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Ray Montee Member From: Portland, OR, USA |
![]() Just had my first chance to view some videos the wife purchased over the telephone from some high pressure sales type that wouldn't take NO for an answer. These videos were supposedly copied from "ORIGINAL" film taken at the Grand Ole Opry. What I've seen thus far is "pathetic"!!! Tonight, we watched "SECOND FIDDLE to a STEEL GUITAR".......a movie. Some dude was mimicking some red neck playing a hang around the neck steel guitar. It turns out this "guitar" was a prewar Rickenbacker Bakelite. When his wife enters the room looking for him, this moran slams the guitar onto the floor and shoves it under the daveno or whatever it was. Almost made me cry! Another Rick was on eBay recently and it too appeared to have been badly abused. How can this happen? Is it a trend? |
Damir Besic Member From: La Vergne,TN |
![]() That is one of the resons why I can`t stand Garth Brooks.He may be a nice guy,but he is an idiot to me. Damir ------------------ |
Jim West Member From: Vista,CA |
![]() Damir, I agree with you. I have never, for the life of me, understood why Garth is so popular. He sounds like he is doing someone else's songs, especially when he did, "I'm Shamus" ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Terry Wendt Member From: Nashville, TN, USA |
![]() quote: 'ts what I heard - ------------------ and appearing regularly... |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada |
![]() "Shameless" is a Billy Joel song. Garth is a product of mass-marketing, circa 1989. The suits will try forever to duplicate this "commerical-sucess". Very much like they're still trying for the next Beatles. Sorry for the topic-drift. |
Allen Peterson Member From: Katy, Texas |
![]() Garth Brooks, "Who" does he think he is anyway? Not the first one to smash a guitar on stage, probably won't be the last unfortunately. |
Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
![]() Here we go again with the Garth bashing. I guess y'all are just jealous of what ol' Garth has accomplished. I personally think he's got a lot of talent, a very good voice, and is one helluva an entertainer. Just 'cause he's got all the money in the world ain't no reason to hate him. He's had some great songs in his career. A whole lot more people like him than don't like him as his career will attest to. I liked the way he did the old Fleetwoods tune "Mister Blue" and made a western swing song out of it. And also to his credit he uses a whole lot more steel guitar than a lot of them out there do. Let's quit bashing ol' Garth and give him credit for what he's done. I love to play steel on "Shameless" "The Dance", "Beaches of Cheyenne" and any number of Garth songs. The boy's got it, don't you get it? ------------------ |
Allen Peterson Member From: Katy, Texas |
![]() I personally like Garth Brooks and think he is a good singer with a lot of talent. As far as being a good entertainer goes, supposing smashing a perfectly good Takamine guitar on stage qualifies as entertainment, so be it. I think this is what today's Garth bashing on the forum is all about. Think of all the poor starving musicans that would just love to have the guitar he smashed. Sorry, I'm not amused or entertained. |
Larry Bell Member From: Englewood, Florida |
![]() I agree, Jerry You certainly call it like I see it. It's fine to be passionate about a certain style of music, but one can miss a lot of good music by excluding everything else. And, I have it on good authority that Garth Brooks is really NOT the Antichrist. What about sacrificing a car or an entire building while making some sensationalistic violence-laden movie? [This message was edited by Larry Bell on 17 June 2002 at 01:19 PM.] |
Allen Peterson Member From: Katy, Texas |
![]() Larry, I guess if you really wanted to entertain the folks you could saw your 2000 Fessenden in half on stage. I have to admit I would probably pay to see that, but I would need a box of Kleenex to wipe the tears away. Back when I was 18 in 1969 I saw Jimi Hendrix smash his Strat after he had already torched it. Then he proceeded to run a drumstick through the speakers on his Marshall stack. After that for the final touch he pushed the drum kit off the stage. Now that's entertainment at its best. |
Ray Montee Member From: Portland, OR, USA |
![]() That kind of personal conduct.....used to be called immaturity...by a spoiled, out of control brat; mental disease or defect. Today, it's called entertainment?? Gee's! |
Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y. |
![]() I agree, Garth Brooks is not the anti-Christ. But I have it on good authority that he is the anti-Hank. |
Mark Herrick Member From: Los Angeles, CA |
![]() As I recall Hendrix's act, at least the one I saw, before he did the "destruction" routine he switched from his signature white strat to a different guitar. May not have been a strat at all. Don't know if anyone was making cheap strat copies at the time, but then again, a strat at that particular time probably cost less than $200! Also, the extension speaker cabinet that he "destroyed" had noticeable wear in the areas where he had whacked it in previous shows. He was careful to only hit those particular areas. Who knows, the speakers he destroyed could have been non-functioning to begin with. [This message was edited by Mark Herrick on 17 June 2002 at 03:26 PM.] |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada |
![]() Joe Wright has claimed to be the "Anti-Price". I once saw a Garth interview where he apologised for smashing the Guitars. And Jerry, I agree with your post. |
Stephen Gambrell Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA |
![]() And Jimi never, EVER, sounded like Mr. Haney! Move Over, Rover!! |
Pete Burak Member From: Portland, OR USA |
![]() Who is/are Garths steeler/s (Stage/Studio) and what kind of steels do they play? [This message was edited by Pete Burak on 17 June 2002 at 06:28 PM.] |
Larry Bell Member From: Englewood, Florida |
![]() I believe that Bruce Bouton plays on most of his sessions. Steve McClure was his road player last time I saw them on TV where credits were shown. He played a D-10 Sierra. On the OTHER topic, we come from a heritage of gladiators, the WWF, violent movies, and demolition derby. Why does it strike some of us so strange that someone might trash a guitar on stage? Is it just that it's a guitar? ------------------ |
Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
![]() I have to be included in the group of guys that like Garth Brooks, and I've had many conversations with Justin Trevino and Johnny Bush about this topic... of course, they hold the opposite opinion to mine. ![]() Justin says that for every "Tomorrow," there's a "Rodeo." Hmmm... I'll have to do a recount. Show biz is show biz when smashing a guitar onstage, but how many forumites would secretly love to be able to get up onstage with Garth, read him the Riot Act about ruining country music, then grab the guitar away from him, and smash it themselves!!??!!?? Lots of y'all? I thought so! ------------------ |
Steven Knapper Member From: Temecula Ca USA |
![]() I was going to add my 2 cents about Brooks high fiveing 2 Takamine's on stage, but what's the point when he's not doing it anymore. It made me mad cuz at the time I would have given my left n-t to have one of those. Who was it that wrote the song "Who do they think they are, smashing a perfectly good guitar"??? 'bout say's it all for me. |
Rick Aiello Member From: Berryville, VA USA |
![]() John Hiatt |
Steve Stallings Member From: Bremond, Tx, pop 876, Home of the fighting Bremond Tigers |
![]() A perfectly good guitar and Takamine is an oxymoron ![]() ahem..... just kiddin ya know. I can't help it if I'm partial to Martins. ------------------ |
Jim West Member From: Vista,CA |
![]() I have never said I hated Garth. I don't even know the guy. I just said I have never understood his popularity. His songs, to me, sound shallow. They then take these songs and boost them with a pop production values and then tell the record buying public that this is what country music is. It was mentioned that he does use a lot of steel guitar in his songs. My take on that is whenever the suits want to make a song "country" they simply add a steel or a fiddle sawing in the background and voila! a country song. Garth's people have done a good job of taking, for the most part, shallow pop songs and selling them as country music. Garth is a product of slick marketing and packaging. I've seen him interviewed and he seems like a real nice guy but from the artistic standpoint he's all sizzle and no steak. |
Allen Peterson Member From: Katy, Texas |
![]() Steve, You've got a good point, although I'd take a Taylor over a Martin these days, unless it was an old Martin of course. Two of the guys in my band have these anniversary 2000 and 2001 Takamines that sound pretty good. |
Bruce Bouton Member From: Nash. Tn USA |
![]() I can't believe I let myself get sucked in to this BS once again but since I've played on every Garth Record I can probably speak with a bit of authority. I won't render an opinion on peoples taste in music cause that's what makes the world go round.However, for someone to call Garth Brooks records big pop productions they must not be listening to the rest of pro-tooled country radio. All of the Garth records were recorded on 24 track analogue tape and mixed on a Quad Eight board without automation. Most of the time the songs were charted as we listened to Garth play them on an acoustic guitar. Many times the records you heard on the radio were the actual recording, vocal and all , that happened on the take. Now for the guys that recorded in the sixties and seventies that was the status Quo.Back to the truth. Also Garth never used any vocal tuning on his records. You can actually hear flat and sharp notes on some of the performances. Try finding that on any on todays records. Also most of the reverbs came from an actual chamber.We never recorded with a clicktrack because Garth and Alan felt like it took away the feel.Basically everything we did was so under produced that it made Garths records sound different than anything else on the radio.There were alot of parts I wished I'd played different or better but in retrospect it didn't matter. As far as Garth's success being the resul;t of slick marketing well.... I guess if working three hundred dates a year and never charging over fifteen dollars a ticket(While the average ticket was forty bucks)and doing free concerts in each market during the day for the sick and handicaped was slick marketing then more power to him.I'm obviously biased in favor of the man and I can't believe I'm wasting my time with this rant but I feel like I need to shed a little light on things.Garth Brooks takes nothing for granted and he's one of the nicest and most loyal people I have ever met. BB |
Larry Bell Member From: Englewood, Florida |
![]() Tell 'em, Bruce. Your loyalty is admirable and I, for one, appreciate your attitude as well as I appreciate your consummate musicianship, all 'leg humping' aside. I certainly have no stake in this debate, but I've seen Garth take time from TV appearances to personally accept every gift from every fan and that is RARE. I have seen nothing phony or pretentious from him and his leagues of fans are among the most loyal in the business. You don't get where he's at by biting the hand that feeds you. I guess his cardinal sin is that every song isn't a clone of 'Pick Me Up on Your Way Down'. Garth Brooks has put the steel guitar before more fans in ten years than Ray Price has in his entire career. Although perhaps happenstance, I thank him for that and respect the way he has conducted himself whenever I've seen him in performances or interviews. He has won my respect. Granted, there are some of his songs that aren't my favorite, but the Ray Price 'string period' didn't set my heart a'flutter either. ------------------ |
Eric West Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA |
![]() To Bruce: I remember you from Saturday Mornings at Oxon Hill Music in 78-9. I was usually there for my lesson around noon. I was far less advanced at the time, and I spent a lot of time listening in the hall there in Leo's Store. It's good to hear you've been doing so well. I remember the earlier jam sessions at Hunters Lodge, the VB in Suitland, and a couple others. You put a lot of spark in Charltons eye, and still do, I'm sure. Sid Hudson was just over 21 then. Remember Roy and the String Dusters? I've gone on to just play steadily over the years here in Portland, and was not too surprised to hear you with Ricky Scaggs in the 80s. Lately I'd been wondering what became of you. I've been more like just a regular bush league "tradesman" with an old Sho-Bud I bought from Leo Kellar all those years ago, and I've worn off countless dozens of sets of strings. I like being where I am, and doing what I've always done here. Playing Steel, and having a home, and a hobby besides nusic. I can't handle the "Boards" here, though I read it all. It's just not where I "live". It was good to get Don West's # and give him a call wishing him well, and finally getting permission for using his last name since 1980. He taught me a lot. Mostly "attitude". Other than that, I think it detracts from the way I view my "trade", and invites me into things I'd rather not deal with locally. My thing is playing, working, and building old bikes. You were and are perhaps Buddy's finest example, and I salute you. Music is what it is. Sometimes people's frustration with things in their own lives manifests itself in endless disdain for what they can't understand. I Loved Jimi Hendrix. I've got every song he ever recorded. I'm going to pop in the old BBC CDs tonite..( Devil Indeed! ) Playing in tune, on time, loud, and in front of other people, and doing so often, are things there are just no substitute for. Garth's songs have made me a bunch of money. Never got a bill from him. What the Hell.. Sometimes a guy needs to speak out. I feel like I needed to do so to thank you for being a good example. 24 or 5 years has just seemed to whiz by... Best wishes, and thanks. Eric Lundgren (West) |
Richard Sinkler Member From: Fremont, California |
![]() I also can't believe this thread turned into a Garth rant. While I personally wouldn't walk across the street to see him play for free, I certainly respect his contributions to the "country" music scene. Heck, I even like a good number of his songs. I only dislike his stage show. I have been guilty in the past of "Garth Bashing". But, no more. Bruce, it sure would be nice to see you on here more often and not only when someone decides to bash Garth. You are an incredible player and would love to hear more from you on the forum. ------------------ |
Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y. |
![]() Sorry Bruce, just kidding. He is not my favorite, but your work on his records is A1 topshelf! It has promoted steel guitar greatly. |
JamesMCross Member From: Houston, Texas, USA |
![]() I have only recently begun to play the steel guitar seriously, after having fiddled around with it for longer than I want to admit and getting absolutely nowhere. There are many things which have helped me to learn, but at least two of these things bear mentioning in this thread: 1) Bruce's video, and I will say, I count myself extremely fortunate to be able to play the kind of jobs I am playing, and I am real happy there are guys like Garth and Bruce out there producing music that I can learn from, and then try to reproduce. Whether in the dance hall or on the local oprys or at a wedding party, it is great work if you can get it, and from my perspective, a bad night playing steel guitar beats a good night doing almost anything else. Best wishes to all - and many thanks to Bruce, Garth, and every one else who makes the music business what it is. Jim Cross p.s. I smashed my Gibson SG one time, back in 1980, during a brawl in a club in SLC. I was playing in a 6-piece country rock band back then, with 3 guitarists. It did not go over at all, and it cost me $200 to fix it... It still plays though. [This message was edited by JamesMCross on 21 June 2002 at 12:43 PM.] |
Robert Rogers Member From: the big town of Petersburg,Tn"Blink and You'll miss it" |
![]() Nothing against his band.when i say this I mean it towards Garth Brooks himself:I wouldn't walk across the sreet and pay 10 cents to see him!just my two cents. Robert |
John Russell Member From: Austin, Texas |
![]() I think Garth's a great talent too. I have played his songs many times onstage and I think his stuff holds up pretty well over time. I suspect his sound is irritating to many "traditionalists" of which I include myself, mainly because of all the "Garth clones" that came along right after him. I generally avoid that high-energy '90s style country music since I had to play so much of it during that time. Looking back, there were some very good songs among the bombast and that's true of most eras. Listen to some of the bigger hits from the '60 and they weren't all Ray Price, Roger Miller and Buck Owens. Lots of sugar-coated "stuff" sold real well. --JR |
Ray Montee Member From: Portland, OR, USA |
![]() Bruce...... so glad to have your contribution here on the Forum. THanks much for sharing your insite with us. And Bruce.....I've known Eric West for years now, ever since he adopted my dog "Ralph".....and all he has ever talked about is the days and lessons he took from you. So glad he's had this opportunity to once again share with you. Eric is unique and a fabulous steel man. Please don't stay away so long. |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada |
![]() Thanks for the Garth recording details, Bruce. It's very interesting. I too wish you'd post more, not just when someone ruffles your feathers. |
Eric West Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA |
![]() Ray. Bruce was taking some studies with Charlton the same time I was back then. I did listen to him many times in those little eastern shore type venues, and there was no doubt that he was going places I never could. I was just a GI in DC with a year or so on my hands to get a good foundation. I'm sure Bruce would agree. Buddy was the best place I could have gotten it. EW BTW, Why don't you share some of that old stuff with some of those minus a lot of the old building blocks? |
Bill Llewellyn Member From: San Jose, CA |
![]() I like a lot of Garth's material. I never liked the guitar bashing (I found it pretty disturbing, actually), and I'm glad he's over it. And I love Bruce's playing. It was very interesting to read about how Garth's sessions go. Thanks, Bruce. Garth was instrumental in bringing Trisha Yearwood into the limelight, wasn't he? I believe she used to be a backup vocalist for him. I really like Trisha Yearwood. Back to the main topic, abusing steel guitars. I'm still clinking away on my old MSA, trying to do it right but still making the dog down the street howl. Does that constitute abuse? ------------------ |
Joe Henry Member From: Ebersberg, Germany |
![]() The title of this thread is misleading. I thought it was about STEEL GUITAR ABUSE in general, such as careless players reducing a beautiful guitar into a piece of scrap etc. I´d know a story or two about that. Instead, it´s all about bashing/defending Garth Brooks. It should be called "GARTH BROOKS". Personally, I´m not a fan of his, but who cares? b0b, how about moving this to the "Music" section. |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada |
![]() Yes, it's weird how the topic changed.
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Jim Bob Sedgwick Member From: Clinton, Missouri USA |
![]() Some of the rock bands that used to use steel guitars, would smash them at the end of the night. This ceased due to too many hernias incurred by such action. ![]() |
Ray Montee Member From: Portland, OR, USA |
![]() b0b........go ahead and close this thread. My best effort was a waste of time, I guess. I'll go along with their recommendations. |
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