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Bob Carlucci
Member

From: Candor, New York, USA

posted 07 January 2004 05:15 PM     profile     
The guy has IMMENSE and unique talent to be sure ,,, very few of us can play a steel guitar in that style... My question is this... Does he ever use a traditional pedal steel sound?? Everything I have heard by him sounds like it was played by a world class fusion/ rock/blues guitarist.. Very immpressive certainly... just wondering if anyone has heard him use a clean sweet pedal steel sound.. I know he certainly can.. just wondering if he ever does.. this is CERTAINLY not a knock,his formidable talent makes mine look pathetic in comparison. just curious .... bob
Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 07 January 2004 06:21 PM     profile     
I don't think so. It would be quite difficult to play straight conventional songs in tunings and setup the Sacred Steelers use.
Aaron Garrett
Member

From: Roslindale, Massachusetts, USA

posted 07 January 2004 06:32 PM     profile     
There are a few moments on Live at the Wetlands where he goes to a more classic pedal steel sound. It sounds cool amidst the Duane Allman/Stevie Ray runs at lightning speed.

He is amazing, his pedal work is so fast you can hardly hear it as he makes those runs. But apparently the steels have to be rebuilt after every show. And he's on the horn nearly every day to Jerry Fessenden (or so I was told).

Can't wait to see him in Boston next month!

Dan Tyack
Member

From: Seattle, WA USA

posted 07 January 2004 08:30 PM     profile     
Joey wrote:
quote:
It would be quite difficult to play straight conventional songs in tunings and setup the Sacred Steelers use

There's nothing in the Sacred Steel players copedents that would restrict playing 'conventional' steel. I have been playing a modified Sacred Steel tuning for a while, and I don't sacrifice anything in terms of conventional E9th playing. Chuck Campbell plays very convincing E9th on his setup, which was the source of Roberts copedent. I think the reason why you don't hear a lot of traditional playing is that the audience would rather hear them play their own thing (I know I would).

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Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 07 January 2004 10:01 PM     profile     
Bob, I am not convinced that he can play clean steel. It takes alot more talent and control than what he currently does. Anyone can play dirty guitar.
Jim Palenscar
Member

From: Oceanside, Calif, USA

posted 07 January 2004 10:48 PM     profile     
Kevin- I admit to not seeing RR play "clean" sounds on his guitar but neither have I seen the likes of John Hughey or Tom Brumley play what Robert plays. If you are implying that anyone can play what he does you are wrong. I cannot do that but would love to be able to. He is an immensely talented individual. "Balance, Daniel-san, balance" in the immortal words of Mr. Miyagi.
Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 07 January 2004 10:57 PM     profile     
Somebody mention JOE WRIGHT??
Eric West
Member

From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 07 January 2004 11:06 PM     profile     
SG/ No kidding...

I think there's a difference in skin though.

Joe's is much thicker..

EJL

Bob Carlucci
Member

From: Candor, New York, USA

posted 08 January 2004 04:40 AM     profile     
Well anyway,I have listened to several "sacred steel" clips on the net.I must say that to me it sounds just like good blues guitar playing. I am a fair 6 string guitarist and a lot of my basic blues/rock/r&b bag of tricks sounds like some of this sacred steel playing. It certainly is VERY cool if thats what you like,and the players are VERY VERY talented,but I guess I'm more of a traditionalist when it comes to pedal steel.Give me the playing of Tom Brumley,Ralph Mooney,Lloyd Green,JD Maness ANY day over this sacred steel music. I guess I want my pedal steel to sound like it has pedals on it. I will admit that the SS style of playing WILL appeal to a big number of folks that have little use for the sound of a traditional pedal steel. I just prefer a clean sound about 90-95% of the time, and a good crunchy warmly distorted bluesy tone used as an effect in a few tunes here and there. I love a good crunchy blues sound on steel.. Me personally though,I would not care to base my whole playing style on it bob
Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 08 January 2004 06:39 AM     profile     
I respect Dan Tyack's above comments.

Dan has way more experience with Sacred Steelers than I'll ever have.

My comments are based on Chuck Campbell explaining the tuning is sorta like an autoharp. The pedals are used to get different types of chords, then the licks are played as if on a non-pedal guitar.

Of course, the masters vary this technique, but it is the basic concept.

If my understanding is not correct, please educate me.

John Macy
Member

From: Denver, CO USA

posted 08 January 2004 06:57 AM     profile     
Wow. Since "anyone can play dirty guitar", I'd love to and pay good money to see Robert and Kevin go head to head someday...
Ron Page
Member

From: Cincinnati, OH USA

posted 08 January 2004 07:40 AM     profile     
The one commonality of a the various Robert Randolph threads is that someone always wants to denigrate his steel playing. And it's usually the reaction to his unique, rock-oriented style.

Joe Wright is one of the best steel players I've ever seen or heard, and I agree that he's the man when it comes to playing the full range from soulful country steel to heavy metal rock steel. However, I don't believe that the soulful country chops are a prerequisite to being a good rock steeler. I don't believe RR has any interest in playing music that is traditionally associated with pedal steel. I think the successful pros here probably appreciate what he's doing and many of the rest of us react with a bit of envy or jealousy.

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Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 08 January 2004 08:20 AM     profile     
Joe Wright is a master for sure.
But remember he plays a U12. That gives him the basic E9 tuning and changes available to do the straight Steel licks.

I agree that RR is blazing his own direction, and that's good for everyone.

If he had chosen to play "A Way to Survive" like Buddy I suspect we would never of heard of him, just like if Hendrix had choosen to play like Chet,or Segovia.

Mark Tomeo
Member

From: Danville, PA USA

posted 08 January 2004 08:29 AM     profile     
RR has a solo on "Hung Up On You" from the new Fountains of Wayne CD "Welcome Interstate Managers." The phrasing is totally country, but the tone does have a gritty edge to it. So yeah, he can play country with whatever tuning he's using.
The song itself reminds me a lot of "You're Still On My Mind" from the Byrd's "Sweethearts of the Rodeo" in terms of structure and melody. Amazing how much controversy this guy's playing generates.
David L. Donald
Member

From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 08 January 2004 08:51 AM     profile     
I find the blocking techniques needed for playing a really gravelly distorted sound are much harder to do than basic clean steel.

I started using a lot of left thumb blocking & left middle finger with only a bit of the bar un blocked, pickblocking and palm blocking all at once to get it clean.
It is harder than RR makes it seem.
And he is fast and clean.

Last night I found myself playing Jimi Hendrix's Little Wing, without even being told the song title or key before it started.
I listened a second or two hit the nasty tone midi switch and shortly found myself sounding like David Gilmore of Pink Floyd.
I also had never even thought of this song on either neck, ever, a bit disconcerting.

But when it was done the guitarist who had sung the tune turned around and shook my hand... to my great surprise.

I had to improvise with all those blockings and brain on overdrive, but it was the right set of methods for the music.
I really appreciate RR more and more.

As to one of Bob's questions, he does a bit of cleaner stuff on his album, and some acoustic work too. The man is serious.

Rick Aiello
Member

From: Berryville, VA USA

posted 08 January 2004 09:36 AM     profile     
I remember hearing a NPR interview with Robert R. where he plays a couple clean, country-style licks ... when discussing his visit to Nashville and hangin' out with some pros there.

The "Word" interview.

Its been a couple years but I think thats the one ...

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Jim Smith
Member

From: Plano, TX, USA

posted 08 January 2004 03:18 PM     profile     
Jerry Fessenden asked me to post this for him.
quote:
I went in to see him warming up & all I heard was Don Rich. I wondered if they had a tele guy, but it was Robert. He can also do OBS as fast & clean as anyone else, w/o effects, etc.
Theresa Galbraith
Member

From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

posted 08 January 2004 03:33 PM     profile     
When a 25 year old women ask, do you know Robert Randolph? I saw him on T.V. He's cool!

I say he's made a mark and is drawing interest with the instrument. Go Robert!

Theresa

Jody Carver
Member

From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever

posted 08 January 2004 03:33 PM     profile     
I wonder how his playing would have fit in with Roy Acuff's band? Smokey Mountain Boys.

Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 08 January 2004 03:43 PM     profile     
Jody, I 'spect it would have fit in about as well s Don Rich, or Hank Garland, or Brent Mason...
Robert Randolph is an EXTREMELY talented young man!
Charlie Moore
Member

From: Deville, Louisiana, USA

posted 08 January 2004 04:05 PM     profile     
Well if you like what RR is doing that's cool,but what he is doing NOT something that say's RR is set apart from the steel guitar world,Joe WRight has been doing the same thing for YEAR'S,Paul Franklin would make RR look like he was in slow motion,like i say if you like it cool, i don't.....
Charlie......
Jody Carver
Member

From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever

posted 08 January 2004 04:16 PM     profile     
Teresa
I dont like him because he dont play a Fender
other than that he is OK.Sorry I mispelled your name...Its Theresa..one of my favorite names

[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 08 January 2004 at 04:17 PM.]

Steinar Gregertsen
Member

From: Arendal, Norway

posted 08 January 2004 04:16 PM     profile     
I've been following these RR threads with interest since I became a member almost a year ago. I still can't understand what the controversy is about. Isn't the pedal steel guitar a musical instrument and not a musical style?

As for his supposed lack of 'clean' playing,- there's a cut of him playing some scaringly fast, superCLEAN stuff on Arholie's 'Sacred Steel' DVD. I'd recommend that DVD to anyone interested in finding out more about this tradition. Also featured is an interesting interview with Chuck Campbell where he tells how he got inspired to pick up the pedal steel after being blown away by a player (sorry, don't remember who) at a Nashville Steel Guitar Convention...........

My only 'problem' with RR is his songwriting, but that's another story. IMHO he doesn't have to prove anything to anybody as a player, he's great at what he does and obviously does it out of love for his music and the steel guitar.

Steinar

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Ron Whitfield
Member

From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA

posted 08 January 2004 04:25 PM     profile     
Out of respect to Mike Bagwell or anyone else offended by my statement, I appologize. I'll leave it as posted to let it be viewed and taken as will. *** He would never have been given the opportunity to play steel in any white southern band of that era, and maybe not in this one either. Maybe his increasing popularity will help eliminate that tragic reality, especially if he's as good as many say he is. When I see RR schedualed for an appearence on the 'Opry' then I'll know times and attitudes are surely changing. Til then, no doubt he'll keep doing it his way, and more power to him.

[This message was edited by Ron Whitfield on 09 January 2004 at 12:17 PM.]

Theresa Galbraith
Member

From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

posted 08 January 2004 04:35 PM     profile     
Charlie & Jody,
I really appreciate the kind words....

Robert is taking steel to another level and we should all appreciate it.
He is talented and helps our small community of steelguitar.
I applaude Robert!

Theresa

slick
Member

From: Calhoun Georgia

posted 08 January 2004 05:08 PM     profile     
RR makes me look like im in slow motion.The young man is great!!!

Wayne

Mike Perlowin
Member

From: Los Angeles CA

posted 08 January 2004 05:40 PM     profile     
quote:
Robert is taking steel to another level and we should all appreciate it.
He is talented and helps our small community of steelguitar.
I applaude Robert!

I agree 100%.

I don't know how well the SS style lays out on a standard E9, but on a U 12, with the missing D string and the extra bass, it lays out quite well. I used to play in a blues rock band, in a style similar to way Robert and the SS guys play, using my regular tuning with no special pedals. (Note- I lower my low B string to A on the A pedal.)

Eric West
Member

From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 08 January 2004 05:56 PM     profile     
When I see Buddy Emmons and a Band of HIS Scheduled on the Grand Old Opry, I'LL know that attitudes are changing for the better.

I don't remember being 'given' opportunities for any of my endeavors, and especially in Music. I've earned or bought them.

RR HAS earned and/or bought his just like everybody else should from what I understand.

More power to him. Leave us not turn him into something he is not. He's a DAMN good player, and fine young person, Not the "John Henry of the Pedal Steel Guitar" in a battle with the "Redneck Steel Guitar Machine".

HE's maybe the one that should cough up five bucks and type a few words like the rest of us "regular guys". It hasn't hurt Mr's Emmons Franklin, Green (by proxy) or a dozen others.

I get the idea that the people that have "chosen to advocate for him" as a downtrodden, unsung, victim somehow haven't been doing him any favors..

Five Bucks.

That ain't much.

I'd LOVE to ask him a few questions about his technique and/or tuning etc. Maybe even some off topic stuff.

I wouldn't hurt him.

EJL

[This message was edited by Eric West on 08 January 2004 at 07:47 PM.]

Charlie Moore
Member

From: Deville, Louisiana, USA

posted 08 January 2004 06:18 PM     profile     
Theresa,you are right RR is taking PS to new places,but i don't dislike him at all i just don't like that type of steel playing,but if you like ok,just don't forget the old hat's that have been playing the same stuff for Year's,but you are right,...cya Charlie...
Theresa Galbraith
Member

From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

posted 08 January 2004 06:40 PM     profile     
Charlie,
We'll never forget where we came.
Let's welcome new to keep it growing.

Theresa

Joe Miraglia
Member

From: Panama, New York USA

posted 08 January 2004 07:06 PM     profile     
Do some people think that by cutting some one down or saying I don't like there playing or style makes them a better player than the one they don't care for Joe
Mike Bagwell
Member

From: Greenville, SC, USA

posted 08 January 2004 07:32 PM     profile     
Ron,
I find your post very offensive. There are many fine people from the southern states on this forum, most of them I know and consider friends. They do not deserve to be lumped togeather with a bunch of idiots that exist not only in one place or country, but all over the world.
Did you really think this post through?

Mike Bagwell

Mark Switzer
Member

From: Norwalk, California, USA

posted 09 January 2004 01:15 AM     profile     
When I saw him at House of Blues in L.A. he ended the night by turning the amp down,the distortion off,and playing with as sweet and clean a tone as you could ask for. Everyone has a different idea as to what`s "traditional pedal steel" but his performance lacked nothing in technique,musicality, and soul. I have`t heard him play in the Bakersfield idiom but it wouldn`t surprise me if he did.

His chops may not be on the exalted level of an Emmons or Frankin, and he may not live up some of the nonsense being written about him ("The John Coltrane of the Pedal Steel") but there`s tons to learn from him and all the Sacred Steel guys.

My 2 cents.
Mark

Jerry Hedge
Member

From: Norwood Ohio U.S.A.

posted 09 January 2004 01:48 AM     profile     
Dan Tyack mentioned in his post Chuck Campbell. I had the chance to talk with Chuck and sit down at his guitar this past summer. It's an interesting tuning that I would like to mess around with one day. Chuck played some great E9th and C6th type stuff for me. He plays our stuff better than we could play his! I think to understand what Robert Randolph is doing you should listen to some of his influences like Chuck.
Ernie Pollock
Member

From: Mt Savage, Md USA

posted 09 January 2004 06:33 AM     profile     
I remember a few years back, before his fame, Robert ordered a Geo L pickup & some parts for his old MSA from me. We talked on the phone & Robert played his steel over the phone for me, some very impressive clean licks at lightning speed. I am sure he could handle the country stuff - but at least he is interesting some young people in the steel guitar, isn't that what we all say we want so that the instrument can move on instead of having to hear 'Way to Survive' another zillion times?? Who knows?

Ernie

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Greg Derksen
Member

From: Calgary, AB. Canada

posted 09 January 2004 07:01 AM     profile     
I've only heard one cut on the Radio, he sounded like a really talented picker that seems to have an extra gear that alot of
other steelers that TRY and rock out, don't have, Its great, it is what it is.
On a similar note, I for one am still blown away with what PF did on Dire Straits record
"On Every Street", the fact that Paul played
clean steel on a rock record in a very classy
way and how well he made it fit, is every bit as great, The whole vibe of the CD from the
grooves, and different textures of all the instruments, is awesome. Greg

[This message was edited by Greg Derksen on 09 January 2004 at 07:16 AM.]

Ron Page
Member

From: Cincinnati, OH USA

posted 09 January 2004 07:06 AM     profile     
Our typecasting of PSG is coming through loud and clear. We don’t require Tele and Strat players to be able to play country before we appreciate what they do in other genres of music. Country steel licks aren’t some sort of pedigree for steel players. They happen to be the only thing I’m interested in playing but I’ll always be just a hacker.

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Nathan Delacretaz
Member

From: Austin, Texas, USA

posted 09 January 2004 07:27 AM     profile     
The guy rocks, he's having a great time, and the timing of all this recognition has been perfect for him, and for the PSG.... RR's success will drastically diminish the number of times we get asked "what's that thing?" Could he do country??? - YES, but why would he want to? He has nothing to prove.... He has complete creative freedom right now.

Imagine you're a saxophone player and your original jazz quartet takes off.... Would you be spending any time worrying about how well you can play James Brown or Meters covers?

Mark Tomeo
Member

From: Danville, PA USA

posted 09 January 2004 07:32 AM     profile     
quote:
I wonder how his playing would have fit in with Roy Acuff's band? Smokey Mountain Boys.

Huh? That's like wondering how Chet Atkins' playing would fit in with Metallica. I don't even understand the question.
Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 09 January 2004 07:35 AM     profile     
The real problem is how are we going to cut it when we get hired by bands that want us to play like Robert ! The guy not only raised the bar, he put it in a different room.

Bob


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