|
Author
|
Topic: Stupid DVD Labels
|
Cal Sharp
Member From: Gnashville
|
posted 04 December 2004 03:18 PM
profile
Don't put labels on your DVD's. It causes playback problems in some settop/stand alone players, even thought they may play back OK on a computer. I found this out the hard way, through a lot of experimentation and research, and I've been up to my elbows in isopropyl alcohol and paint thinner getting them all off. This is a huge problem, and I'm surprised that it seems to be such a secret. Maybe I can save some of you guys some grief. Go to www.videohelp.com/forum/ if you want some more info.C# |
George Wixon
Member From: Waterbury, CT USA
|
posted 04 December 2004 05:22 PM
profile
This is the first I've ever heard of having trouble like that. I've made plenty of DVD's and have always put a label on them and have had no problems with my home unit which is a JVC model XV-S40. I do know that label material thickness will very depending on who the manufacturer is. Only thing I could ever see being a problem is if the label started to lift and then it would be a problem trying to get the thing back out of the unit.
George |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
|
posted 04 December 2004 06:36 PM
profile
I bought an ink jet printer that prints on CDs and DVDs. It's an Epson Stylus Photo R200. It was only $100 at Staples. I couldn't resist it.
I work for the biggest label company, but I don't think I'll ever use CD labels again. Not that they were a problem - Avery's CD/DVD labels are the best in the world - but why use a label when you can print directly on the disk?------------------
 Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra SD-12 (Ext E9), Williams D-12 Crossover, Sierra S-12 (F Diatonic)
Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, C6, A6) |
Jim Smith
Member From: Plano, TX, USA
|
posted 04 December 2004 07:02 PM
profile
b0b, Epson's web site says that printer, "prints customized designs directly on ink jet printable CDs and DVDs". Are these special CDs and DVDs? I've never seen any labeled as such. |
Cal Sharp
Member From: Gnashville
|
posted 04 December 2004 07:21 PM
profile
I had about 25 DVD's that kept skipping and jerking, and after I took the labels off they all played fine. I had this problem on two different players. Funny thing, though, when I first burned and labeled them they played OK, but a couple weeks later they started having this problem.I've been looking at that Epson R200, too, and wondering along with Jim what exactly constitutes a "printable DVD". |
Jack Stoner
Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
|
posted 05 December 2004 03:07 AM
profile
Like b0b, I use an Epson printer for CD/DVD labels. Most cars with in-dash CD players warn about using paper labels (my owners manual for a Mercury Mountaineer says 'DO NOT" paper labels). I hasve a friend with a new Chevy conversion van and he had a paper label partially come off inside the in-dash CD player and GM would not cover that under warranty and he had to buy a new unit as he couldn't find anyone to even attempt to fix it.The only issue with the Epson printer is you have to use "Ink Jet Printable" CD/DVD blanks. |
Dan Dowd
Member From: Paducah,KY
|
posted 05 December 2004 08:20 AM
profile
Here is a link to a new CD label printer to print directly on the CD/DVD. It is made by Primera and sells for $139.95 from PC Connection. It is a thermal printer for just CD/DVD. Here is a link to more info from the manufacture. http://www.primera.com/signaturez1.html |
Dickie Whitley
Member From: Stantonsburg, North Carolina, USA
|
posted 05 December 2004 04:06 PM
profile
If you're looking to go the Ink Jet Printable CD/DVD route, try www.americal.com for your CD and DVD purchases. I've been using them for a while now and the prices are decent. |
Cal Sharp
Member From: Gnashville
|
posted 05 December 2004 04:44 PM
profile
Great link, Dickie. Here's what they say about labels:(6) Will paper DVD labels hurt my recorded DVDs? For many years, CD-R manufacturers recommended that users NOT apply paper labels to their newly recorded CDs. They felt that the labels' adhesive would harm the sensitive silver reflector by tarnishing it, or that off-center labels might cause the disc to wobble, making it unreadable. These factors are much more important today for DVD recordable discs than they ever were for CD-Rs. On DVD-Rs, the tiny data bubbles that encode the video and audio data are 8-times closer together than on CDs. Even the slightest degradation of the edges of the bubbles due to UV or heat exposure can ruin a DVD-R. Also, even the slightest wobbling during playback can make video tracks unreadable, or produce "jitters" or blinking, horizontal lines, and so on. In some cases, the discs can become completely unplayable. We recommend that if you wish to apply labels to your DVD recorded discs, you use our "no-wobble" discs, together with an appropriate full-face label applicator tool to help you center and prevent bubbles when applying the labels. See these products at... No-Wobble DVD Labels The other solution is to print directly onto the disc itself with a high quality inkjet or thermal printer. We sell special inkjet surface DVD-R discs. See them at... Inkjet Printable DVDs |
Dickie Whitley
Member From: Stantonsburg, North Carolina, USA
|
posted 05 December 2004 05:28 PM
profile
For anyone who is thinking of getting an ink jet printer that does print on IJP CD/DVD disks, the software I use with my Epson Stylus Photo 900 is Surething. You can go to www.surething.com and download. It may not be the best for everything, but it works for me. Hope this helps. |
Jack Stoner
Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
|
posted 06 December 2004 03:01 AM
profile
Epson provides a software package that does a good job with the CD/DVD printing. Also, the Label program in Roxio V7 will print to the Epson disc printers.I also have a Casio CW-50 thermal CD printer. It will only print on certain areas of the disc but I used it for about a year, until I got the Epson and still use it for some applications. I've bought "cheapie generic" CD-R's at Office Max (on sale) that work with thermal printers. |
Ray Minich
Member From: Limestone, New York, USA
|
posted 06 December 2004 07:56 AM
profile
If anything can go wrong it will. I've had some CD labels curl up and wrinkle long after they were applied. Not good for disk or player. They were from a Fellowes Neato system. I avoid any and all adhesive label now. |
Richard Bass
Member From: Hendersonville, Tn
|
posted 06 December 2004 02:50 PM
profile
Epson R200, $89.64 at Sam's Club here in Nashville. Sounds like a deal.
Richard |
Herb Steiner
Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX
|
posted 06 December 2004 06:56 PM
profile
I got the same price as Mr. Bass at the Sam's Club here in Austin. At Fry's electronics I found printable CD-R's in a 100 stack for $24.95, basically 25 cents each (there may be cheaper sources out there). I'm now doing my own duplication of course material since I also bought,at Fry's Electronics, an EZ Dupe 1-3 CD duplicator for $495. I duplicated 24 copies of my Dobro Course in 30 minutes, took about 1 minute each to print them on the Epson. Very cool.------------------
Herb's Steel Guitar Pages
Texas Steel Guitar Association
|
Jack Stoner
Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
|
posted 07 December 2004 03:21 AM
profile
You have to be careful with the CD-R duplicators. Many tend to burn the CD-R's at a high speed. Many car and older CD players have problems playing CD-R's burned at "High" speeds (they will skip or not play at all). I use 8X as my burning "atandard" for all audio CD's that I sell. I used to use 12X but ran into one compatibility problem so I reduced the speed to 8X. |
Greg Cutshaw
Member From: Corry, PA, USA
|
posted 12 December 2004 06:07 PM
profile
We have about 350 CD-R's here and easily over 200 of them have labels. ALL of the CD-R's with paper labels have warped. None of the non-paper labeled (mostly written with a marker by hand)CD-R's have warped at all. The labels I've used are Neato, Avery and CD Stomper. The Cd's range from Memorex to Sony to No-Names. They all still play in the house but many of them no longer play in the car. The car deck's tend to run very hot which seems to dry the labels out and they shrink. The car Cd players also seem to have less clearance to tolerate warped CDs. As they shrink, they pull warping the CD, making it into a convex shape. The warpage is easy to see by laying them flat on a counter and observing their flatness. Quite a few have warped to 3 times the thickness of a single CD. When they fail to play in the car, you can put your ear up close and hear that they are hitting or rubbing against something as they skip are just fail to start. As I said above, the warpage runs across many brands of label and CD'R's. In fact I did an experiment with Avery and CD Stomper labels using both Sony and Memorex CD's. I burned a cd with Sony/no label, Sony/Avery, Sony/Stomper, Memorex/no label, Memorex/Avery and Memorex/Stomper. After a few hours of playing in the cars (Alpine and Pioneer decks) all the CD's were warped to at least 2 CD thicknesses and were making slight thumping noises in the car. None of the non-labeled Cd's warped measurably. After the CD's get so warped that they won't play in the car, you can bend them in the reverse direction and get them to stay flat long enough to make a fresh copy. I have started using just CD markers. It's pretty well documented that the adhesive in the self stick labels is not compatible with the CD-R's. I can't believe they get away with the quality of paper labels that are out there today. The Epson R200 seems like a great printer so thanks for the tip! Greg |
louie hallford
Member From: denison tx
|
posted 26 December 2004 09:32 PM
profile
Have not had problem with the horizontal players but got a quick lesson in the vertically mounted player in my wife's new Lincoln. I think heat must soften the glue. The labels appeared to have tried to roll up.
Luckily the dealership either got to it before ruined or else they replaced the player. Don't remember which. |
Herb Steiner
Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX
|
posted 27 December 2004 06:44 AM
profile
I have used paper labels on some of my steel guitar courses and rhythm tracks. If any of these labels cause the CD to fail, I will replace them with label-less CDs at no charge to the customer. I now have a CD printer and duplicating machine.------------------
Herb's Steel Guitar Pages
Texas Steel Guitar Association
|
Mark Sonnabaum
Member From: Denton, Texas, USA
|
posted 27 December 2004 12:02 PM
profile
I'm a very happy Epson R300 owner and I just started printing cds with it. It blew me away how good they looked. Either the R200, R300, and the newer R320 all print cds as well as being some of the best photo printers on the market. Here's the R200 for $79.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=28-103-160&depa=0 The printable cd's come in silver and white surfaces. You can find the memorex ones pretty much anywhere but they are way cheaper if you buy them online. I've heard really good things about the ritek printables. Mark |
Bill Crook
Member From: Goodlettsville, TN , Spending my kid's inheritance
|
posted 28 December 2004 08:18 AM
profile
b0b............you said: quote:
why use a label when you can print directly on the disk?
I'm haveing a heck of a time feeding them round plastic things through my printer. How are you doing that ??  ------------------
http://home.comcast.net/~crookwf/ http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/crookwf/my_photos |
Mark Sonnabaum
Member From: Denton, Texas, USA
|
posted 28 December 2004 09:21 AM
profile
You have to have one of those Epson printers. The ones you can buy now are the ones I mentioned, R200, R320. They have a little tray that you put the cd in and it sucks it in through the front.
Mark
|
The Steel Guitar Forum
