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Topic: Ordered a Mac!
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 08 March 2004 10:02 AM
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Yesterday I spent my tax refund on a new toy: an Apple G4 Powerbook. It should be here Wednesday. This should be fun.  I used a Powerbook for some programming work last year, and really enjoyed it. I think this will be a great machine for music and web design tasks. What do you Mac folks recommend for a 2-button mouse? Is there such a thing as a wireless (Bluetooth maybe?) mouse for OSX? A few specs: 15" display 1.25 GHz G4 processor 512 MB RAM 80 GB disk DVD-R/CD-RW Superdrive------------------
Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9), Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6), Roland Handsonic, Line 6 Variax |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 08 March 2004 10:41 AM
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You'll have the EXACT Mac I do, purchased 11/11/03. (except for the RAM upgrade to 1 GB last month).Any USB mouse will work, I often use a Microsoft/Dell two button mouse with scroll wheel. Most of the time I use the one button touch pad. There's a setting to allow the touch pad to respond to taps.I quickly found that I was bumping it with my palm when typing, so I turned that feature off. There's a button there, so it's no loss. I keep Blue Tooth turned off to save a bit of battery power. I use the Airport, but if you don't, turn it off to save power also. This is my first MAC and I'm surprized how happy I am with it. I still use XP in the day job and support my wife's XP at home. Still waiting for PG Music to release their BIAB for OSX. They say it's in beta.
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Greg Simmons Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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posted 08 March 2004 10:51 AM
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Congrats b0b; glad you will soon be enjoying a real computer  ------------------ Greg Simmons Custodian of the Official Sho~Bud Pedal Steel Guitar Website
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Don Walters Member From: Regina, SK, Canada
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posted 08 March 2004 11:22 AM
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I'm weakening ... esp. since O/S X ... |
Cal Sharp Member From: Gnashville
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posted 08 March 2004 11:24 AM
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Way to go, b0b! OSX is where it's at. I have a G4 tower and I use a Kensington 2-button mouse w/wheel. About $15. Belkin makes a wireless Bluetooth optical mouse w/USB adapter for about $75.C# |
Dave Van Allen Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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posted 08 March 2004 01:53 PM
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2 button mouse is indeed the way 2 go with X.. contextual menus appear upon a right click and everthing...i ain't a big fan of blutooth, but that's just the Luddite in me.... |
Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 08 March 2004 03:18 PM
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I like wireless stuff!  |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 08 March 2004 04:56 PM
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I like the Airport Base Station. I can carry the PowerBook anywhere in the (3 story) house and still be connected to the net.I print wirelessly to the shared Laser Printer connected to my wife's PC. I also access a shared folder on that XP computer over the air. I don't see the advantage of a wireless mouse. Maybe it's just me, but I'm always very near my computer when using it's mouse. |
Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 08 March 2004 05:39 PM
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The wire is a nuisance to hook up, though. I have a wireless hub in my house, for Mrs. Lee's ustairs computer and my trusty old Toshiba BIAB laptop (which I may be selling!). When I brought my work Mac home and turned it on, it found the Internet immediately. No wires or anything. So coool!------------------
Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9), Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6), Roland Handsonic, Line 6 Variax |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 08 March 2004 05:57 PM
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Yep, the rare times I take my Mac to work it finds our network.Once I purchased some headphones for it at a large Electronics store. I had my Mac in the car and turned it on to try the phones, in the parking lot outside the store. It found their network and I was surfing the Net while sitting in my car! I felt like a spy.[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 08 March 2004 at 05:58 PM.] |
Bill Llewellyn Member From: San Jose, CA
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posted 08 March 2004 09:20 PM
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b0b,Don't sell that Toshiba laptop until after the 4/3 jam, we need it for BIAB!  Glad you're joining the ranks of Mac. I've been there since 1987. My latest purchase is a G4 tower (QuickSilver) 1.25GHz. It took about 10 years for my Performa 6115CD (with the original PowerPC 601 processor) to lag enough for me to want to replace it (even after appropriate updates), mostly because of CPU speed and lack of OS-X capability. A decade with the same computer. Frankly, I don't know too many other computers that could hold their own for that long, and I'm a picky user. I really like my new G4. I've used Unix at work for about 17 years, so having a Unix-clone OS on the Mac is very cool. If you have Mac questions, email me. I might be able to help. Incidentally, my mouse is a hard-wired USB LogiTech Wheel Mouse, 3-button. Works great. ------------------ Bill, steelin' since '99 | Steel page | My music | Steelers' birthdays | Over 50? |
Cal Sharp Member From: Gnashville
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posted 09 March 2004 07:17 AM
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Here's a vaild reason for a wireless mouse: some digital cameras come with software that enables you to connect the camera to the computer and click a button on the screen to take a picture. With a wireless mouse you could walk across the room and sit down behind your steel and take a picture to post on the Forum. Nobody would ever notice you're holding a mouse in your right hand instead of a bar.[This message was edited by Cal Sharp on 09 March 2004 at 07:18 AM.] |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 09 March 2004 09:25 AM
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Yep, that's one. Here's another:You teach or lecture, and connect your Mac to a projector for the class to see a slideshow presentation. (Powerpoint, or Keynote, or similar). You can walk around with the wireless mouse, and still click it to change slides. Neither applys to me. If I had a wirless mouse I'd tie it to my computer with a piece of wire, so I wouldn't misplace it.
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 09 March 2004 11:12 AM
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What sold me on the new Macs was the Unix shell. Until I found that, it was just another pretty face, sorta gimmicky at that. I didn't see any real advantage over Windows. Then I discovered the shell window and realized "This isn't just a toy - it's a real computer!" Someone pointed out to me that a wireless mouse has batteries that need to be replaced. I hadn't thought of that. Duh! Reconsidering...------------------
Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9), Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6), Roland Handsonic, Line 6 Variax |
Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 09 March 2004 11:13 AM
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I'll be able to run BIAB on it, won't I? |
Earnest Bovine Member From: Los Angeles CA USA
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posted 09 March 2004 11:38 AM
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quote: a wireless mouse has batteries that need to be replaced.
I heard that John Galt has invented a way to extract energy from atmospheric electricity. Maybe you could use that to power the mouse. |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 09 March 2004 12:41 PM
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quote: "I'll be able to run BIAB on it, won't I?"
No. The current version requires you to boot from OS 9, which is not acceptable IMO.The OS X version was set to be released, then was delayed again when Panther (10.3) waas released. PG Music claims the OS X verison is now in beta and close to release. The problem is they've been saying that for over a year. Check the PG Music web site Mac discussion forums for on-going discussions and promises. |
Don Walters Member From: Regina, SK, Canada
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posted 09 March 2004 01:03 PM
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When BIAB runs on OS X I'll probably get one. Joey, I hope I get a chance to chat with you about Macs in Dallas
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Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 09 March 2004 02:47 PM
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Sure thing Don. Joe Wright is a great source of Mac musical info. He has several. One's an old one dedicated to BIAB.
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bob drawbaugh Member From: scottsboro, al. usa
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posted 09 March 2004 06:32 PM
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Bob, so you are crossing over to the dark side. I really love my Mac. If one can love a computer. I still have my windows machine that I must use for work, but I like the Mac better.I really like ilife 04. I have spent hours with it makinf home movies loaded with mp3s and photos. It's great. You want be sorry. |
Bill Llewellyn Member From: San Jose, CA
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posted 09 March 2004 09:07 PM
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b0b, PGMusic is still working on BIAB for OS-X. Many of us are waiting for it. When I did the BIAB honors at the last SJ jam, I dragged my OS 8.6 desktop along, on which BIAB works.Like I said above, hold on to that Toshiba laptop, at least until PGMusic comes through with OS-X BIAB! ------------------ Bill, steelin' since '99 | Steel page | My music | Steelers' birthdays | Over 50? |
Scott Houston unregistered
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posted 10 March 2004 07:34 AM
b0b, congrats on a great new machine! The UNIX aspects of OSX are great, but I'll bet anything you'll be seduced by the whole package in a short while.I don't own BiaB, but from what I recall, I believe you can export BiaB songs in MIDI. If that's true, here's a tip that will keep you busy. Export your BiaB tracks as MIDI. Go to VersionTracker and download a free utility called Dent du Midi, and use it to import the tracks to Apple's amazing GarageBand. Presto, no time lost. You might not find analogous samples for every BiaB instrument in GarageBand, but you'll be able to make it work pretty easily with similar (or better) sounds. Although they are not the same thing at all, GarageBand will make you forget about BiaB in a hurry. It's really cool. I've always been a ProTools fan and user, but for having fun and laying down basic ideas and arragements, cutting and pasting and simple editing, GarageBand is pretty addictive. It has some good amp modeling built in, too. You can even plug in to the audio in jack directly without a pre and get a usable guitar or steel sound straight away. (FYI, if you run GarageBand off an external drive you'll get superior performance). Oh wait, you didn't ask about GarageBand... for mice, I've had several good ones from MacAlly which are good looking and inexpensive, but I don't think they do wireless.
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Bill Llewellyn Member From: San Jose, CA
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posted 10 March 2004 08:27 AM
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Scott, is GarageBand included in the Mac bundle (like iMovie, iDVD, iCal, etc.) or is it retail software?------------------ Bill, steelin' since '99 | Steel page | My music | Steelers' birthdays | Over 50? |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 10 March 2004 08:34 AM
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Garage Band is part of the iLife 4 bundle, iDVD, iMovie, iTunes, and GB all for $49.iTunes is available for free download. The others are not. I have it, but have not yet found the time to learn Garage Band.
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Greg Simmons Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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posted 10 March 2004 09:03 AM
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Joey;I just got an email from Apple Canada and signed up for a full-day GarageBand seminar - I think there's a cross-Canada road show the next few weeks - it's happening in the Big Smoke (aka TO) March 29. details here: http://www.apple.com/ca/musicrevolution/ ------------------ Greg Simmons Custodian of the Official Sho~Bud Pedal Steel Guitar Website
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Scott Houston unregistered
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posted 10 March 2004 10:03 AM
Any Mac sold since January should have iLife (including GarageBand) already installed at no additional cost-if it doesn't, I believe there is a voucher available.Those of us with older machines need to spring for the retail package, which is still quite a bargain at 49 bucks. |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 10 March 2004 11:42 AM
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Thanks Greg! I just recieved their email and registered for the Toronto workshop.It's an even better bargain than the $49 cost of iLife. BTW, it's not a "full-day GarageBand seminar". It's a full day music/MAC seminar. GB is just one of the products in their outline. [This message was edited by Joey Ace on 10 March 2004 at 12:18 PM.] |
David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 10 March 2004 12:21 PM
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bob the Logitech wireles 5 button mouse is very easy on the hand ; great ergonomics. It also has excelent programability. You can set different functions for each program if you choose.2 side buttons, 2 top buttons, and a jog wheel which is also clickable. A small USB tranceiver attaches to the computer and is very good around other electronics. It tracks great and with my bad carpal tunnel it really is a must for me. BIAB has a different interface, but essentially works the same. I have done entire albums starting from MAC BIAB generated midi files as a framework. All your exisiting BIAB song files should be read seemlessly.[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 10 March 2004 at 12:25 PM.] |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 10 March 2004 05:24 PM
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There is no released version of BIAB that will work with OS X.
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 11 March 2004 04:14 PM
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It arrived yesterday, and I played with it a bit last night. It does include GarageBand. I was a bit disappointed that one of the GarageBand demos didn't run because "the hard disk isn't fast enough". It didn't have all that many tracks! GarageBand looks a lot like a stripped-down version of Cakewalk that I have on my PC. I wasn't very impressed. BIAB does a lot of things that GarageBand doesn't do. For example, at jams we can set the number of verses based on how many people are in the room, change the key or change the chord for just one bar. BIAB takes a chord progression and applies a style to it. That's not what GarageBand does at all. Funny thing - the AirPort found my home wireless network (called "downstairs"), but it kept timing out when I tried to access it. "Status: not available" I'm going to tether it with an ethernet wire tonight, just to do the registration stuff.------------------
Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9), Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6), Roland Handsonic, Line 6 Variax |
Bill Llewellyn Member From: San Jose, CA
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posted 12 March 2004 08:02 AM
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b0b,Do check on the security of the AirPort setup. A co-worker of mine told me that when his daughter went off to a dorm at college this past Fall with her AirPort-equipped laptop, she powered up her computer and was instantly online on somebody else's ISP. Her laptop apparently just grabbed the nearest AirPort and hooked up, no questions asked. So do check for privacy settings. ------------------ Bill, steelin' since '99 | Steel page | My music | Steelers' birthdays | Over 50? |
Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 12 March 2004 11:14 PM
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How do I do that, Bill? |
Edward Efira Member From: Los Altos Hills, California, USA
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posted 13 March 2004 07:41 AM
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there are several ways to prevent unauthorized access to your network. you have to launch your Aiport Admin Utility in Applications/Utilities/ the most radical way is to type in the apple id of the authorized computer(s) in the Access Control tab. no other computer will be allowed in. the more standard way is to put a password and check the "create a closes network" checkbox in the "Airport" tab. it puts your base station in a stealth mode, only users who know the name of your network and the password will be allowed in. Last, enable the wireless security to 128 bit WEP. I do all of the above, and although I live in the heart of Hackers Land, nobody ever intruded my network.
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Scott Houston unregistered
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posted 13 March 2004 10:38 AM
Hi b0b,re GarageBand, you probably need to update the application to 1.0.1. You shouldn't get that message afterwards. My machine is much slower than yours and it works great. Even if you don't care for GarageBand, hope you try the MIDI import trick if you feel stranded w/o BIAB. |
David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 13 March 2004 03:55 PM
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Mac's are not hacker proof, but they are not bad, and not nearly as big a target as microsoft systems.It is a good idea to have a decent firewall, but Apple is not bad with security... they have been watching Micorsoft get hammered for years. And NeXT which was the basis for OS X original was very big in bank and stock market business, neccesitating severe security protocols as SOP. Several decades of Unix hacking is embodied in the MAC OS, to our general benifit.[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 13 March 2004 at 03:58 PM.] |
Edward Efira Member From: Los Altos Hills, California, USA
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posted 13 March 2004 05:44 PM
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Donald, Mac OS X includes firewall software you can use to block unwanted network communication with your computer. You can use a firewall to protect all of the services available in Mac OS X, such as Personal File Sharing, Windows Sharing, and Remote Login. Using a firewall protects the services on your computer from users on other networks or the Internet. When you select a service in the Services pane of Sharing preferences, it is automatically selected in the Firewall pane. To prevent that service while the firewall is on, turn off the service in the Services pane.Ed (with OSX help )[This message was edited by Edward Efira on 13 March 2004 at 05:48 PM.] |
Bill Llewellyn Member From: San Jose, CA
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posted 15 March 2004 09:52 PM
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Hey, b0b, how are things going with that new Mac? |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 16 March 2004 04:07 AM
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If using DHCP change the renew time to 20 min.That cured my Airport disconnects.
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David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 16 March 2004 06:30 AM
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Hi Edward. I have OS X, but mostly use it for video editing and not at the moment my main audio work, that is still OS 9. So I am online more in 9.I also have an older OS 8.x Mac as a server for the net with a firewall. New or old I have very few hacker problems. In any case OS X is quite robust, and b0b will be having a fine time with it. |
Bill Llewellyn Member From: San Jose, CA
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posted 16 March 2004 07:42 AM
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b0b writes code for a living, and has worked extensively with Unix. I expect he'll love OSX at least for that reason. (I do.)------------------ Bill, steelin' since '99 | Steel page | My music | Steelers' birthdays | Over 50? |