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Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 03 September 2002 08:46 AM
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I was happy to learn of S&J's induction into the HOF. I have know'n these two fellows before they started shaving. I want to acknowledge a friend and uncle of Santo & Johnny,,,his name is Mike Dee,,he was The first time I met them,,,was way back before their rise to the top of the charts,the group was called,,,Mike Dee and Mike played drums on the original "Canadian" I will copy this and send this to my friend Copyright (C) by Jody Carver 2005 All Rights Reserved [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 18 June 2005 at 01:08 PM.] |
Paul Graupp Member From: Macon Ga USA |
posted 03 September 2002 09:16 AM
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Well, Jody !! It's like Jim Cohen says: BEATS WALKING !! Regards, Paul |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 04 September 2002 09:02 PM
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Some people like "Oatmeal" I like "Cream Of Farina"..... bOb...Im bombing out here,,close this show,, |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 04 September 2002 09:04 PM
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Save the Box tops,,,,,they may be worth something someday. |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 04 September 2002 09:09 PM
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Better yet ,,,try "ALL BRAN" it keeps ya on the "GO". UP TEMPO,, |
HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y. |
posted 05 September 2002 06:51 AM
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It's amazing, the longevity of "Sleepwalk" and how great an influence it was and still is. I loved the style of those days, the DA haircuts, the skinny ties,the sharkskin sport jackets, the pointed shoes.....I was born 10 years too late to really be in that generation. Now I don't have enough hair to get that squiggly thing in front, my feet cry out for comfortable shoes, I can't fit into tight pants, and sharks are biting back, taking limbs with them. Oh well at this stage of the game, being born 10 years later is not so bad. |
Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 05 September 2002 08:48 AM
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I also survived that era.....trowsers with 14" cuffs that you had to almost grease your feet to get 'em on (made all of your shoes look like size 18's), 2" ties with button down collars, short three button jackets (Beatles style). My haircut was a ducktail on the sides, but a crew-cut on top......called a "boogie". Then later we washed the "rose hair oil" out and went to the "dry" look, and the hair then fell down to our shoulders and that began another era. .....but the most positive thing I remember about that time of life was that..."I was young!" I try to remember that when I find myself getting "judgemental" about some of the today fads of young people! Bless 'em all, they are only young once! ....and for the thread, I must have played "Sleepwalk" a thousand times back then..... [This message was edited by Gene Jones on 05 September 2002 at 08:54 AM.] |
Joe Casey Member From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9) |
posted 05 September 2002 09:03 AM
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Johnny was a gentleman and cordial at the show.When he spotted my Spring Hill FL. home town on My badge we got into a conversation about Johnny Maestro who lives here in Spring Hill. Johhny still does shows with the Brooklyn Bridge that features J.M. as the lead singer. (remember sixteen candles)?Thas Johnny M. No one deserved to be in the H.O.F. more than S&J.Johnny showed us why too with a performance of a few songs and the only steel guitar song to ever win a "Grammy"."Sleepwalk". a great and deserving gentleman.As was Pee Wee Whitewing. ------------------ |
Rich Weiss Member From: Woodland Hills, CA, USA |
posted 06 September 2002 11:41 PM
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So Johnny was the steel player, correct? What instrument did Santo play? Which one of the two wrote Sleepwalk? |
Don Sulesky Member From: Hernando, Fl. usa |
posted 07 September 2002 04:52 AM
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I met and talked with both Santo and Johnny in Canobie Park in N.H. in 1960 at a touring show they were part of with Duane Eddy and others and at that time Santo was the steel player and Johnny was the guitar player as shown on my Canadian American album in mono. I do say.As to who actually wrote the song i'm not sure but the credits on the sheet music I have from 1959 say Santo, Johnny and Ann Farina. Don |
George Mc Lellan Member From: Duluth, MN USA |
posted 07 September 2002 06:23 AM
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Did anyone tell Johnny about the Forum? Ya never know, there may be a chance he's not aware of it. He'd sure be great asset to us. (IMHO of coarse) I'm still whining to my wife about missing the ISGC this year. ------------------ |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 07 September 2002 07:16 AM
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Santo played steel on all the recordings,, Johnny played rhythm guitar,,till,,well,they both went their seperate ways. No big problem with them,,the usual brother Both of these guys are fine guys,. Gene,,did you ever use that "green pomade" on your hair? It would make the hair "pompadour" as hard as a rock,. My mother wouldnt let me dress that way,,it was a white button down shirt,,trim plaid pants and "penny loafers" Beleive me,,I still have the same suit I wore But remember,,Mike Dee was the "force" behind Take care Copyright (C) by Jody Carver 2005 All Rights Reserved [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 18 June 2005 at 01:19 PM.] |
Rich Weiss Member From: Woodland Hills, CA, USA |
posted 07 September 2002 10:07 AM
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So if Santo played the steel guitar on all the recordings, why is Johnny the one who got voted into the SGHOF? Are you all sure that it was Santo who played the steel on Sleepwalk? |
Bill Hankey Member From: Pittsfield, MA, USA |
posted 07 September 2002 10:07 AM
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Jody, I first heard "Sleepwalk" in my place of employment in the summer of 1960. I'm so glad that you have explained who originally did the hit recording. Gloria Pennington of National Music Foundation said in September of 1999, after hearing comments made about the two brothers, at our Annual Ma. Steel Guitar Bash, " Johnny Farina was one of the first entertainers to come to the Foundation, and what a wonderful time he provided for the audience. When I go home tonight, I'm going to call Johnny, and ask him if he would join us at next years S.G. Bash." According to Johnny, he was booked a year ahead at "Foxwoods Casino" in Ct. As it turned out, the N.M.F. relocated in New York City, and the Ma. Bash was held the following year in Lee, Ma. We were so fortunate in 1999, when "Buzz" Evans performed at our S. G. Bash, at the N.M.F. It was a lifetime gift from one of the greatest performers in today's world of steel guitar. I hope to hear Johnny Farina in the future. If he books within a 100 mi. radius of Pittsfield, Ma., I would like to attend the show. Bill H.
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Jim Smith Member From: Plano, TX, USA |
posted 07 September 2002 12:17 PM
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Santo and Johnny were inducted together. Santo is out of the country either won't or refuses to return. |
Rich Weiss Member From: Woodland Hills, CA, USA |
posted 07 September 2002 12:59 PM
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Santo is the steel player. Yes or no? |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 07 September 2002 01:05 PM
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Rich,,,ONE MORE TIME...S A N T O played steel guitar on all the recordings. Johnny accepted the award on behalf of himself and his brother. But it was presented in a manner of the popularity of the recording. DO YOU UNDERSTAND???? REPEAT..SANTO PLAYED THE STEEL ON THE ORIGINAL RECORDING ON CANADIAN/AMERICAN RECORDS. No I dont know what color suits they were wearing. |
Jim Smith Member From: Plano, TX, USA |
posted 07 September 2002 01:07 PM
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They both play steel. Johhny played steel at the ISGC. |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 07 September 2002 02:24 PM
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I think we are probing into a personal matter here. The writers of Sleepwalk were Santo & Johnny,,,Mike Dee their Uncle played drums on the date. Johnny never played steel until they split up. There were three credits given to the three writers of Sleepwalk,, Farina,Farina,Farina. It is a personal matter Santo is not in this country at the present time and "there is NO BAD BLOOD' between them. Its a personal matter and I dont feel it neccesary to go into a full explanation. Didnt mean to be short with you Rich,,but I get phone calls and e mail re the very same question you asked,,,,it gets redundant,,and We all have our good days,,,,this has not been one of those days for me. Sorry my friend. The comments I make are the truth and Copyright (C) by Jody Carver 2005 All Rights [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 18 June 2005 at 01:21 PM.] |
Don Sulesky Member From: Hernando, Fl. usa |
posted 07 September 2002 02:25 PM
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Like Jody said it was SANTO, SANTO ,SANTO. Who played steel on the songs. I know what I saw and I talked to them for about 20 minutes and they had black suits and patent leather shoes. And as Paul Harvey would say "That's the end of the story". Don |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 07 September 2002 02:56 PM
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Thanks Don You forgot to mention the color of their "ties" SANTO, SANTO, SANTO, and Yes the CASE IS CLOSED. Thanks your Honor. They have been "aquitted" and me as well. |
HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y. |
posted 07 September 2002 03:16 PM
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So, then, you're saying that it was...SANTO? |
Mike Perlowin Member From: Los Angeles CA |
posted 07 September 2002 03:27 PM
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I remember seeing S&J on American Bandstand during the time Sleepwalk was a big hit. I remember that I didn't know what that thing was that Santo was playing, but I thought that it looked like it was really easy. |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 07 September 2002 04:20 PM
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Out of curiosity,,,I called Mike,,you know know him as "The Uncle" I asked him what they were wearing the day they did the session??Mmmmm lemmmme see he replies,,,,,, Oh yeah I remember..we were wearing "PAJAMAS" Would you wear a "black tight fitting suit" if you were "Sleepwalking"???? and those pointed shoes "ouch" ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I call Mike the "Uncle" you can call me Yes Howard..how did you ever guess it was. SANTO..SANTO..SANTO.. SANTO.. Thanks to all of you.. Santo & Johnnys "Aunt Jody" Oh how stupid of me to forget. Whenever you see an "Uncle" you'll find an "Aunt"...so if you have an "Uncle" look in his pants for "ants" [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 07 September 2002 at 08:20 PM.] |
Doug Beaumier Member From: Northampton, MA |
posted 07 September 2002 10:08 PM
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I have great respect for Santo & Johnny and I applaud Johnny's efforts in keeping the steel guitar alive. I do think it's interesting how Johnny has made the transition from guitar player to steel player in recent years, filling his brother's shoes, and touring the casino circuit as "Johnny of the Original Guitar Duo Santo & Johnny". Of course "Sleepwalk" is always mentioned in the advertising. It is true that Johnny played on the original Sleepwalk... guitar, not steel. To make matters more confusing, Johnny recently re-recorded Sleepwalk on a new CD, and he sells the new version at his shows and on the internet. I don't think the average listener really cares who played what instrument in a band. The average person doesn't know a steel guitar from a guitar anyway. I do think however that every steel player should be aware of who played Sleepwalk, and it irks me every time I read a post here on the steel forum where someone gives Johnny Farina credit for playing Sleepwalk. IMHO Johnny is doing a positive thing by touring, playing, and promoting steel guitar... I'd rather see him doing it than not doing it. I just think it's important for steel players to know who Santo Farina was/is and to know the history of the instrument. Okay... I'm putting on my flame-retardant suit! [This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 07 September 2002 at 10:56 PM.] |
Dave Horch Member From: Frederick, Maryland, USA |
posted 07 September 2002 11:34 PM
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quote: Doug, let's face it... The average person doesn't know a steel guitar from a saw horse! Best, -Dave ------------------ |
Eric Stumpf Member From: Newbury, NH 03255 |
posted 08 September 2002 05:29 AM
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According to liner notes of CD "The Best of Santo & Johnny" Canadian American CACD-1008: "Santo Farina, inspired by a Hawaiian guitar player on a TV show "Home-Town Frolics", began taking steel lessons from two separate techers: an Italian professor in a music shop, and a Hawaiian named Fred Phillips, who eventually moved back to the islands. Santo's brother, johnny Farina also became interested in the guitar and started learning rhythm guitar to play along. With the help of their sister Ann, they wrote a song which they called "Deep Sleep", loosely based on a song entitled "Softly As In A Morning Sunrise", a hit by Nat Shilkret's Victor Orchestra in 1929." That song was later re-titled "Sleep Walk". |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 08 September 2002 05:56 AM
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ERIC FOR YOU
Thats all I can say to you. You did pick up Amazing,,,,,thats what started it. and again Thanks to Don Sulesky who knew this all the time as well as I did. Im outta here. |
Joe Casey Member From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9) |
posted 08 September 2002 07:22 AM
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Johnny was genuinely humbled by the induction.He also was in awe of all the talent he witnessed that preceded him to the stage.Jody: he wore a Black suit(tie-less.And in the shape he was in it could very well have been an original from the "old days"...A great addition to the H.O.F.... Before he played his show on his monologue he stated how it was his brother who played steel on the record and he played the guitar.He also stated it was their father who introduced them to the Steel and wanted them to play it. Just Imagine Folks the HOF inducts players from all over the whole world..including Brooklyn....Chicopee can't be that far off. ------------------ [This message was edited by Joe Casey on 08 September 2002 at 07:26 AM.] |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 08 September 2002 08:06 AM
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I started this thread as a "Tribute" and Acknowledgement of my good friend MIKE DEE. It has turned into a session of "disputes" which is not unusual on this Forum. I was not looking to open a bee's nest I only wanted to acknowledge a man who was the When I see someone post something,,why is there always someone who takes issue??? If someone says...Its Black...another replies,,NO Its "Dark Navy Blue" another will I will clarify a few points and the rest you can read in my book,,if you wish,,if not,,thats no problem either. The names that appear as the writers of Sleep Mike Dee is the uncle of Santo & Johnny.Mike's sister was the mother of Santo Santo& Johnnys dad passed away a short time back,,(see my tribute to Anthony Farina) Extended family that is now in the archives of this Forum. Most of the early days prior to their recording of Sleepwalk,they played at a club on Long Islands North Shore,,the name of the club was "The Amber Inn". I have known both of these fellows a good part of my life and have known Mike Dee as long as well. I have had and still have the utmost respect Johnny has just completed a gig on a cruise Jerry Vale (ya know who he is??) and Frank Sinatra Jr.Thats Frank Sinatra's son,,( you know who he is??) there are times like this My sense of Humor is fading fast.I never thought that would happen. Its like a ballplayer who loses the incentive Its like a Pilot who has been behind the controls and long overdue for rest or retirement. I am suffering from F.F. thats what I refer to as "Forum Fatigue". Its no longer fun,,I have tried but have failed miserably. When the F.F. gets in the way..The time has come. I have nothing more to add,,,and all the while I thought I was having fun,,. Sarcasim? I have no more patience to deal with e mails I Dont Care what color suit Johnny was wearing and whether or not he was wearing a tie,,,,,This was supposed to be about my friend MIKE DEE..Santo & Johnnys UNCLE,,Mikes It hard to please everyone,,,No I am not being run off here as others say when their leaving,,Im just TIRED of what I have read here and have read on this Forum since day one. I have made one post too many,,,ya know what I mean?? edited,,I couldn't leave without a CopyRight(c) by Jody Carver 2005 All Rights Reserved [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 18 June 2005 at 01:06 PM.] |
HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y. |
posted 09 September 2002 06:10 PM
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May I present to the jury exhibit A
From what I understand, their split up was an amicable one. Santo was allowed to leave due to a stipulation in their contract, known as the "Santo Clause".... |
Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 10 September 2002 05:04 AM
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FWIW....I have a copy of the original 45rpm released by Canadian American Records, Ltd, with "Sleepwalk" on one side, and "All Night Diner" on the other. Both sides credit "Farina-Farina-Farina" as the writers. I bought this record when it was first released so I could learn the songs for the band I was playing with at the time. (Whew, that was a long time ago...is anyone else on the Forum old enough to remember bands wearing Nehru jackets and gold chain necklaces?) |
George Mc Lellan Member From: Duluth, MN USA |
posted 10 September 2002 07:21 AM
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Gene, who could afford gold chains back then???? ------------------ |
Don Sulesky Member From: Hernando, Fl. usa |
posted 10 September 2002 07:48 AM
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In my first band the "Galaxies" we wore Fabian sweaters. I also have their second 45 which was "Tear Drop" with "Long Walk Home" on the flip Side. The credits on these were also Farina, Farina, Farina. Don |
Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 10 September 2002 07:55 AM
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George....It was easy if you bought them from the 5&10 cent store. The downside was when you sweated they turned your neck and your turtle-neck green! I liked the picture you sent. We had jackets like that except they were black with white turtle-necks. A club manager eventually made us stop wearing the black because he said we looked like "priests" and it bothered some of the customers. www.genejones.com |
Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 10 September 2002 09:01 AM
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.....I forgot to give credit to "Sleepwalk" for my "return" to the steel guitar. Due to Elvis and the Beatles, the steel guitar was like the plague in the studios and in the clubs during the 1950's, so I had given up the steel and was playing bass in R&B bands. When Sleepwalk came out I returned to the steel.....and Sleepwalk became 2nd place to Steel-Guitar Rag for the most requested song from the customers of that era. If there is a lesson in any of this (Sleepwalk & Steel Guitar Rag), it is...."keep it simple". www.genejones.com |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 10 September 2002 08:25 PM
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Gene,Don, Thank you for your contributions on this thread,,I will make copies of this for Mike Dee,,he will appreciate everything said about him and Santo & Johnny as well......... MIKE WAS THE MAN BEHIND SANTO & JOHNNY,,,,,,, I KNOW I WAS THERE. A Great drummer and more than anything else,,,a Wonderful friend..just God Be With You.. Jody. I will send you both my snail mail address. Joey Ace,,This was "One For My Baby......... MIKE WAS DA MAIN MAN behind S&J..he is everybodys "Uncle" even your's. They DONT come any better than "UNCLE MIKE DEE" and you THE END.edited for copyright (C) by Jody Carver 2005 All Rights Reserved [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 18 June 2005 at 01:04 PM.] |
Kevin Ruddell Member From: Toledo Ohio USA |
posted 20 September 2002 06:27 PM
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Jody , thanks for the great story about Mike Dee and his connection with the rest of his family |
basilh Member From: United Kingdom |
posted 18 June 2005 06:26 PM
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Joe Casey said quote: If only !! Baz |
Larry W. Jones Member From: Kingwood TX & Longmont CO |
posted 19 June 2005 06:33 AM
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I already posted this on the "no peddlers" page. I just gave a copy of the original sheet music to my steel guitar teacher, and the first thing he said was, "I didn't know it had words to it." Neither did I, nor most other folks, until Ron Victoria sent me a copy of the original sheet music. http://pic-a-pagediscounts.com/images/sleepwalkoriginal.jpg It's actually easier to play since you can hum the lyrics along with the playing. code: ------------------ |
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