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Mark Metdker
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From: North Central Texas, USA

posted 18 September 2004 03:12 PM     profile     
....the most prolific steelers in history of PSG. It seems like whenever someone asks:

"who played steel on __________ "(insert any country song), 9 times out of 10 it will be Lloyd or Buddy. I wonder what percentage of top 10 country hits between.....say....1964 and 1984 were played by these 2 men?

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Graham
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From: Whitby, Ontario, Canada

posted 18 September 2004 04:39 PM     profile     
From Lloyd Green:

"Under the post in Steel Players, "Are Lloyd & Buddy????" please advise those interested to visit Walter Stettner's posted web site which lists all of the # 1 records on
which I played during the very years mentioned; 1964-1984. There are about 117 of them.
Also, the specific question was, "How many top 10 records were we on during those two decades"? I have no idea. But since I played on more than 100 #1s, the number of
top 10s would be in the thousands.

Warmest regards,
Lloyd Green"

I have put the link to Walter's page here:
www.lloydgreentribute.com

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Stephen Gregory
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posted 18 September 2004 04:43 PM     profile     
Actually during that era you would see a high percentage of hits played on by Pete Drake, Hal Rugg and Weldon Myrick.
Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 18 September 2004 06:17 PM     profile     
Yeah, Buddy sort of dropped out of the main scene for a good portion of that era (say 1965 to 1974) and went to L.A. where the most country stuff he did was some Buck Owens sessions.
I'm sure there's a quote from Buddy saying he couldn't buy a session after 1967, or something like that. I reckon 1965 and 1966 were his last run of solid sessions, then they began to taper off, which led to the move.
I think his L.A. stint was 1968-1974, some sources say he split Tenn in 1969, but I dunno about that, I'm sure Buddy has previously stated he left in '68.

Bob Blair
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From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

posted 18 September 2004 06:42 PM     profile     
Hey Jason, haven't seen you in awhile! Welcome home. And of course during that LA period Buddy did the famous "Someday Soon" session with Judy Collins.
Mark Metdker
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From: North Central Texas, USA

posted 18 September 2004 10:03 PM     profile     
WOW! Thanks for that info Graham. That's an even higher number than I expected. Shall we call Mr. Green "The Michael Jordan of PSG"


.....or.....I guess we could call Michael Jordan "The Lloyd Green of pro basketball!" I think I like that better!

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erik
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posted 19 September 2004 05:33 AM     profile     
Just to follow up on Jason's comment. Buddy Emmons can be found on many Nashville recordings from the 80s.
Franklin
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posted 19 September 2004 11:14 AM     profile     
I guess it depends on what records are the most favored. I would guess Buddy and Day have had more of a total impact on steel guitarists, since it was their recordings and musicianship that influenced Drake's, Rugg's, Weldon's, and Lloyd's playing styles. They ofcourse have also helped to define the direction of steel guitar styles used on traditional Country records and they ALL deserve every accolade given to them.

An interesting fact to add to this ongoing "most hits" subject. Pete Drake is the only steel guitarist from that period to be honored for his studio career over those early decades of hit records. It is the highest honor any Nashville studio player can recieve.

The documentation was accurate when they found that Pete had recorded his steel on more hits over that 60's and 70's period. I doubt if their information was wrong.

Harold Bradley and Rose Drake asked me to put together a steel orchestra to play snippets of Pete's number ones before the award was given. We had the most difficult job picking which hits to use. There were enough hits to fill a small telephone book from the major artists he had recorded with.

Among the many legends in the steelguitorchestra was Hal, Weldon, Lloyd, Sasser, Bill West, Doyle Grisham, Jimmy Crawford, Jernigan, Garrish, Hughey and a few others. Also, Scotty was in attendance at Pete's request. Only a few musicians in Nashville have ever recieved this honor, Chet Atkins, Floyd Cramer, Owen Bradley, and the Jordanairs, I also believe Pig and Grady were later recipients, but I'm not 100% sure about them. I'll check with Harold this week and post more concerning who all has recieved this award.

Also beyond Buddy Emmons influence on us all, he also has possibly the longest continuous, recording career on hit records. His signature is on hundreds, if not thousands of hits since the fifties. Nobody on our instrument has stayed at the top of the charts in the recording world as long as Buddy. Hughey and Garrish are getting close but I believe they started playing on hits in the 60's, also without any break. (Although Buddy left Nashville, he never stopped recording in LA).

This needs to be said. Since ALL of these giants contributed their signatures during those earliest years of PSG, which helped to define the sound of traditional steel playing, Bud Isaacs, Brumley, Mooney, Day, Emmons, Garrett, Chalker, Drake, Hughey, Rugg, Green, Garrish, Weldon, and Buddy C. In my opinion, they all share the title of most prolific. Their playing influenced us all, either directly or indirectly.

Paul

Gere Mullican
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From: LaVergne, Tennessee, USA

posted 19 September 2004 12:42 PM     profile     
Paul, if you read this, since you mentioned Bill West, if you can contact him I would be forever gratefull to you if you would ask him to contact me. I have been trying for several years without any success. I went thru all 12 years of school with him and we graduated from high school together. If you can, please give him my phone number or email address. I would love to talk with him. Thanks
Gere (Jerry) Mullican
Paul King
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From: Gainesville, Texas, USA

posted 19 September 2004 01:58 PM     profile     
Thanks Paul for that wonderful piece of history. I appreciate all of you guys who have blazed the trail for us and admire the talent you guys have to play in the studio. I knew Garrish had been recording for years and a lot of it has been done in gospel music. I wonder how many #1's he has played on in the gopsel music field?
Damir Besic
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From: La Vergne,TN

posted 19 September 2004 01:58 PM     profile     
why did Buddy leave Nashville?Was it because of music and music business?

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Bob Knight
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From: Bowling Green KY

posted 19 September 2004 02:06 PM     profile     
Great post Paul. If It weren't for the afore mentioned, what would the majority of us be or have been TRYING to play for the last 40+ years. They were definitly the inventors, forerunners, inovators, stylist, or however you want to say it of our "addiction".
All of them are "idols" and mentors to me.

Bob

Tommy White
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From: Hendersonville,Tn., U.S.A.

posted 19 September 2004 02:18 PM     profile     
Bravo Paul! Facts well stated.
However, aside from the afore mentioned era, I believe one would have to include your career at this point in any discussion of largest number of recordings and/or number 1 hits.
best to all,
T.W.
Bob Knight, my sentiments to a tee!

[This message was edited by Tommy White on 19 September 2004 at 05:58 PM.]

Dan Tyack
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From: Seattle, WA USA

posted 19 September 2004 09:35 PM     profile     
Thanks, Paul, for that informative and balanced post. That was a good insight about Buddy (that he is the one steel player who has been charting for close to 50 years). It's good to note that while Buddy wasn;t in Nashville during much of the 70s, he played some pretty influencial sessions during that period. THere are plenty of steel players who started playing during the country rock scare of the 70s due to sessions like 'Someday Soon'.

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Rick Johnson
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From: Wheelwright, Ky USA

posted 20 September 2004 04:33 AM     profile     
Paul
Your post was great. I must say that you
have made an impact in the recording
business too. I can hear Emmons and Lloyd's
influence in your playing. However you
have added your own signature to it.

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Glyn Bone
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From: Halifax.Nova Scotia. Canada

posted 20 September 2004 04:45 AM     profile     
Paul.
Reading your post I wonder how many noticed that not once did you mention the Franklin name...surely you have been on your fair share of hits too, I think a lot here would be interested to hear from yourself how long you have been playing/recording with the greats of vocalization too....and I doubt anyone here would consider you you to be bragging either...you are also one of the much admired in the music world Paul.

Just my .01 cents worth.

Glyndwr

Dan Tyack
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From: Seattle, WA USA

posted 20 September 2004 11:20 AM     profile     
Another name that should be added to this discussion is Ralph Mooney. He not only had a boatload of hits in the late 50s early 60s, he also was hugely influencial for his peers at the time (e.g. Buddy, Day, Green). I still hear his influence in Nashville today.

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Roy Thomson
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From: Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada

posted 20 September 2004 12:27 PM     profile     
Hi Paul,
Your writing skills are up there with
your Steel Guitar expertise!A great post!!!
Thanks for taking the time to put it together for everyone.

Roy

Mark Metdker
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From: North Central Texas, USA

posted 20 September 2004 12:32 PM     profile     
"The documentation was accurate when they found that Pete had recorded his steel on more hits over that 60's and 70's period. I doubt if their information was wrong."


Thanks Paul, I guess that statement answers my question.

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John Bechtel
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From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.

posted 20 September 2004 05:17 PM     profile     
If my memory is correct about the numbers, in Feb. ’68, 37 of the top 40 recordings contained the PSG of Pete Drake! IMHO he was far under-rated for his musical-talent.

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Mark Metdker
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From: North Central Texas, USA

posted 25 September 2004 03:21 PM     profile     
I agree with you Big John.

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Stephen Gregory
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posted 25 September 2004 05:22 PM     profile     
Uh, O.K.

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