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Jerry Hayes
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From: Virginia Beach, Va.

posted 15 January 2002 11:19 AM     profile     
I just purchased a CD by Merle Travis called "The Best of Merle Travis, Sweet Temptation (1946-1953)". It's got the original Capitol cuts of Merle's with the usual known steel players such as Speedy West, Joaquin Murphy, and Noel Boggs who recorded a lot in the 40's but there's a couple of guys who I haven't heard of and I wondered if anyone could shed some light on them. On Travis' record of Divorce Me C.O.D. and So Round, So Firm, So Fully Packed, the steel player is a guy named Pete Martinez. Also on Sweet Temptation the steeler was named Phil Marx. I've never heard of either one of these guys but they both played pretty dang good stuff on these records which were big hits in their day. This is a great CD as it gives all the credits for each song. Even the date it was recorded and the original Capitol record number.

[This message was edited by Jerry Hayes on 15 January 2002 at 11:29 AM.]

Jim Eaton
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From: Santa Susana, Ca

posted 15 January 2002 11:23 AM     profile     
NO!
JE:-)>
P Gleespen
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From: Lakewood, OH USA (I miss Boston!)

posted 15 January 2002 11:27 AM     profile     
YES!
Jim Smith
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From: Plano, TX, USA

posted 15 January 2002 11:29 AM     profile     
Sorry, I'm drawing a blank!
Reggie Duncan
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From: Mississippi

posted 15 January 2002 11:29 AM     profile     

[This message was edited by Reggie Duncan on 15 January 2002 at 09:00 PM.]

Jerry Hayes
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From: Virginia Beach, Va.

posted 15 January 2002 11:30 AM     profile     
I hit something and the dang thing posted before I'd even typed anything!

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Reggie Duncan
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From: Mississippi

posted 15 January 2002 11:33 AM     profile     
Something is screwy with posting. I have typed several postings today, and some haven't showed up.
Ray Montee
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From: Portland, OR, USA

posted 15 January 2002 01:21 PM     profile     
I thought I knew, but I guess I was wrong!
Herb Steiner
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From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX

posted 15 January 2002 04:24 PM     profile     
I know Pete Martinez. He lives in Wichita Falls TX and was inducted into the Texas Steel Guitar Hall of Fame last year. In addition to recording with Travis and others, he worked with Jimmy Wakely until 1950, when he moved back to Texas and began working for the WF Independent School District. He had a very early Bigsby that was stolen a few years ago, but he's getting back into playing.

Phil Marx, however, I am unfamiliar with.

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Jody Carver
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From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever

posted 15 January 2002 04:39 PM     profile     
Herb
Is he "Groucho"s brother by any chance

To get serious,,,I have heard this name before. There were numerous steel players on the West Coast years ago. Many were middle of the road players. Eddie Busch is another
who comes to mind.

Marx was a semi pop -hawaiian style player I had heard his name mentioned at Fender years ago. Boggs,,Murphey,Les Anderson,Speedy, were
primarily most popular and did most of the recording work.

I beleive (not sure) that Marx did a session
with Johnny Mercer on Capitol records ,,,the tune was "The Covered Wagon Rolled Right Along"..Also he did sessions with Red Engle
& Jo Stafford when they both were doing a "parody" of pop tunes with a "hillbilly mock" type thing.

Jo Stafford used the name Cinderella G. Stump
and Marx's name was somehow connected as the steel player.

Freddy Tavares mentioned many players to me that I never heard of,,,most of them were doing studio work in and around LA.

It was told to me that most of the players mentioned in the posts on this thread were "better readers" than the more popular
players such as Joaquin,,,Boggs etc and they
had more work connected with recordings that required reading.

I dont know of a steel player that at one time or another was not in some way shape of form a Fender player. Leo would drop names on me like....did ya ever hear so & so play?
My focus was on the players I mentioned...and I didnt pay too much attention to the others.

Miss Molly recorded by Tex Williams on Capitol had a steel player,,,and it may have been Marx.

Man if Jason dont know,,,,who does??

The night I went with Leo to hear Noel play
there were a number of pro steel players in the club,,I met a few that I have never heard of and according to Noel,,,they were fine players. But the known players got most
of the work with the Western groups ,,Texas Jim Lewis,,,Cooley,,Foy Willing,,etc.

Tavares was really the "chairman of the board
of steel players. If Freddy didnt know them
well,,,,,they didnt exist,,I have heard every name mentioned here by Freddy. Funny how I know people who have never heard of Freddy being a fine steel player. You ought to check out his fine playing with Foy Willing Riders od The Purple Sage on Capitol.

One of my favorites is "Anytime: and you ought to hear the licks played by Freddy as he called them "Hot Hawaiian" check that out.

[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 15 January 2002 at 05:41 PM.]

Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 15 January 2002 04:43 PM     profile     
Herb is of course right about Martinez, he's on various Wakely transcriptions between 1946 and 1950, probably pops up in some films as well. Herb?

Phil Marx....... I dunno?

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Dave Mayes
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From: Piedmont, Ca.

posted 15 January 2002 05:41 PM     profile     
Jerry, what cuts does that CD credit to Joaquin ?
I think the steeler we see in the early Merle soundies ( Vestapol) is Eddie Martin - I think. Maybe I'm wrong. Does Eddie Martin turn up in the credits ?
Jody Carver
Member

From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever

posted 15 January 2002 05:50 PM     profile     
Dave
Some of those credits are not accurate. I have seen my name on many credits as the steel player on sessions back here and I was
not within 100 miles of the sessions on that day.

One LP comes to mind with a "popular western" singer years ago, Jimmy Dale,,he was on Continental records,,I did 2 sides with him,,,,on that LP and the credits were given to me and not the other 2 steel players
who played a heck of a lot better than I.

I called Continental and asked them to correct
this,,,they didnt care,,like "so what" who knows the difference.

The steel player who did most of the recording back here for years and years was a man by the name of Vaughn Horton writer of "Mockingbird Hill"....he did all of then
Gov.Jimmy Davis recordings as well.

Dont take those credits you see to the bank.
They are many times inaccurate.

Andrew Brown
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From: Houston, Texas, USA

posted 15 January 2002 07:52 PM     profile     
Phil Marx was a steel guitarist from San Antonio. He played in the TEXAS TUMBLEWEEDS (later the TX Top Hands) during the war years and later with Tom Dickey and the Showboys (ex-Tune Wranglers). As a vocalist/rhythm guitarist he played w/Smiley Whitley and the Texans and sang on one of their records: 'Forgive Me'/'The Moon, The Stars, and You' on GOLD STAR ('48) -- right after returning from the West Coast. He also played a little w/Harry Choates in '50. There is a picture of him playing w/Choates in Bandera on the Choates' CD entitled "Five Time Loser." After that...who knows? He died in San Antonio around 1980 I think.
Andrew Brown
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From: Houston, Texas, USA

posted 15 January 2002 07:54 PM     profile     
Oh yeah...Pete Martinez played w/Tex Ritter in the mid-40s (as did Phil Marx)...he started out with the Miller Brothers circa 1941...he's probably best known for the many recordings he made with BILL MACK on Imperial and Starday in the 1950s...
Kevin Hatton
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From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 15 January 2002 08:15 PM     profile     
Phil Marx. The illegitimate STEEL PLAYING Marx brother that Gummo talked about that one time in the interview for Harpers Weekly.
Obviously the black sheep of the family.

[This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 15 January 2002 at 08:15 PM.]

nick allen
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From: France

posted 16 January 2002 12:51 AM     profile     
I have a similar (cassette) Travis compilation, and the tracks with J. Murphy are "Fat Gal" and "I Like My Chicken Fring Size".
Nick
Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 16 January 2002 08:32 AM     profile     
Andrew Brown, izzat AB from the SWM Yahoo list, the Texas 60s list, etc?
Jerry Hayes
Member

From: Virginia Beach, Va.

posted 16 January 2002 11:38 AM     profile     
Hey Dave,
Joaquin is credited on Cinncinnati Lou, No Vacancy, and a version of T for Texas. Speedy West is on Dry Bread and Kinfolks in Carolina.....
Nick,
On this CD Fat Gal has Noel Boggs on steel and he's also on Lawdy What a Gal..
I think these are the actual credits as it has the Capitol record number, how high they placed in the charts and how many weeks they were on the charts plus it's a Capitol CD.

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Have a good 'un! JH U-12


Steven Knapper
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From: Temecula Ca USA

posted 16 January 2002 06:23 PM     profile     
No one mentioned this but Groucho Marx was a VERY compentent 6 string guitar player!!!
Jody Carver
Member

From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever

posted 16 January 2002 06:32 PM     profile     
Nick I beleive Jerry is correct. It was Noel Boggs on Fat Gal & I like my Chicken Fryin size.

Nick since you liked my poem so much here is another.

Rigga Rigga Ree ,,,kick er in the Knee
Rigga Rigga Rass,,,Kick er in the other Knee ,,,Jerry is correct, dont :fret: Nick
yo da man anyway,,any place anyhow,

Al Johnson
Member

From: Sturgeon Bay, WI USA

posted 17 January 2002 09:22 AM     profile     
Some of you are very sharp Pete was one of my favorites, way back, Jimmy Wakely called his name out many times. Phil Marx, in the 1940's did a lot of recordings with Tex Ritter, as well as Wesley Tuttle and many others, he did alot of studio work in the 40's set up by Wesley Tuttle. Even recorded some steel instrumentals with the Tuttle band Phil Marx did some good stuff. Some great music back then. Al
Al Johnson
Member

From: Sturgeon Bay, WI USA

posted 17 January 2002 09:30 AM     profile     
Sorry Jody, according to the discography in the Merle Travis box set from Bear Family, Pete Martinez did the fine steel work on the Covered wagon Rolled right along. Featured singer was the great Johnny Mercer, one of the owners , at the time of Capitol records and the writer of many hit songs including "Moon River". Seems as if Merle used only the best steel players. Why not? Right!
Herb Steiner
Member

From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX

posted 17 January 2002 10:05 AM     profile     
Pete is in his 70's and at his induction into the TSGHOF last year, he introduced his steel teacher, who was incredibly excited and looked like a Confederate veteran! Had to be in his 90's!

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Jody Carver
Member

From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever

posted 17 January 2002 10:43 AM     profile     
Al ,,dont be sorry,,,Im glad you told me. I dont have any of those re-issue things. I had
heard it was someone else...Pete was a great player,,,,but then again,,,I thought they were all great,,,and still do.

Thanks for the update my friend,,,appreciate
your "knowledge" did he play a Fender?

nick allen
Member

From: France

posted 18 January 2002 12:34 AM     profile     
OK... this is one of the things I love about this Forum - being able to get this kind of info.
The tape I have is called "The Best of Merle Travis" on Rhino.
The notes indicate the following steel players for the following songs...
Pete Martinez:
- Cincinatti Lou
- No Vacancy
- Divorce Me COD
- Sweet Temptation
- So Round, So Firm...

Noel Boggs:
- Three Times Seven
- Steel Guitar Rag
- Lawdy What A Gal

Joaquin Murphy:
- Fat Gal
- I Like My Chicken...

The rest of the tracks are Travis solo.

The "Boggs" and "Murphy" tracks are all indicated as being done in 1947.

So can anyone clarify all this, as to who actually did what? (I'd like to know what I've been listening to all this time!)
Thanks
Nick

Dave Mayes
Member

From: Piedmont, Ca.

posted 23 January 2002 10:34 PM     profile     
Nick,
Of the songs you have on your tape, I only have No Vacancy/Cincinatti Lou (78 rpm - Capitol). I can't imagine those cuts are anyone other than Joaquin. Pete Martinez didn't sound like that. Noel Boggs didn't sound like that.
Jussi Huhtakangas
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From: Helsinki, Finland

posted 24 January 2002 01:04 AM     profile     
Dave, I think you're right. If my memory serves me right, the Bear Family discography lists Joaquin on those cuts ( plus on few other less known tracks too ). Most likely Joaquin was also on some of Merle's soundies with Carolina Cotton. The all-girl band on those soundies is only "lip" synching the songs.
Jerry Hayes
Member

From: Virginia Beach, Va.

posted 24 January 2002 06:18 AM     profile     
The CD I have is called "Sweet Temptation" which on the Capitol Records special markets project so they did the original recordings so their credits should be correct over Bear Family or any other company. Here's the dates of the sessions which featured steel and the players on them. This is in order on the CD, I won't list the cuts without steel.

Cincinnati Lou..3/18/46...Joaquin Murphy
No Vacancy......3/18/46...Joaquin Murphy
Divorce Me COD..7/9/46....Pete Martinez
So Round, So Firm, So Fully Packed..10/19/46
Pete Martinez.
Steel Guitar Rag (vocal)1/12/47..Noel Boggs
T for Texas..12/23/47..Joaquin Murphy
Any Old Time..11/21/47.. Phil Marx
Three Times Seven..10/19/46..Pete Martinez
Kentucky Means Paradise.11/21/47..Phil Marx
Sweet Temptation..10/15/46..Phil Marx
Fat Gal...7/1/47...Noel Boggs
Dry Bread...11/14/50...Speedy West
Lawdy, What a Gal..1/23/47..Noel Boggs
Guitar Rag..4/21/50...Noel Boggs
Kinfolks in Carolina..2/13/52..Speedy West

All tracks recorded in Hollywood and produced by Lee Gillette except Dry Bread and Kinfolks in Carolina which were produced by Ken Nelson.

There were 5 cuts which didn't feature a steel player including:
I'll See You in my Dreams
Re-enlistment Blues
Cannonball Rag
Deep South
Sixteen Tons

As stated before, this should be the final word as it's from the company who originally made the recordings..........

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Dave Mayes
Member

From: Piedmont, Ca.

posted 24 January 2002 08:04 AM     profile     
Jussi,
Yes, Yes ! Those Travis/Cotton Soundies with the all girl backup are without a doubt Murph on steel. The tunes are "Why Did I Fall for Abner" and "Texas Home".
I'm pretty sure the steel player on other Travis Soundies (No Vacancy,etc.) is Eddie Martin - both in the Soundie and on the recordings for the Soundies. I have a Red Murrell (sp?)Lp that credits Eddie Martin on a few of it's cuts - same sound.
Jussi Huhtakangas
Member

From: Helsinki, Finland

posted 24 January 2002 10:44 PM     profile     
Yep Dave, it's Eddie Martin allright! And how about that triple neck steel he's playing on those soundies!!! Man, it's huge, like a Hammond organ. I heard it was custom made for him and took two or three guys to move it around.
nick allen
Member

From: France

posted 25 January 2002 12:29 AM     profile     
Thanks to everyone, particularly Jerry, for the information. Looking at all the replies, it seems that everyone (those reading liner notes, those going by memory, and those judging by listening) is in agreement!! Is this a record?
Nick
John Floyd
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From: Somewhere between Camden County , NC and Saluda S.C.

posted 03 February 2002 12:46 PM     profile     

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[This message was edited by John Floyd on 03 February 2002 at 02:59 PM.]

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