Singing on "Six Days" (CP @ Panther Hall)

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Gerald Menke Member From: Brooklyn, NY, USA	posted 29 March 2002 09:19 AM profile Hey all, Any idea as to who or what is responsible for that "singing" in the "Well the ICC..." verse in Charlie Pride's In Person Live at Panther Hall? It seems to come from the same side as Lloyd, but I'm sure it isn't him. I've long loved this record, it has some of the best steel playing ever, but it has baffled me why the mix engineer would have left that crazy "AHHHHHH!!!" in there. In know this isn't a steel topic per se, but who else even knows this record other than our crowd. Any ideas would be appreciated.
Dave Alfstad Member From: Indianola, IA USA	posted 29 March 2002 09:39 AM profile I know just what you're talking about. It sounds like someone's gear just went haywire right there. I'm not sure who it is but it sounds like Lloyd may have had a problem there. I've wondered several times what that noise is myself. I'm curious to find out. I'm sure that someone here knows the answer, maybe Lloyd himself. ------------------ Dave Alfstad Indianola, Iowa
Reggie Duncan Member From: Mississippi	posted 29 March 2002 01:56 PM profile Lloyd asked me to post the following information concerning this topic: The "Live At Panther Hall" album was recorded on a 4-track tape machine at Fort Worth,Texas on Saturday, June 15, 1968. The sound configuration is not as we were positioned on stage; I was seated stage right, then Jr. Huskey (bass), Chip Young (rhythm guitar), Jerry Carrigan (Drums) ? (electric guitar) and stage far left David Briggs (piano). I had one track, Charley Pride had one and the rest of the band was split among the other two. On "Six Days On The Road" Felton Jarvis, Elvis Presley's producer, who was with us representing RCA Records, simply walked to the left side of the stage where the piano mike sat and started humming off key, thinking it was cute. Needless to say there was some drinking going on that night. When Jack Clement, the producer of Charley's records, started remixing later there was no way to expel that "Noise" without eliminating the song, and decided to leave it as it was. Obviously this is a flaw on an otherwise magical record. Interestingly, there exists another 90 minutes of recorded music from that night which is falling apart somewhere in RCA's vaults, most of it as good as what eventually was released. I, and others who know of it's existence, have tried to get RCA and Jack Clements to edit the rest of the music and release it as a "Panther Hall 2". Nobody seems interested so it will probably never surface. I sure would like to hear the rest of what Charley sang and I played that night. I was really "in the zone"! For the record, I played my double-neck, finger tip Sho-Bud through a Fender twin with 2 12" D-120F speakers. No effects, no gimmicks, just pure steel guitar. That keeps one honest and keenly aware of what you are doing. Lloyd Green
Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY	posted 29 March 2002 02:07 PM profile Fantastic. Thanks Lloyd. Thanks Reggie. Thanks Gerald for asking. It's funny--I never even heard that as vocalizing. I always thought it was something electrical--I even entertained the idea that it was something Lloyd was doing--diesel noises or something---except that it sounds like crap so that doesn't wash! Just listened to this the other day because of all my records, this is the one I go to when I want honest and straight-up.
Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA	posted 29 March 2002 06:10 PM profile Thanks, Lloyd! Hey everyone, I just got 6 more copies of that CD from my distributor. You can order it from the Forum Catalog. ------------------ Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (F Diatonic) Sierra Laptop 8 (D13), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6)
Frank Estes Member From: Huntsville, AL	posted 30 March 2002 02:30 PM profile Hmmm...I figured it was some intended sound affect related to trucking. Were there strings on the back neck of Lloyd's Sho~Bud at that time? I wonder if RCA would consider releasing the rest of that music, if we all would sign a petition and/or pitched in a few bucks. It is such a shame for it not to be heard. ------------------ Frank Estes - The Country Jazz Mullen
Mike Weirauch Member From: Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe	posted 30 March 2002 07:18 PM profile quote: Needless to say there was some drinking going on that night. ......Really? I bet I know one musician that wasn't!
Reggie Duncan Member From: Mississippi	posted 30 March 2002 10:41 PM profile Frank, about Lloyd's equipment that night, in his own words: I played my double-neck, finger tip Sho-Bud through a Fender twin with 2 12" D-120F speakers.
Gerald Menke Member From: Brooklyn, NY, USA	posted 01 April 2002 01:17 PM profile Wow. How about that? Thanks so much Lloyd and Reggie, I had no idea I would get the answer from the man himself. Regarding the other 90 minutes, really fascinating; as fate would have it, I work in the office of the chairman of Bertelsmann, the company that owns RCA; I think it behooves me to find out if anyone knows of the whereabouts of those tapes. I am sure they're here somewhere. Will keep you all posted. Again serious thank you's to Lloyd and Reggie. Much obliged.
scott murray Member From: Orange Park, FL	posted 01 April 2002 01:31 PM profile wow. cosmic... i always wondered who that was too... actually thought it might be Lloyd feelin'good after taking that classic ride. but of course Lloyd's too professional to do that. ( i do recall Lloyd saying he was a "couple Coors in" when they let roll that nite, though and what a great recording set-up. The steel and Charley each had their own mic! ...also intersting that Chip Taylor was playing on that one. Actually i guess that's Chip strumming in the lower left corner of the album cover. And you can see Lloyd's fingertip tuning pegs on the right. Such a CLASSIC!!! Gotta hear those extra tracks!!!! [This message was edited by scott murray on 01 April 2002 at 01:46 PM.] [This message was edited by scott murray on 01 April 2002 at 01:47 PM.] [This message was edited by scott murray on 01 April 2002 at 01:48 PM.]
Glenn Suchan Member From: Austin, Texas	posted 01 April 2002 02:28 PM profile I love the "air horn" vocalization on that cut. I never was able to figure out who would have done that. I thought maybe Lloyd, like the Big E, had a silly streak goin' at times. Or maybe someone was just tryin' to immitate Errol Garner or Lionel Hampton. Thanks for the historical (hysterical) insite, Lloyd and Reggie! Keep on pickin'! Glenn
Frank Freniere Member From: Palos Park IL	posted 06 April 2002 08:53 AM profile Great thread. Gerald, if you could dig up (and distribute) the other 90 minutes of Charley and Lloyd at Panther Hall, it would be like finding the Dead Sea Scrolls all over again.
Roger Rettig Member From: NAPLES, FL	posted 06 April 2002 07:38 PM profile I'm SO glad someone's brought that up - AND that we've had the explanation from an unimpeachable source! I had this on vynil many years ago - it was recommended to me as I began learning steel by my good friend, Gerry Hogan, as being the epitome of E9th expression - and had forgotten 'that noise' until I listened again just this week. There it was again, and the digital process, or whatever it is that CDs go through, had done nothing to diminish that awful drone! But the steel playing is wonderful - such impeccable taste, tone and execution - I really had forgotten how good it was - many thanks, Lloyd! My thanks to b0b, too, for getting the CD to me in such a timely fashion - if any of you guys haven't heard it, I'd venture to say that it's 'essential listening' for the serious student of pedal steel... ------------------ Roger Rettig Emmons LGIII(D10), MCI D10 and Fender Stringmaster (triple-8)

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