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Calvin Walley
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From: colorado city colorado, USA

posted 14 September 2003 02:58 PM     profile     
as a beginer when do i need to get a volume pedal and how do i learn when and how to use it...also i have a small side kick amplifier for my carter starter is this ok??? i listen to some of you pros and its seems to me that you are using a volume pedal to get some of those long substained sounds . am i thinking in the right direction?

thanks to all you nice folks

Roy Ayres
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From: Starke, Florida, USA

posted 14 September 2003 03:25 PM     profile     
Calvin:

You may get various opinions on this question, but my own is stated below.

Yes, a volume pedal can be used to extend the duration of a note or chord to some extent. I, personally, seldom us it for that purpose, however. It comes in handy when you need to increase or decrease the volume of your steel to accompany changes necessitated by crowd noise, variable volume to the rhythm section, etc. Some players use the pedal to eliminate or reduce the attack or sound of "plucking" the string -- although many players will say this gives your playing an "amaturish" sound.. (It never seemed to hurt Jerry Byrd.) One of its major roles in my own playing is to allow me to swell chords and diminish the level of volume as an expressive device.

I would say the volume pedal is an important part of a steel player's equipment -- far more important than the various effects that can be obtained through various electronic devices. Buy a used or inexpensive pedal and just rest your right foot on it while you play. Your subconscious will probably do the rest.

Dale Bessant
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From: Gatineau, Quebec, Canada

posted 14 September 2003 03:48 PM     profile     
Yes like Roy states, a volume pedal helps you control your instrument during songs like an experienced vocal singer will with dynamics,soft, to forceful, to soft, and it lets you sustain a note or chords for longer or shorter periods, etc.It is as Roy states the most important pedal used by the steel guitarist...
C Dixon
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From: Duluth, GA USA

posted 14 September 2003 04:09 PM     profile     
I believe a volume pedal under most of the "great's" control, is used to sustain the note to its last dying breath on slow melodic tunes. For fast tunes, it is used simply to set whatever volume is needed and their feet barely move from that point on.

As a poster said, there are those that use th volume pedal to remove all "attack" of the picks so all one hears is a violin like sound after the fact. IE, no initial note attack, just a note similar to that produced like a bow. I never cared for this sound. Some of the great western swing type players used this a lot.

Most of the other greats split the difference. In other words they back off the volume pedal just enough to take the "crack" of the initial pick attack out, but still let you hear the note being picked.

Then they gradually go down on the pedal as the normal vibration of the strings abates; to maintain a more or less constant level of sustain coming out of the amp.

The absolute master of this approach is Jerry Byrd. NO one in my opinion is greater at it. Second to him is of course Buddy Emmons. Both these great players have honed their God given talents to the nth degree when they use their volume pedals. As they have in every other facet of the steel guitar. (pedals excluded respect JB)

I have found myself staring at their feet often in awe as they do their wizardry. There are others who are really great at the use of the volume pedal as well.

I believe the best way to learn to use the volume pedal is to just let the music dictate what is best and NOT worry about a fixed set of rules; lest it end up being just mechanical. Rather, just let it happen over time. This then goes along with all the other things that develop as you learn this incredible instrument.

Don't force it. It will come; I promise.

carl

Willis Vanderberg
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From: Bradenton, FL, USA

posted 14 September 2003 08:15 PM     profile     
Calvin.
I would suggest a basic delay unit , such as a Boss dd-3 for starters.This will give you a nice sound. Keep it to a minimum.
Too many effects detract from the basic sound of the instrument. Also what Roy said about the volume pedal.
Bud
Budd Kelley
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From: Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA

posted 14 September 2003 08:43 PM     profile     
Calvin,

As a long time beginner, I have had the same question. Just what is a "volumn pedal" for?

This is my current thinking. It is to make your guitar "sing". Think on it. A piano has the inital attack and then it dacays. A drum has the same start and bleed off. A guitar does the same thing.

A human voice doesn't have to! It can start soft and build - or it can stay at a certain level! And, of course, it can start strong and fade. A "breath" powered musical instrument can do all of these things too. It is only "percussion" type instruments that can't. Striking a drum head or striking a string is still a strike.

The volumn pedal gives you the ability to make music sing!! Ain't that a good thing? Try playing a slow and simple melody, and use the pedal to make it sound just like a singer. If you can't think of one, download "Unchained Melody" from the "Rebel and Ricky" site. That is the tune that made the light bulb light up for me!

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[This message was edited by Budd Kelley on 14 September 2003 at 08:48 PM.]

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Calvin Walley
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From: colorado city colorado, USA

posted 14 September 2003 10:26 PM     profile     
thank each and every one of you for taking the time to help you have given me a lot to think about and got me pointed in the right direction, what about the side kick amp is it ok ? ....again many many thanks
Carl West
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From: La Habra, CA, USA

posted 15 September 2003 06:12 AM     profile     
Calvin,
Welcome to the world of the pedal steel guitar. In my opinion the volume pedal is a must. When you get use to it and it's used correctly you'll be hooked. It serves many purposes as mentioned in the other posts. I use it all the time on the E9th. I will however break away from it on the C6th because of using 2 feet on the pedals.It's a great tool, you'll love it.
As for the Amp, personal choice. Many out there. I use an Evans 150 and love it.

Carl West
Emmons LaGrande

Reece Anderson
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From: Keller Texas USA

posted 15 September 2003 06:31 AM     profile     
The volume pedal is an integral part of the marvelous musical expression capabilities of the steel guitar.

The words “volume pedal” suggests the pedal is to be used for increased or decreased volume levels. However, when one thinks of it as an “expression pedal”, it provides a totally different mental picture.

It has been my experience that having a different mental image other than that of a “volume pedal”, will achieve remarkable results.

I believe most who have the mental image of the pedal as an “expression pedal” have mastered the art of its use, while those who consider it a “volume pedal” have yet to experience the marvelous advantages it can offer while being an extension of the musical soul.


Ron Page
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From: Cincinnati, OH USA

posted 15 September 2003 07:12 AM     profile     
One of the coolest uses of the volume pedal I've ever heard is Paul Franklin's use on a speed picking break in a George Strait tune, which I can recall the name of. Paul is blazing along and then locks into a 2-3 note roll. Then to end the break he simply fades it out with the volume pedal. For me it was one of those "why didn't I think of that?" moments. Pretty rare on a speed run and real cool sounding.

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HagFan

PS: Just remembered the song is called, "What Am I Waitin' For".

[This message was edited by Ron Page on 15 September 2003 at 07:52 AM.]

David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 15 September 2003 10:59 AM     profile     
Calvin, like they all said above, the volume pedal is a major part of the sound of pedal steel and the individual tone of each player. But I am skeptical that it becomes second nature "automatically." Beginners usually get a swell effect, while pros get a very solid, even sustain on the long notes. I found it helpful to practice a lot of slow stuff like ballads and hymns. Even just slow scales or chord progressions helps. The trick is to always back off to the same point for the attack, and then have an even sustain without a swell. Eventually you will get the kind of automatic mastery that lets you use it as an expression pedal, like Reece says.
Mark van Allen
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From: loganville, Ga. USA

posted 15 September 2003 12:19 PM     profile     
Hi, Calvin, welcome to "figuring it out"! Read Reece's post again, he's really saying something there! And Carl D. as well. Don't forget the advice of most good players: do not use the pedal to cover or eliminate your mistakes! You'll end up with a choppy and tentative delivery. Some purposeful use of the pedal in that direction (cutting off note attack) can be very artistic, (listen to Curley Chalker's "gutting" technique) but in general, well, Reece and Carl are right on the money. Increasing volume on long chordal sustains, to bring out harmonics or compensate for possibly less sustain on the higher registers of some guitars are all tricks the pros use. Much of the dynamic differences (soft to loud) that you hear on recordings are actually done with the hands, pick attack and touch. As far as the amp goes, amything that sounds ok to you is great to start with, but most players gravitate toward a fairly high-powered amp with good tonal response to allow headroom for the wide range of tone a steel can produce, without distortion. A lot of folks are excited about the New Peavey Nashville 1-12 as a pracice/ small gig amp. They sure sounded great to me in St. Louis. Best of luck!

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