Wishing Bobbe and everyone a happy '04,
Drew

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SUAS U' PHIOB
Geo

I hope that both parties will come to a settlement and that every buisiness is in tact at the end of the day. The community needs them both. Do we really want to draw a line in the sand? Let these two work this out. Usually, when the gangs go home, the fight stops.

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Steel what?

[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 01 January 2004 at 09:49 AM.]

As moderator I posted, "Please do not drag arguments from other forums here". He promptly replied telling me to "mind my own business!". Emails from him followed, including legal threats. I put him on my email "ignore list" (and advised him that I did) to avoid this nonsense. Heck, I'm just a volenteer doing a job. I didn't take sides, only stopped a off-topic flame.

Other than that. I won't comment.

I don't wanna lose my house.

Sad.

EJL

ALSO, if those Three Bobbe CDs I have are any indication at all I'd say that Bobbe's "Free Bobbe Fund" Cds are going to be making him an "easy million". I've got about 15 people I'm going to be lobbying to buy one, if they aren't already.

This is a good instance if you watch what happpens of why EVERY avenue should be exhausted before a lawsuit. By the time it's all over with it usually takes ten times what you win to "recover" your reputation. Especially if it depends on "people liking you" as it always does in the "performing arts". Even then, you don't.

I'm thinking that maybe there are some steps that could be taken to put Mr Seymore's name in the SGHOF hat. Maybe he's in there already. I haven't looked lately..

Hmm....

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I don`t think you can sue someone for his opinion, good or bad.

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True, you cannot be sued for your opinion, you can, however be sued for slander & libel. It's all in how a statement is worded.

If a statement is presented as a fact, then it should be a provable, known fact. If it's presented as an opinion, everyone is entitled to them without repercussion.

I agree that this whole thing is unfortunate not only for those directly involved, but for all of us as a community.

oh, what a tangled web we weave

[This message was edited by HowardR on 01 January 2004 at 04:36 PM.]

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kd...and the beat goes on...

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Does anyone know who is suing Mr. Seymour?

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It's one thing to say "I don't like (whatever) brand guitars," but what happened over there was a sustained continuous series of attacks on Reece and everybody who is associated with him. Even Curly Chalker was dissed because he played an MSA at one time.

It reached the poiint where it became a joke that that every post had to say something nasty about Reece even if the subject had nothing to do with him.

It's too bad things have come to this, but I really feel Bobbe should not have allowd his forum to deteriorate into the "I hate Reece and MSA" cesspool it had become.

I suspect that this is the eruption of a volcano that's been smoldering for years. Maybe decades.

1) false statements of fact that

2) he knew to be false and that

3) caused material harm to the plaintiff.

Note that statements that appear to be statments of fact to you and me may be considered expression of opinion under law depending on the context in which they were made.

HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT ABOUT LIBEL -- it's about using the court system to shut up a dissenting voice. Punitive lawsuits are brought by financially advantaged parties who know that the defendent is unlikely to spend the money required to represent himself in court. The cost of bringing the lawsuit is trivial, the cost of defending oneself against the charges is large. How many of you could afford to spend that kind of money just to defend your name?

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Bobbe has always been a good friend to me, and he has always had good things to say about others.

In all the Posts here, I think Bobbe, as well as Mr's E, Franklin, and most non HOF members have NOT forgotten this ( to their great credit). For the most part.

It's for the guys that come home with blood blisters from their fingerpicks, need to know how to get beer stains off their horns, play with hacks, OR top namers, have problems that their "regular" friends can't solve, and a thousand other things that only fellow Steel Players know. Maybe from people with physical or even mental problems needing advice, support, or just needing "somewhere to fit in".

Bobbe's was maybe "more that way" to include "the crazies", like the way some of those "notable crazies" that have passed on might have been. It was also open to people in his shop or office sometimes being able to "post things in his name". I think the intelligent among us who know how "these things work" passed most of it off. Most of the "attacks" I saw were from the "hyper sensitive" that were "totally clueless" of the aforementioned.

ALSO, In ALL of my correspondence with Bobbe, he's not EVER castigated or besmirched ANYBODY. Kind of interesting. Even when I pointedly asked him, he just said "Oh it'll work out". We usually talk about harleys, girls or I'll give somebody I want to meet him and introduction. Maybe even a funny story or two.

I don't remember anybody "attacking" anybody for playing any brand of guitar. Not that they weren't welcome to rebutt said "attack". I saw plenty of Mr's Hinson, and the others mentioned's posts "there" and didn't see any of them unable to defend themselves. I didn't even know Donny played an MSA.. Hmm....

I don't like Emmonses, Sierras, OR the brand in question. I'm not even so hip on my Sho Bud at particular times. I have been able to expess my opinions, and with no more "care and reflection" than I've seen from The Respondent. Nobody's even done more than emailed me, or directly responded. Maybe it's the way I put it. Maybe I just don't have "deep enough pockets". I dunno.

I've been told my guitar wasn't fit to burn here. I've been told I was racially and culturally insensitive, I've been told I played too many notes. I've had all kinds of "attacks" happen that could indeed keep me from making my next quarter million bucks. I choose to defend them myself. I think I've been able to do so adequately.

At this point, like a DOZEN others in my "career" I'm completely and utterly "finished" with no future hope of jobs, or money coming in from playing.

Whose fault is it? Who's going to "get it going"? Oh, I know a couple lawyers that probably could, but more than likely I'll do like I always do and connect with The Guy in the Mirror. Maybe like times before, we'll ask God. Don't count me out. I never do.

( Actually, while I was "editing" this the phone rang, and I'm pencilled in for all of January AND February. Thanks God.)

If anybody needs an "author" to defend themselves in this, my track record stands as my testament, and I'll gladly "take their side" in providing a rebuttal for them. Pro Bono, as they say. (Whether I agree with them or not.)( It's a hobby of mine as listed on my profile.)

Don't just spew off a bunch of mis-spelled gobbeldy gook, and try and defend somebody or something that piques your sensitivities.. Among common folks you'll just lose. Send me an outline, and I'll type something up for you. If you choose to "go it on your own", your results may dismay you. I've done this "a lot".

I hope this comes out alright.

I'm still betting on the Steel Players to win out. We know the Lawyers will be a close second..

b0b, is it my imagination or is your hairline receding....further?

So this is the "New Year".

Seems very much like the Old One..

EJL

[This message was edited by Eric West on 02 January 2004 at 01:25 PM.]

Like I've said before, just cause I 'rite it don't mean that I read it. I'd hesitate to myself...

Kevin. Sometimes I wake up in "caffiene starvation" and it has an opposite effect.

So it was today....

When CBS took the Fender Company over back in 1965. Leo Fender had nothing in writing to prevent him from returning to his favorite
past time,and that was building guitars and amps.

I assume CBS was unaware that Leo would in fact return sometime a few years later to form a new company with an obscure name of MusicMan.

At that time I was still a Fender salesman and when the word got out that Leo was in fact backing this new small company MusicMan
the first thing CBS did was to have the name
"Leo" copyrighted to prevent Leo Fender from naming one or more of his instruments "The
Leo" model.

Leo didnt have anything of the sort in mind and that was told to me by the horses mouth.
Once again the word "Sue" came into Focus,CBS scrambled for the rights to the name Leo. They already owned his last name,and now wanted his first name as well.

What a suprise to CBS when Leo had his attorneys write CBS NY and LA that he had nothing of the sort in mind.

Leo Fender was bored sitting home and wanted to return to the people and business he loved so dearly.

He many times told me how much he missed being back in the business. Unfortunatly due
to internal dis agreements Leo Fender decided to move on to G&L..No law suit followed. CBS was afraid of the shadow that
Leo cast on the world and for what???? nothing.

The motto of this story is if any of you want to name your new born son Leo..you will have to get the approval of CBS Headquarters.

If your sibling is a female..check out to make certain that CBS dont have the name "Leona" copyrighted as well.

Happy New Year and I hate Law suits. The two people involved in this scenario should shake hands and go on with their lives.

Life is short and the Lawyers pockets are deep. Those invloved should kiss and makeup PS what CBS didnt know is that
Leo had a middle name edited for spelling.

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[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 02 January 2004 at 04:00 PM.]

Have you noticed Mike doesn't post very often, but when he does he has something to say. Spells alright to.

My Daddy always said, keep your words soft and sweet because you never know when you might have to eat em.

Don't close this though b0b...we want to be keep up to date.

Bob

[This message was edited by Bob Carlson on 02 January 2004 at 04:09 PM.]

Steve goes on about the "Implied Bradshaw dissenting voice being shut up"..There's a website posting at the end of this message which if you take the time to read, will probably shed more light on that affair than you really want to know. It's all legal, been checked out by a lawyer and you'll be made aware of the "real truth" for the first time, that I've read on any public media. Other than an expressed opinion of mine, the words are those of the two litigants themselves.

Why Bobbe's forum was shut down? I guess only Bobbe knows, but there were several things said on that forum that could lead one to believe it was important. I'm not a lawyer so who knows.

Now, to this lawsuit. I have been a personal friend of the Anderson family for over 40 years, and I ain't gonna' stand by with my mouth shut on this one. I did on the Bradshaw affair and I'm really sorry I did. I called Reece this AM and asked him if he was the litigant in the Seymour lawsuit, and he said "I sure am, Fred, I'm one of the litigants and it's a matter of public record in a Dallas court." Period. There it is. You don't believe that, you email and ask him if it's so or not. When asked who the other litigants were his answer was, "It's a public record like I said and if folks really want to know they can check it out, but I certainly am one of them." Gonna' be expensive? Probably so on the loser, and like in most lawsuits there will be a loser.

I'm asking that if you want to flame, then flame me through email. I won't dignify short sightedness on b0b's Forum, I have too much respect for it and those who read it.

Forget the website. MSN won't allow you access unless you do the .Net number...Just email me at fjshannon@cox.net and I'll send it to you...It's now 6:55 PM CST and I'm giggin' tonite, but I'll answer all emails when I come in.

Fred

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The spirit be with you!
If it aint got a steel, it aint real

[This message was edited by Fred Shannon on 02 January 2004 at 04:20 PM.]