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Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
posted 15 January 2002 11:19 AM
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I just purchased a CD by Merle Travis called "The Best of Merle Travis, Sweet Temptation (1946-1953)". It's got the original Capitol cuts of Merle's with the usual known steel players such as Speedy West, Joaquin Murphy, and Noel Boggs who recorded a lot in the 40's but there's a couple of guys who I haven't heard of and I wondered if anyone could shed some light on them. On Travis' record of Divorce Me C.O.D. and So Round, So Firm, So Fully Packed, the steel player is a guy named Pete Martinez. Also on Sweet Temptation the steeler was named Phil Marx. I've never heard of either one of these guys but they both played pretty dang good stuff on these records which were big hits in their day. This is a great CD as it gives all the credits for each song. Even the date it was recorded and the original Capitol record number. [This message was edited by Jerry Hayes on 15 January 2002 at 11:29 AM.] |
Jim Eaton Member From: Santa Susana, Ca |
posted 15 January 2002 11:23 AM
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NO! JE:-)> |
P Gleespen Member From: Lakewood, OH USA (I miss Boston!) |
posted 15 January 2002 11:27 AM
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YES! |
Jim Smith Member From: Plano, TX, USA |
posted 15 January 2002 11:29 AM
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Sorry, I'm drawing a blank! |
Reggie Duncan Member From: Mississippi |
posted 15 January 2002 11:29 AM
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[This message was edited by Reggie Duncan on 15 January 2002 at 09:00 PM.] |
Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
posted 15 January 2002 11:30 AM
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I hit something and the dang thing posted before I'd even typed anything! ------------------ |
Reggie Duncan Member From: Mississippi |
posted 15 January 2002 11:33 AM
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Something is screwy with posting. I have typed several postings today, and some haven't showed up. |
Ray Montee Member From: Portland, OR, USA |
posted 15 January 2002 01:21 PM
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I thought I knew, but I guess I was wrong! |
Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 15 January 2002 04:24 PM
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I know Pete Martinez. He lives in Wichita Falls TX and was inducted into the Texas Steel Guitar Hall of Fame last year. In addition to recording with Travis and others, he worked with Jimmy Wakely until 1950, when he moved back to Texas and began working for the WF Independent School District. He had a very early Bigsby that was stolen a few years ago, but he's getting back into playing. Phil Marx, however, I am unfamiliar with. ------------------ |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 15 January 2002 04:39 PM
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Herb Is he "Groucho"s brother by any chance To get serious,,,I have heard this name before. There were numerous steel players on the West Coast years ago. Many were middle of the road players. Eddie Busch is another Marx was a semi pop -hawaiian style player I had heard his name mentioned at Fender years ago. Boggs,,Murphey,Les Anderson,Speedy, were I beleive (not sure) that Marx did a session Jo Stafford used the name Cinderella G. Stump Freddy Tavares mentioned many players to me that I never heard of,,,most of them were doing studio work in and around LA. It was told to me that most of the players mentioned in the posts on this thread were "better readers" than the more popular I dont know of a steel player that at one time or another was not in some way shape of form a Fender player. Leo would drop names on me like....did ya ever hear so & so play? Miss Molly recorded by Tex Williams on Capitol had a steel player,,,and it may have been Marx. Man if Jason dont know,,,,who does?? The night I went with Leo to hear Noel play Tavares was really the "chairman of the board One of my favorites is "Anytime: and you ought to hear the licks played by Freddy as he called them "Hot Hawaiian" check that out. [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 15 January 2002 at 05:41 PM.] |
Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
posted 15 January 2002 04:43 PM
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Herb is of course right about Martinez, he's on various Wakely transcriptions between 1946 and 1950, probably pops up in some films as well. Herb? Phil Marx....... I dunno? ------------------ |
Dave Mayes Member From: Piedmont, Ca. |
posted 15 January 2002 05:41 PM
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Jerry, what cuts does that CD credit to Joaquin ? I think the steeler we see in the early Merle soundies ( Vestapol) is Eddie Martin - I think. Maybe I'm wrong. Does Eddie Martin turn up in the credits ? |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 15 January 2002 05:50 PM
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Dave Some of those credits are not accurate. I have seen my name on many credits as the steel player on sessions back here and I was not within 100 miles of the sessions on that day. One LP comes to mind with a "popular western" singer years ago, Jimmy Dale,,he was on Continental records,,I did 2 sides with him,,,,on that LP and the credits were given to me and not the other 2 steel players I called Continental and asked them to correct The steel player who did most of the recording back here for years and years was a man by the name of Vaughn Horton writer of "Mockingbird Hill"....he did all of then Dont take those credits you see to the bank. |
Andrew Brown Member From: Houston, Texas, USA |
posted 15 January 2002 07:52 PM
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Phil Marx was a steel guitarist from San Antonio. He played in the TEXAS TUMBLEWEEDS (later the TX Top Hands) during the war years and later with Tom Dickey and the Showboys (ex-Tune Wranglers). As a vocalist/rhythm guitarist he played w/Smiley Whitley and the Texans and sang on one of their records: 'Forgive Me'/'The Moon, The Stars, and You' on GOLD STAR ('48) -- right after returning from the West Coast. He also played a little w/Harry Choates in '50. There is a picture of him playing w/Choates in Bandera on the Choates' CD entitled "Five Time Loser." After that...who knows? He died in San Antonio around 1980 I think. |
Andrew Brown Member From: Houston, Texas, USA |
posted 15 January 2002 07:54 PM
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Oh yeah...Pete Martinez played w/Tex Ritter in the mid-40s (as did Phil Marx)...he started out with the Miller Brothers circa 1941...he's probably best known for the many recordings he made with BILL MACK on Imperial and Starday in the 1950s... |
Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y. |
posted 15 January 2002 08:15 PM
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Phil Marx. The illegitimate STEEL PLAYING Marx brother that Gummo talked about that one time in the interview for Harpers Weekly. Obviously the black sheep of the family. [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 15 January 2002 at 08:15 PM.] |
nick allen Member From: France |
posted 16 January 2002 12:51 AM
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I have a similar (cassette) Travis compilation, and the tracks with J. Murphy are "Fat Gal" and "I Like My Chicken Fring Size". Nick |
Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
posted 16 January 2002 08:32 AM
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Andrew Brown, izzat AB from the SWM Yahoo list, the Texas 60s list, etc? |
Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
posted 16 January 2002 11:38 AM
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Hey Dave, Joaquin is credited on Cinncinnati Lou, No Vacancy, and a version of T for Texas. Speedy West is on Dry Bread and Kinfolks in Carolina..... Nick, On this CD Fat Gal has Noel Boggs on steel and he's also on Lawdy What a Gal.. I think these are the actual credits as it has the Capitol record number, how high they placed in the charts and how many weeks they were on the charts plus it's a Capitol CD. ------------------ |
Steven Knapper Member From: Temecula Ca USA |
posted 16 January 2002 06:23 PM
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No one mentioned this but Groucho Marx was a VERY compentent 6 string guitar player!!! |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 16 January 2002 06:32 PM
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Nick I beleive Jerry is correct. It was Noel Boggs on Fat Gal & I like my Chicken Fryin size. Nick since you liked my poem so much here is another. Rigga Rigga Ree ,,,kick er in the Knee |
Al Johnson Member From: Sturgeon Bay, WI USA |
posted 17 January 2002 09:22 AM
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Some of you are very sharp Pete was one of my favorites, way back, Jimmy Wakely called his name out many times. Phil Marx, in the 1940's did a lot of recordings with Tex Ritter, as well as Wesley Tuttle and many others, he did alot of studio work in the 40's set up by Wesley Tuttle. Even recorded some steel instrumentals with the Tuttle band Phil Marx did some good stuff. Some great music back then. Al |
Al Johnson Member From: Sturgeon Bay, WI USA |
posted 17 January 2002 09:30 AM
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Sorry Jody, according to the discography in the Merle Travis box set from Bear Family, Pete Martinez did the fine steel work on the Covered wagon Rolled right along. Featured singer was the great Johnny Mercer, one of the owners , at the time of Capitol records and the writer of many hit songs including "Moon River". Seems as if Merle used only the best steel players. Why not? Right! |
Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 17 January 2002 10:05 AM
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Pete is in his 70's and at his induction into the TSGHOF last year, he introduced his steel teacher, who was incredibly excited and looked like a Confederate veteran! Had to be in his 90's! ------------------ |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 17 January 2002 10:43 AM
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Al ,,dont be sorry,,,Im glad you told me. I dont have any of those re-issue things. I had heard it was someone else...Pete was a great player,,,,but then again,,,I thought they were all great,,,and still do. Thanks for the update my friend,,,appreciate |
nick allen Member From: France |
posted 18 January 2002 12:34 AM
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OK... this is one of the things I love about this Forum - being able to get this kind of info. The tape I have is called "The Best of Merle Travis" on Rhino. The notes indicate the following steel players for the following songs... Pete Martinez: - Cincinatti Lou - No Vacancy - Divorce Me COD - Sweet Temptation - So Round, So Firm... Noel Boggs: Joaquin Murphy: The rest of the tracks are Travis solo. The "Boggs" and "Murphy" tracks are all indicated as being done in 1947. So can anyone clarify all this, as to who actually did what? (I'd like to know what I've been listening to all this time!) |
Dave Mayes Member From: Piedmont, Ca. |
posted 23 January 2002 10:34 PM
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Nick, Of the songs you have on your tape, I only have No Vacancy/Cincinatti Lou (78 rpm - Capitol). I can't imagine those cuts are anyone other than Joaquin. Pete Martinez didn't sound like that. Noel Boggs didn't sound like that. |
Jussi Huhtakangas Member From: Helsinki, Finland |
posted 24 January 2002 01:04 AM
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Dave, I think you're right. If my memory serves me right, the Bear Family discography lists Joaquin on those cuts ( plus on few other less known tracks too ). Most likely Joaquin was also on some of Merle's soundies with Carolina Cotton. The all-girl band on those soundies is only "lip" synching the songs. |
Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
posted 24 January 2002 06:18 AM
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The CD I have is called "Sweet Temptation" which on the Capitol Records special markets project so they did the original recordings so their credits should be correct over Bear Family or any other company. Here's the dates of the sessions which featured steel and the players on them. This is in order on the CD, I won't list the cuts without steel. Cincinnati Lou..3/18/46...Joaquin Murphy There were 5 cuts which didn't feature a steel player including: As stated before, this should be the final word as it's from the company who originally made the recordings.......... ------------------ |
Dave Mayes Member From: Piedmont, Ca. |
posted 24 January 2002 08:04 AM
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Jussi, Yes, Yes ! Those Travis/Cotton Soundies with the all girl backup are without a doubt Murph on steel. The tunes are "Why Did I Fall for Abner" and "Texas Home". I'm pretty sure the steel player on other Travis Soundies (No Vacancy,etc.) is Eddie Martin - both in the Soundie and on the recordings for the Soundies. I have a Red Murrell (sp?)Lp that credits Eddie Martin on a few of it's cuts - same sound. |
Jussi Huhtakangas Member From: Helsinki, Finland |
posted 24 January 2002 10:44 PM
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Yep Dave, it's Eddie Martin allright! And how about that triple neck steel he's playing on those soundies!!! Man, it's huge, like a Hammond organ. I heard it was custom made for him and took two or three guys to move it around. |
nick allen Member From: France |
posted 25 January 2002 12:29 AM
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Thanks to everyone, particularly Jerry, for the information. Looking at all the replies, it seems that everyone (those reading liner notes, those going by memory, and those judging by listening) is in agreement!! Is this a record? Nick |
John Floyd Member From: Somewhere between Camden County , NC and Saluda S.C. |
posted 03 February 2002 12:46 PM
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