Read it thoroughly.

Make sure that the chip you have is like the one you're gonna take out. You can't replace a Socket 1 with a Socket A (i.e. card edge type with a FC-PGA) Gotta either be Socket 1 or FC_PGA.

If you have trouble with these designators go to the Intel website and look up the package types. You can also gain insight into package types at the MCM Electronics website.

As for a manual for my motherboard... well, I don't believe when I bought the computer (already assembled) that they provided me with such a manual... not sure where I'd find one.

I know some things about what kind of chip the new one is: Slot 1, 512K, 333 MHz. The package also says on it: Pentium II-333-030, 333, SL2S5, Intel, 80523PX333512, S/P.

The Slot 1 design is easy to spot; they look kind of like miniature video tapes. If your new chip is the same size and shape as the one in the PC you're good to go. You may need a new heat sink/cooling fan for the new chip. If I remember correctly the Slot 1 uses adhesive to attach the heat sink so you may not be able to reuse the old one. Or it may use clips.

If you can find any identifying (incriminating) marks on the mobo you might be able to tell the mfgr then do a web search (Yahoo/Google) on the number or name and locate on-line motherboard info that way. Works for MicroStar & Biostar (newer) edition boards.

There are lots of things that can go haywire here, make sure the Slot-1 connector on the mobo can handle the Slot-1 (newer) cpu you have. Again, the Intel website can help. If the one you are taking out looks IDENTICAL to the one you are replacing there should be no mechanical issues.

PS: FC-PGA means Flip Chip-Pin Grid Array, that's the package with 478 pins sticking out one side of a flat square slab about 2" square with a big black dot in the middle (the actual piece of silicon doing the work). How'd you like the job of attaching 478 wires from that little slab to each of the 478 pins? And you think Bud's Bounce is tough?

Also, make sure the heat sink fan works when you turn the PC on. It wont take very long to fry the chip if it aint being cooled. A 333mHz chip gives more room for error than a 1.8 gHz cpu, but not much if the cpu cooling fan aint spinnin'.

hope this helps & regards...

[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 20 January 2004 at 08:19 PM.]

Old/original chip says: 80522PX233512 SL2HD
also says: R7480498-077

The new one like exactly the same size and shape as the old one and it looks like the heat sink has clips on it to reattach it to the new one.

Also, yes I have jumpers and a little chart on the motherboard telling me the jumper settings when using a 333 chip.

Now, from the numbers above, does it appear that the new one should work? Is it compatible?

Also, where would I find the make and model of the motherboard? I don't see it in there...

What brand of computer do you have? Knowing that, I might be able to help you find out about the mobo.

Lem

Also, I'll keep an eye out here for a while, to make sure I don't miss a response, or you may feel free to email me as well.

[This message was edited by Lem Smith on 21 January 2004 at 09:48 PM.]

Changing the Chip on your Motherboard should be very straight forward. Just remove the HeatSink then remove the chip, then put in the new chip and then put the NEW heatsink on the new chip. Just make sure the heatsink provided with the new chip will fit on your MotherBoard. More than likely it is attached by clips.

There should be NO issues of compatibility for this new chip. However, I must tell you that you will not be able to detect ANY differece from a 233 MHz and a 333 MHz chip. The difference is so minimal that it is only readable for a diagnostics view point. I am not sure I would go through the hassle of up grading the chip for just 100 MHz more.

Just my $.02

About the heat sink, the new chip didn't come with one, so I'm hoping I can just unclip the old chip and clip the heat sink back onto the new chip. Yes?

[This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 22 January 2004 at 10:33 AM.]

You bet you can just unclip the old one and put it on the new one.

I think the camera software will work just fine after this upgrade.

Look at the bottom of the slot that the CPU is plugged into & check for a horizontal piece of black plastic about the length of the CPU slipped over two plastic pegs near the bottom of the slot. Carefully push this horizontal piece of plastic off of the two pegs and the CPU should pop out.

Hope this helps...

George

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Here is a interesting site for Slot I upgrading:
http://www.zen26266.zen.co.uk/Slot1up1.htm

Take care,

Les

[This message was edited by Les Pierce on 23 January 2004 at 10:27 PM.]

I'm going to Best Buy and getting a whole new system ! Probably an Athalon XP media system...with DVD write...and a ton of memory..

I've been fighting some very weird stuff and
at the same time want to add some media stuff that the 'ole PII just will not be able to handle...( efficiently that is )

I changed Mother bds on my system last week, and after all sorts of Boot up dealies..and holding my breath with my hand on my heart...I went back to the original Mother bd and Processor..

good luck with the new boot up !

I'm giving in..and handing over the cash..
t

Someday you'll see the light.

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Why on earth would I want to drop several more hundred dollars now to upgrade it

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But, Jim, with all the money you're now making as a professional musician ...

Seriously, Bill's exactly right recommending a card reader for your digital camera images. I did that recently and I find it much more convenient than using Nikon's camera software. The card reader simply appears as another drive on your system.

Hmmm ... I haven't used Win 95/98 for a long time ... Bill, is that an issue, or are there drivers for the card readers?

[This message was edited by Don Walters on 28 January 2004 at 07:49 AM.]

And, btw, Don, I'm not using Win95/98. I'm on Win2000, which is what got me into this mess in the first place!

[This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 28 January 2004 at 07:55 AM.]

What is it? Just a small device you can connect to your computer, typically thru a USB port into which you insert your camera's memory card, which then resonds by opening a window that shows the contents of the card as if it were a disk drive. With Win2k it should be that simple.

I paid about $49 Cdn, which is about $30 or so US$. Much handier than connecting the camera to the cptr, IMO.

BTW my camara uses the CompactFlash memory card format. There are others out there but I can't comment on how they work. The brand of card reader I bought (SanDisk) comes with many other formats and typically has slots for 2 different type mem cards.

[This message was edited by Don Walters on 28 January 2004 at 08:18 AM.]

You take the memory card out of your camera and put it in the card reader.

Yes, my DIGITAL camera does use removable memory cards. Only thing is, it also has a (smaller) internal memory, so I guess any photos on that wouldn't be able to come out...

I'm gonna try putting in the PII-333 first, if I can figure out how to get the old one out first!

jc

[This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 28 January 2004 at 08:46 AM.]

If you're still able to, please check out this Intel webpage on Slot 1 mounting.
http://support.intel.com/support/processors/re/24592.htm

Regards

[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 28 January 2004 at 11:22 AM.]

You say your PC does all you need it to..

I say give it a little more time..

It won't do anything...

there are a few ways of getting your software moved over..

Get a new PC and network them both together..then before you drag and drop the old PC to the dumpster, drag and drop the files and programs over to the new PC..

OR.. possibly add your current hard drive to the new system as a slave drive...there may be some OP SYSTEM issues but I think you can over come them. Worse case is you can bring your current HD to a local geek and have them transfer everything except the OP System to another new (Cheap) drive and add that drive to your new system as a slave drive.This would clearly be the fastest way of doing it..

good luck..and don't forget to have fun while you're doing all this stuff..

t

First the good news: After bugging everyone I could think of about how to get the old chip out of my 'puter, I finally found time to make the drive out to the store where I bought it several years ago and where they offer free tech advice. They won't open your computer and touch anything but they were willing to let me open it and they would point and talk; good enough for me! Well, I did have to remove the heatsink with the the chip together and they came out pretty easily once you know which surfaces are supposed to move and which are supposed to stay behind! Duh! I bought a new heatsink too, for $7, and attached it to the new chip tonight (while wearing one of those grounding bracelets), which was easy, and then just snapped it into place. No problem! Duh, again!

I changed the jumper settings (even tho' the tech told me they get bypassed and I'd just need to set the new clock speed to 333 in the BIOS. Went to BIOS on startup, though, and never did find a place that looked like where I would change it from 233 to 333. (Anybody know exactly where that would be?)

Nevertheless, when I finally backed out of Setup mode and let the puter continue booting up, it showed the chip at 333! That's good news!

Now the bad news: My camera still didn't want to talk to my computer! So I thought maybe I should reinstall the camera software so it can get itself aligned with the new hardware properly, etc. (dunno if that's true; I just made that part up). So, I uninstalled the previous version and tried to reinstall it. Can't find my original disc for the s/ware but have some downloaded copies I got from Kodak's website. BUT: Every time I try to install the program, it automatically opens up my AOL! I keep closing AOL, and the installer keeps opening it up again! Over and over and over... and NEVER completes installation.

What's up with THAT? I've seen this problem before, but I sure don't understand it. Do you?

Thanks, dudes,
jc
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Update: I found the original software and that installed successfully (without opening up AOL!) But I still can't get my camera talking to the computer... still working on it. This sux.

[This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 01 February 2004 at 10:30 PM.]

Do you have one of the Kodak "Easy Share" camera's? I have the 3 MegaPixel version with the craddle and it works great on my machine. Here are a few things to check...

1. Have you looked at the Kodak website for any tech updates on the product? Companies release "new" drivers and fixes ALL the time.

2. What happens when you go to "Device Manager" in Windows and find the camera device. Is there a Yellow warning icon for it? Are there any Yellow flags in Device Manager? (To get to device manager in Windows 2000, RIGHT Click on My Computer and then scroll to PROPERTIES, a window will open and select the "HARDWARE" tab at the top. Then select the button that says "DEVICE MANAGER").

3. If you can find the device in the device manager, then highlight it and select REMOVE. Then plug the camera in again to the computer and try and turn on the camera. Windows 2000 should start its plug n' play and find the camera.

Start there and let us know what happens.

Thanks!
Mark

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If you have done that, I might be suspicious of the cable. Can you find another USB cable to use or is the connector proprietary to the camera?

Let me know...

Mark

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OK, when you installed Win2K, you had to specify an "Administrator" password. It makes you specify one. Most people however, just click next and leave it blank. If you remember this, then "log off" of Win2K and then login as "Administrator" as the username and then enter your password. Either the one you specified at installation of Win2K or just leave it empty.

Then once you install as admin, goto Control Panel and double click "User Accounts". Then you will see a list of user accounts. Highlight "your account" and then hit properties. Then you get another window. Then goto the last tab called permissions and then select "other" for the radio button and then pull down "administrator" in the drop down menu. You will then neeed to hit "Apply" and then OK. It will require a reboot to make this change.

I hope that is your problem above. If not, I am almost out of ideas!

Mark

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This thread may now be closed, with my thanks to all participants.

Jimbeaux

[This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 04 February 2004 at 08:29 PM.]

"Always look on the bright side of life..."