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Tommy White
Member

From: Hendersonville,Tn., U.S.A.

posted 02 August 2001 07:52 AM     profile     
Lloyd is very interested in finding the
Sho-Bud guitar he used circa 1972-73. This was the first Sho-Bud Lloyd had the pad installed to replace the back neck. The guitar was green in color with a polished frame as the guitar was a "distributed by Baldwin" Sho-bud.The guitar was equipped with 3 floor pedals a 3 knees. It would mean so much to Lloyd if this guitar were found. Thanks for all your help.
Tommy White
John Floyd
Member

From: Somewhere between Camden County , NC and Saluda S.C.

posted 02 August 2001 09:31 AM     profile     
Did this Guitar have a Green Pad. I made a Green Pad for Lloyd when I worked at the Factory in the Early or Mid 70's. Also Covered his amp with the "Leftover" Green Naugahyde from the pad.

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John

Bob Farlow
Member

From: Marietta,GA,

posted 04 August 2001 08:39 PM     profile     
What is the serial number? I worked on Ser. # 1-A-3 today. This was a very nice looking and playing LDG.
Mike Weirauch
Member

From: Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe

posted 04 August 2001 09:58 PM     profile     
This is the guitar that Lloyd had David Jackson to remove the C6th neck and cover it up with a pad. Interestingly, Lloyd told me that when they removed the mechanism and the neck, they weighed it and it weighed 18 pounds. He said it made a huge difference in carrying it to the studio every day.
Jim Smith
Member

From: Plano, TX, USA

posted 04 August 2001 10:16 PM     profile     
You're saying that the neck and mechanisms removed weighed 18 pounds right? Not that the guitar weighed 18 pounds.
Mike Weirauch
Member

From: Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe

posted 04 August 2001 10:34 PM     profile     
Sorry Jim, I meant just the mechanism and neck weighed 18 pounds and not the guitar.
Roland Buras
Member

From: Kiln, MS, USA

posted 05 August 2001 11:12 AM     profile     
I also have a Lloyd Green' Green with Green pad and chrome polished steel, 3 pedal, but i have [4] knee levers.
I am not sure of the year . i can check the serial # tonight . I keep this guitar set up at the Church, i will check it tonight.

Roland Buras

GFI S10pro w/p 3&5 Yamaha sxp990 Profex
LDG~Sho Bud 3&4 w/p Green Session 500

Bob Knight
Member

From: Bowling Green KY

posted 05 August 2001 11:22 AM     profile     
Guys,
The 1-A-3 is not a serial#, it's a casting #.

Sho~Bud serial #s are usually 4 or 5 digit #s with no dashes.

[This message was edited by Bob Knight on 05 August 2001 at 11:23 AM.]

BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 05 August 2001 11:33 AM     profile     
Yep!

[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 19 August 2005 at 03:28 PM.]

Bob Carlson
Member

From: Surprise AZ.

posted 06 August 2001 07:30 PM     profile     
I read In an interview In Steel Guitar World Magazine that when he installed the knee lever to raise the E strings, the only place he had left was the LKR so that's where he put It. That should also help In knowing If you found the first "Lloyd Green Model" pedal steel.

Bob Carlson

R Robichaud
Member

From: Riverview, N.B. Canada

posted 08 August 2001 06:17 PM     profile     
Hi Tommy, I own an LDG Sho-bud, dark green on wood grain, with black padded neck. The frame is aluminum, but legs are chrome. There are 4 knee levers, and 3 pedals. The serial number is 4 digits. I bought the guitar in Toronto from Bob Lusier, around the year 1977-78. Although I have not tried other guitars, I would hate to part with mine.

Roger Crawford
Member

From: Locust Grove, GA USA

posted 08 August 2001 06:36 PM     profile     
Why is it an "LDG" model when Lloyd's middle name doesn't start with a D ?
Roger
Jeff A. Smith
Member

From: Angola,Ind. U.S.A.

posted 08 August 2001 06:42 PM     profile     
"D" is the last letter in "Lloyd", and they liked the sound and look of it????
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 08 August 2001 07:01 PM     profile     
This guitar will never be found because everyone is looking in the wrong place!
Bobbe

[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 08 August 2001 at 07:13 PM.]

[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 21 August 2005 at 07:31 PM.]

BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 08 August 2001 07:29 PM     profile     
As all must know,David Jackson was the designer and manufacturer of all production guitars from '67 on. Shot and Harry did about all the custom work.Most all guitars around today were built under the David Jackson ,or "Music City Manufacturing" label. Duane Marrs,Paul Franklin Sr,,Wayne Bridge, Pat Murphy,Ron and Leslie Elliott, My self, all worked directly for David Jackson. The reason I bring this up is that most people don't realize how much this man did for steel guitar and I feel he should get the accolades he deserves.
David Jackson also designed and built the 4400 Fender steels that the Super-Pro came from!
Bobbe

[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 08 August 2001 at 07:30 PM.]

Roy Thomson
Member

From: Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada

posted 08 August 2001 07:40 PM     profile     

Great stuff Bobbe!!
Keep it up.
B Cole
unregistered
posted 09 August 2001 06:22 AM           
Boy Bobb-e talk about History WOW you are something else. Now Bobb-e which came first the chicken or the egg
Paul Graupp
Member

From: Macon Ga USA

posted 09 August 2001 08:16 AM     profile     
Lloyd took me to the factory one time to restring his guitar. I was doing an article on him and since he introduced me to David, I was going to put a mention about him in the article. But I didn't do it and just as I never did anything on Pete Drake, I really feel bad about both of these missing elements in my writings.

And that goes double for Bobbe Seymour as well. I know the old saying about noone is perfect but in hindsight, I must say, I feel pretty dumb these days. Think I'll go check my forhead in the mirror and see if Stupid is starting to show through yet.

Regards, Paul

Joe Minor
Member

From: Clinton Pa US

posted 12 August 2001 04:12 PM     profile     

Hello Bobbe, that picture off the LLG would be a good addition to your website Joe.
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 13 August 2001 04:42 PM     profile     
I'll present it to my web mistress.
Bobbe
Paul Evans
Member

From: Oshawa Ontario Canada

posted 20 August 2001 09:01 PM     profile     
Hi Bob. I am the guy that bought your Evans amp (and i'm not giving it back) & your Mixer board. all is working well. I was talking with DeWitt "Scotty" Scott yesterday at Al Brisco,s Steel Guitar pick-nic. We were talking about the greats in Steel guitar and your name came up.. Thanks Bob for all your help when we visited Nashville. I also had the privilege to play with Scotty at the pick-nic and it was a highlight in my career. He sure has sweet tones. I hope all of you guys here on the forum will be attending his great event on Labor day weekend. Paul Evans.
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 21 August 2001 08:19 PM     profile     
Bought my mixing board and Evans amp huh? Whew, glad your not mad! How did you get it across lake Erie without getting it wet? It's a tough swim with that much stuff tied to your back, But your a great swimmer. I hear you were the first guy to go over Niagra Falls the hard way,Swimming up the falls from the bottom.Ya gotta be fast! I went to Niagra Falls once, never did "get over it". Good to hear from you Paul, Still have that LDG Sho-Bud?
Bob (better known as Bobbe)
Paul Evans
Member

From: Oshawa Ontario Canada

posted 22 August 2001 09:45 AM     profile     
Hi Bobbe,
Thanks for the response. No I don't have the Sho-Bud anymore. I sold it last year to a girl in Australia. I did buy a Fulawka Steel Guitar 2 years ago and just love it! It is so nice to see you here on the forum. Next time you come to Canada, give me a call, it's been about 7 years since I last saw you (when I bought the mixer board).
Take care...Paul Evans
Savell
Member

From:

posted 19 August 2005 01:38 PM     profile     
Was this guitar ever found?

If so, did Bobbe restore it?

Can we see it now?

[This message was edited by Savell on 19 August 2005 at 01:45 PM.]

Dennis Detweiler
Member

From: Solon, Iowa, US

posted 19 August 2005 02:38 PM     profile     
Do we have a Forum Psychic? At least we could locate the green bones and Lloyd can give it a proper burial?
DD
Jack Stoner
Sysop

From: Inverness, Florida

posted 19 August 2005 03:42 PM     profile     
Johnny Bondz (Bondzinski) who owns Bondz Music in Wildwood, Fl has a "LDG" type Sho-Bud. But, Johnny claims it was made before the LDG models. Johnny used to be the Gretsch and Sho-Bud salesman for Florida or at least central Florida.
David Nugent
Member

From: Gum Spring, Va.

posted 19 August 2005 03:49 PM     profile     
Would this particular guitar still have the opening in the endplate where the C6 neck was removed, or was the endplate replaced?
Larry Robbins
Member

From: Fort Edward, New York, USA

posted 19 August 2005 05:07 PM     profile     
Johnny also used to have "Bondz Music" in South Glen Falls New York. I bought my 71 Gretch Country Gentleman from him. He also used to play on a old local TV show, "The Pete Williams Show" also sold me an old "EMC" 2x12"
amp. Anyone remember them? A really GOOD player and he doesn't know it but he was my insperation to learn the steel guitar. He also was a SHO~BUD dealer at the time. Tell him I said HI!

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73 PRO II, 79/80 PRO III
Steelkings,Fender guitars,Preston covers,
and Taylor(Tut that is)
Reso's
"Of all the things Ive lost in life, I miss my mind the most"

[This message was edited by Larry Robbins on 19 August 2005 at 05:08 PM.]

Luke Morell
Member

From: Ramsey Illinois, USA

posted 19 August 2005 08:18 PM     profile     
I had a Sho Bud like that' it was green had a pad in place of the c6th neck, but it's not the one Lloyds looking for.
Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 21 August 2005 01:26 PM     profile     
Please note that this post started four years ago.

Since it was recently brought back, I felt a current update is needed. Here is the update, written by Lloyd today:

quote:

My original, proto-type L.D.G. has never surfaced since Tommy White's
original posting in 2001. Since no comparable model steel of any brand
existed prior to that steel it was truly an "original".
In it's D-10 state it was built in 1970, and although it must have been a
"Professional" Sho-Bud, that appellation was not on the steel. Instead, as
my studio pictures verify, it merely had Sho-Bud, Nashville, Tennessee in
one upper corner (slightly off parallel), in the other lower column,
Distributed by Baldwin. That is all. There was never an acronym of LDG nor
any other initials on that guitar. It did have the "barrel" system and was,
I believe, the best of any Sho-Bud I've played.
I played it for three years and it became a padded model from December
1972 - May 1973. The end plate of the C6th neck was left open during that
time, because Shot Jackson had David, his son, put all of the C6th parts in
a plastic bag, certain I would want to restore it to original status after I
found out one can't play music on steel without a C6th neck. We weighed the
parts. Eighteen pounds!
Once others around the globe started asking Sho-Bud to build one of those
new creatures we collaborated on the design and marketing of the Sho-Bud
LDG, a model of which is now available from most, if not all manufacturers,
albeit under different names. We failed to copyright and patent the idea.
A few years ago, subsequent to Tommy's post of inquiry, Duane Marrs and
Harry Jackson (of Sho-Bud) both comfirmed to me the virtual certainty the
proto-type was restored to it's original status of D-10 once I returned it
since, at the time the D-10 would have commanded a better sale price. Thus
someone, somewhere has a dark green D-10 Sho-Bud built in 1970 that has
"distributed by Baldwin" in the lower right casing which has significant
historical value and, I suppose, a rather high dollar worth.

-Lloyd Green



[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 21 August 2005 at 04:24 PM.]

Charles Curtis
Member

From: Bethesda, Maryland, USA

posted 21 August 2005 01:59 PM     profile     
I wish I had it; I would love to do Lloyd a favor (all the happiness he has brought me with his recordings over the years).
Jon Zimmerman
Member

From: California, USA

posted 21 August 2005 02:16 PM     profile     
IMHO, could be stripped, refin'd (sunburst?) and sitting right under someone's nose this very moment..Eh?
May even look BETTER than when Lloyd had it..no offense to LLG. (
Ron Randall
Member

From: Dallas, Texas, USA

posted 21 August 2005 07:49 PM     profile     
I don't have it! Have never laid eye on it!
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

Ron

B.Jenkins
Member

From: Parkersburg, WV...U.S.A

posted 22 August 2005 03:52 AM     profile     
The "D" in "L.D.G. Is for Lloyds wife name, He once told me, that L.L.G. didnt look just right so they used his wife initial.
Billy
James Stewart Jr
Member

From: St. Clair Shores, Michigan, USA

posted 27 August 2005 02:34 PM     profile     
HEY WHOA !!! I just read the thread on "SIT Strings" ----someone (in their signature) list their guitar as an " LLG "
I don't mean to stir up a hornets nest but by durn the name of the guitar Lloyd is looking for is there.
Might be it.. James Jr.

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1975 Sho~Bud Pro III Custom (8-7)
1981 Peavey Session 500


Tim Harr
Member

From: East Peoria, Illinois

posted 27 August 2005 07:25 PM     profile     
I heard the same story..

The "D" in LDG is for Mrs. Lloyd Green's first name "DOT"

Thanks

Stuart Basore
Member

From: Madison, TN. USA

posted 28 August 2005 03:54 PM     profile     
I thought that Henning had the guitar in question, but guess I was mistaken. Be cool. Stu.

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