(momentary or otherwise). Here is a link to this product from the Peavey website; http://www.peavey.com/products/browse.cfm/action/detail/item/78589/number/18008420/cat/94/begin/1/Deltafex%AE+Stereo+Effects+Processor+w%2F+Power+Supply.cfm
http://www.peavey.com/products/browse.cfm/action/detail/item/115819/number/00420020/cat/94/begin/1/Dual+DeltaFex%AE+Stereo+Effects+Processor.cfm If you have questions, please let me know. Mike Brown
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John Borchard
Member From: Athens, OH 45701
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posted 29 December 2005 02:54 PM
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The old Boss Chorus Ensemble units (big, gray metal monsters from the late '70s) work pretty well. John Ely (former Asleep at the Wheel steel guitarist) used one and it sounded quite good. The unit has a vibrato section which is usually set for the "fast" Leslie setting, and a chorus section which is usually set for the "slow" setting. Once these two settings are dialed in, you can switch between them or bypass completely. A nice feature of the Hughes and Kettner unit is that it slows down or speeds up when switched between speeds -- the Boss doesn't. Chorus Ensembles can be hard to find and pricey, but they work and are built like tanks. I have one, but I use my Leslie 147. The band is rehearsing tonight and this is kind of inspiring me to get the ol' Boss out! John Borchard |
Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 31 December 2005 08:31 AM
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OK, found it. I got to play with this one. It's pretty amazing. The local player who turned me on to it replaced his H&K Rotosphere with this one:
http://www.dlseffects.com/roto_sim.php These guys also make my new favorite delay pedal. Brad |
Alvin Blaine
Member From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA
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posted 04 January 2006 10:22 PM
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Songworks Rotary Wave  Just like a mini version of the old Leslie 16 or Vibratone. It uses the same size speaker, but the cabinet is about 1/4 the size. 10" Rotary Wave features include: Jenson C10Q 10" speaker.
Size: 12" x 12" x 18", weighing in at 16 lbs.
Variable Speed Control.
"Super Quiet" long life ball bearing motor
5 year limited warranty
12vdc power adapter
1/4" speaker input jack / up to 50 watts at 8 ohm (16 ohm available)
100% handmade in the USA![This message was edited by Alvin Blaine on 04 January 2006 at 10:23 PM.] |
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