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Gary Peaslee
Member

From: Richardson, TX USA

posted 21 July 2006 04:21 PM     profile     
Just got it today, and here are some first impressions:

1) Size/Weight - it is much smaller and lighter than the VS-II or V-SAM. The flip design is very cool and will certainly protect the screen. It will also be much easier to store in a pack-a-seat.
2) Tuning - it comes with 3 built-in Jeff Newman "sweetened" tunings: E9 with E's 9.8 cents sharp, E9 with E's straight up at 0.0 cents, and C6. It also has 8 programmable banks: S1-4 and T1-4. The tuner is very stable and seems to be more stable than the VS-II. I have tried both of the built-in E9 tunings and prefer the "straight-up" one. It seemed to be more in tune with several CD's that I played along with. The next step will be to program my own tuning. With the extra memory banks, this should be a much easier task for my U-12 MSA. There are also 2 Dobro tunings and various guitar and bass tunings as well.
3) Power - the unit runs on AC or 3 AA batteries. There is a cool blue light that stays on whenever the AC is plugged in, even when the tuner is switched off.
4) Pitch Holder - this is a new design which is much better than the holder for the VS-II and V-SAM. Unfortunately, the clamp on the first batch of pitch holders is too small to fit on the leg of most steel guitars (it didn't fit on my MSA). Not to worry though, as Peterson is aware of this design flaw and has ordered new pitch holders with a bigger clamp. Just call Sue at Peterson, and she will send you a free replacement when they arrive.
5) Features - there are signal in and thru jacks on the right side of the tuner. I tested the thru jack, and it added absolutely no noise. On the left side are the AC 5V jack and an audio out jack that outputs a reference 440 Hz signal (this can be changed). Besides the Off and On buttons, there are only 6 additional buttons. These are used to access the various tunings and adjust the parameters if desired. I found it very simple to operate right out of the box, even before looking at the manual. There is also a built-in mic and a clip-on TP tuning pickup included for tuning acoustic instruments.

I am sure there are a few things I have missed, but I have only scratched the surface of this tuner's capabilitites. To conclude, Peterson has definitely improved upon their previous tuners. The size, weight, design, and features should have universal appeal to the steel guitar player community.

Bob Kagy
Member

From: Lafayette, CO USA

posted 23 July 2006 07:01 AM     profile     
Nice review Gary, thanks.
Greg Cutshaw
Member

From: Corry, PA, USA

posted 23 July 2006 09:43 AM     profile     
Thanks for taking the time to post your review, Gary. Now I gotta go and get one!

Greg

Paddy Long
Member

From: Christchurch, New Zealand

posted 23 July 2006 02:12 PM     profile     
Well done Gary, thanks for that ...does the tuner come with soft case (zipup type) ???

[This message was edited by Paddy Long on 23 July 2006 at 05:15 PM.]

Gary Peaslee
Member

From: Richardson, TX USA

posted 23 July 2006 06:18 PM     profile     
No, it doesn't come with a soft case, but it should have. The case exterior is a brushed silver which looks like it could scratch. I was actually thinking about looking for a pouch or soft case to store the tuner in when it's inside of my pack-a-seat.
Paddy Long
Member

From: Christchurch, New Zealand

posted 23 July 2006 09:44 PM     profile     
Hi Gary yes that's what I was thinking ...well they have everything else with it, you would think they would provide some type of case ! (at no extra cost)

[This message was edited by Paddy Long on 24 July 2006 at 02:14 PM.]

Larry Behm
Member

From: Oregon City, Oregon

posted 25 July 2006 07:52 PM     profile     
Just ordered one from Muisians Friend, had them in stock. $199 base price.

Larry Behm

Greg Cutshaw
Member

From: Corry, PA, USA

posted 25 July 2006 08:25 PM     profile     
Ordered from MF also. Sold my VS-II on ebay 60 seconds after posting it for $150! Someone had their wish list waiting!

Greg

Paddy Long
Member

From: Christchurch, New Zealand

posted 25 July 2006 09:06 PM     profile     
I see Carters have it up on their website for $199 as well !

Jim Bates
Member

From: Alvin, Texas, USA

posted 26 July 2006 05:17 PM     profile     
My Strobo Flip came today (July 26th) from Musician's Friend after placing order in April. So looks like delivery is underway.

Thanx,
Jim

Don Sulesky
Member

From: Hernando, Fl. usa

posted 27 July 2006 01:46 PM     profile     
I got mine today and it was backordered from M/F since the 7th of July.
I tried out the straight up E's at zero and find it is so close to what I was using with my user VS-II settings that I'm using the presets. Although I will have to program the C6th for zero. It also seems to be more stable than the VS-II and half the size.
I also called for the new bracket and was treated very kindly by Sue.
Don
Chris LeDrew
Member

From: Newfoundland, Canada

posted 27 July 2006 01:56 PM     profile     
There's been some opposition to the Peterson tuner here from time to time, from those who believe in relying solely on your ear. Well, I have found that the Peterson tuner has strengthened my ear immensely. Now that I know what "in" sounds like, I can go there much quicker now. After a few gigs relying heavily on the strobe, I can now tweak by ear because I'm always that much closer. With the Peterson, I'm always in the ballpark. That's a lot of stress off your mind when you're busy trying to perform.

The Peterson tuner is by far the best accessory I've bought for pedal steel.

Jon Light
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 27 July 2006 02:06 PM     profile     
In spite of Gary's info to me in anothyer thread that he special ordered this at Guitar Center, since I'm seeing that M/F (same company as GC) is shipping them, I trekked to my nearest GC--not all that far--to buy one. I asked, the salesdude punched it into his terminal and said yep, he went downstairs, came back up 5 minutes later looking pleased with himself and plopped down on the counter a strobostomp.
No, the Flip is a GC special order item for some reason.
Why didn't you say so, Gary?
Gary Peaslee
Member

From: Richardson, TX USA

posted 27 July 2006 02:35 PM     profile     
Jon - I went back and read the post. I did say that I special ordered mine and that I didn't think the stores would be carrying them. Sorry for the misunderstanding. But at least you didn't have to go to far.
Jon Light
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 27 July 2006 02:38 PM     profile     
No Gary--I'm funning on myself for reading your "special order" info and then going ahead and going there anyway, only to find out that.....it was a special order item. You gave good info and I appreciate it. What I chose to do with the info says a little bit about how mentally swift I am. D'oh!
Larry Bell
Member

From: Englewood, Florida

posted 27 July 2006 04:25 PM     profile     
Don
Just curious -- maybe I'm not reading your post correctly (wouldn't be the first time)

Why would you have to program the C6 tuning offsets if they are all 0? (I assume you mean you tune your C6 neck to ET -- all 'straight up' relative to A440)

Doesn't it just automatically tune EVERYTHING to straight up unless you change the offsets?

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Don Sulesky
Member

From: Hernando, Fl. usa

posted 28 July 2006 04:34 AM     profile     
Larry
I probably did not explain clearly.
I use the E's at (0.0) not +9.8 and use all the offsets for the temper tuning.
I also use the same offsets for the C6 at C= (0.0), but as I look at the presets in the new StrobFlip they are set for C6 at C +9.8.......
Don
Keith Cordell
Member

From: Atlanta

posted 28 July 2006 09:04 AM     profile     
Sorry about the GC hairball guys. I am an employee at GC Atlanta, and we have not received any yet though we expect them soon. For some reason the MF warehouse gets stuff first. I'll post when we see any in our store.
Derrick Mau
Member

From: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA

posted 28 July 2006 12:35 PM     profile     
Hi Gary,
Is there a direct number to Sue at Peterson's?
Thanx
Don Sulesky
Member

From: Hernando, Fl. usa

posted 28 July 2006 12:55 PM     profile     
The number comes with the product.
They recognize the problem.
It is 1-708-388-3311
Don
Jon Light
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 28 July 2006 01:39 PM     profile     
I tried calling Sue this afternoon and found her in a meeting so I sent an email, att: Sue re: pedal steel guitar bracket. I expect no problems.

Just wanted to give a shout-out to these folks that I bought the Flip from: http://www.pedalgeek.com

I had an email question that was answered within a half-hour. I chose to upgrade from free UPS ground shipping to USPS Priority @ $14.20 (UPS has problems getting stuff to me in my building--I get delivery notices but no goods---USPS has keys to the mailroom) Anyway, later, same afternoon, I have shipping confirmation AND they changed the invoice shipping charge from $14.20 to $11.95, the actual shipping charge. The point is not the small $$ difference but rather the principle, not always applied, that shipping charges should reflect real charges, not imaginary ones.
I accepted the first invoice and would not have second guessed the shipping figure so this gesture is so much appreciated.
A pleasure doing business with these guys.

Derrick Mau
Member

From: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA

posted 28 July 2006 05:02 PM     profile     
Thanks Don,
Mines is coming in today sometime, according
to the Fed-Ex tracking.
Al Marcus
Member

From: Cedar Springs,MI USA

posted 28 July 2006 08:38 PM     profile     
Gary-Thanks for the post about the new tuner. Very interesting.

Don-Does it program in E6 or A6 or Bb6, etc just by changing the root name from C6 or do you have to re-program it...al

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Don Sulesky
Member

From: Hernando, Fl. usa

posted 28 July 2006 08:56 PM     profile     
Al
I haven't got that far with it at this time.
There is a feature called "drop key" which may do what you are asking. Also 4 user banks you can program yourself which I did for my C6th neck.
Maybe someone else may know more on this than I do as I'm still working my way through it at this early stage.
Don
Derrick Mau
Member

From: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA

posted 29 July 2006 11:02 AM     profile     
FYI: An insert that came in the box says that the clamp was designed to be hooked onto a mic stand.
Larry Behm
Member

From: Oregon City, Oregon

posted 31 July 2006 08:11 PM     profile     
Got mine today (Mon) used the Newman E 0.0 and C6 sweeteners, so far so good with just a once over. More guitar tweeking to be done, I could hear the difference vs other methods and tuners. My ears are better than even I thought as I was very close on most changes already etc.

More to follow.
Larry Behm

Jack Stoner
Sysop

From: Inverness, Florida

posted 01 August 2006 03:07 AM     profile     
I like the smaller size and extra memories that it has. Also the auto power off feature that was missing in the VS-II.

I tried the E9 at 0 and it's very close to my own modified Jeff Newman settings. I suspect that's because I took the Newman settings (E's ref to 0) and then adjusted what was needed so my guitar was in tune with itself. E.G. I tune the B pedal raises to -2 cents instead of the -6 (-1.5Hz) that the Newman settings list. Same way the open F#'s are at -2 cents rather than -4 cents, etc. I tune my C6th with the C at 0 rather than the Peterson +9.6 cents and also have a couple changes to the Newman chart.

I don't work with a keyboard so I don't need to compensate to be in tune with the keyboard. Maybe I would need the +9.6 tunings if I did. With my E's at "0" tuning I'm in perfect open pitch with our lead guitar and bass pickers.

Larry Behm
Member

From: Oregon City, Oregon

posted 01 August 2006 04:50 AM     profile     
Jack I agree this is a good starting point, I felt I could change a few things also, time will tell.

Larry Behm

Bill Rowlett
Member

From: Russellville, AR, USA

posted 10 August 2006 02:34 PM     profile     
I stopped tuning years ago. It saves me a lot of time when I'm late to gigs and I find that I sound a lot closer to the guitar player.
Boo Bernstein
Member

From: Los Angeles, CA

posted 18 August 2006 04:02 PM     profile     
Does this unit have true bypass? Also, is there a mute feature to the amp? Thanks, Boo
Greg Cutshaw
Member

From: Corry, PA, USA

posted 19 August 2006 12:42 AM     profile     
Got my replacement StroboFlip today and it seems to be fine. It tunes the low B string on a 5 string bass without flinching a bit, very stable on all the C6th strings also.

Greg

Jon Light
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 19 August 2006 07:35 AM     profile     
Hey Boo---I don't think the Flip is true-bypass. I believe it buffers the signal. Although I haven't spent any time seriously trying to assess the sound quality passing thru it, that's really because I have no issues with it--no obvious degradation. I will be interested in seeing the affect of weak batteries on the signal.
I'm aware that there are folks out there in the effects world who would rather die than use a non-true-bypass unit, I'm not too worried about it this issue unless I can actually hear the problem.

And unless there's a hidden feature that I haven't stumbled upon yet, there is no muted tuning. Someone please educate me if I'm wrong on any of this.

Barry Blackwood
Member

From: elk grove, CA

posted 19 August 2006 11:31 AM     profile     
For a case/pouch, try the camera stores ...
Dave Potter
Member

From: Republic of Texas (near San Antonio)

posted 19 August 2006 04:44 PM     profile     
quote:
Does this unit have true bypass?
Knowing all too well that "negatives" aren't received favorably here, I'll just put it up front. I have one in my hand, and, in my opinion, no, it does not.

I own a Strobostomp, which claims "true bypass" capability, and I think it passes the signal through pretty much unchanged. I can't say that about the Stroboflip, and I've spent close to US$100 for a signal splitter to address the issue.

[This message was edited by Dave Potter on 27 August 2006 at 05:16 AM.]

Keith Cordell
Member

From: Atlanta

posted 20 August 2006 09:54 AM     profile     
Dave you could have saved a chunk of dough and bought a steel-specific signal splitter from one of our forumites... it's called a Jerry Rig. Very cool box.
Jim Palenscar
Member

From: Oceanside, Calif, USA

posted 20 August 2006 12:14 PM     profile     
I ran the signal through 1st - my ears and then 2nd- the computer program that Ed Packard and I have been using for the real time analyser (RTA) stuff and I was unable to detect a difference in the signal in or outta the StroboFlip chain- unlike the VSII were there was an obvious difference.
Jon Light
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 26 August 2006 11:49 AM     profile     
OK---I stated above that I was unconcerned about true bypass unless there's something I can actually hear. Today I discovered that when "off" but still inline, the Flip does degrade the signal. Turning it on corrects the problem but there is definitely subtle but real distortion (I wasn't testing it at the time, I was just playing and suddenly got worried that something was wrong with the amp) when the Flip is turned off (or shuts itself off, in this case). This is without the external power supply which may or may not make a difference.
I am accustomed to plugging & unplugging tuners to spot-tune so this isn't much of a hardship. But it is unfortunate.
Dave Potter
Member

From: Republic of Texas (near San Antonio)

posted 27 August 2006 06:20 AM     profile     
quote:
you could have saved a chunk of dough and bought a steel-specific signal splitter from one of our forumites... it's called a Jerry Rig. Very cool box.
I was interested in more than just a switch.
Gary Steele
Member

From: Orient, Ohio, USA

posted 29 August 2006 05:22 PM     profile     
UP

[This message was edited by Gary Steele on 29 August 2006 at 05:25 PM.]

Gary Steele
Member

From: Orient, Ohio, USA

posted 29 August 2006 05:24 PM     profile     
Corson music in I'llinois sent one to my door and i was happy with the price.

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