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Franklin
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posted 15 October 2004 04:44 PM     profile     
Buddy,

I'd love to hear about any Jam sessions you had with Gary Burton or Garland. You know, the good back room jams.

Today, I dug out my old "Jazz Winds From A New Direction" CD and remembered your recording with Gary Burton at the Montreaux Jazz festival. That record is certainly a hallmark for Nashville cats stretching the limit.

Knowing where you were with Jazz, I imagine you and Garland were inseperable at the drop of an amp? That's a musical period I would have loved to witness. Perhaps you played in the alley when Garland and Dizzy jammed? Don't know? I have only heard rumours.

Thanks for any memories you feel like sharing.

Paul

Randy Mason
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From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA

posted 15 October 2004 05:50 PM     profile     
Great questions Paul! I would also like to know if Buddy has seen the very emotional film "THE GENIUS OF LENNY BREAU'. I can't describe how good it is. Lenny's daughter made it. I played it for Buddy Spicher and Terry Wedding who knew Lenny well and they also haven't stopped thinking about it.
Franklin
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posted 15 October 2004 06:47 PM     profile     
Randy,

How can I buy Lenny's documentary? Stuart Duncan had an advance copy. We watched bits and pieces of it between songs in LA. Its extremely well done and heartbreaking from what I remember.

Paul

Andy Zynda
Member

From: Wisconsin

posted 15 October 2004 08:34 PM     profile     
Please, please post some info on where I might get a copy of that film. Danny Gatton (my #1 hero) said Lenny was probably the best guitar player he ever heard. Beyond genius.
-andy-
Randy Mason
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From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA

posted 15 October 2004 09:06 PM     profile     
Paul, This site is the only one i've seen selling it. It says that it is sold out.I'm sure if you look on the web it could be found. I have never really looked anywhere else, it could be other places.

This is the site http://www.randybachman.com/index.php?choice=16&id=20011114103340

Jussi Huhtakangas
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From: Helsinki, Finland

posted 16 October 2004 01:00 AM     profile     
I've also seen that film and it's one of the best documentaries made of a musician. But back to the original topic, I'd also like to hear about the jam sessions at the Carousel. Wasn't it there during one of those nights, when Justin Tubb suggested that Buddy should do a "steel guitar jazz" album!?
Charles Curtis
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From: Bethesda, Maryland, USA

posted 16 October 2004 05:17 AM     profile     
Paul, have you and Buddy E ever done a CD together? If not why not explore it? Jazz, country and anything else; better yet why not make it a DVD?
Buddy Emmons
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From: Hermitage, TN USA

posted 16 October 2004 07:18 AM     profile     
There were occasions when Hank Garland and I played together, but the most memorable time was when Ferlin Husky brought Jimmy Bryant to Nashville. Jimmy Day and I set a jam session with Bryant at Ferlin’s house and invited Hank. Being sandwiched between two guitar players of their caliber was an awesome experience, but unfortunately the night created bad blood between them, resulting in a heated discussion and near fight in the parking lot of a night club a few weeks later.

There were times in the Grand Ole Opry dressing rooms where Hank and I would play a jazz tune or two between Opry spots. He seemed fascinated with the steel guitar as a jazz instrument and would always grin when you played something he liked. He was the most revered musician in town and extremely busy in the studios, so anyone fortunate enough to lock horns with him considered it quite an honor. We always lost, but we always gained something from it.

I used to listen to Hank and Gary Burton at the Carousel but never thought of participating. I worked with Gary one time and that was on an album he recorded called Tennessee Firebird.

Jussi:
Justin Tubb was responsible for the Steel Guitar Jazz album but the jam sessions he attended were at places other than the Carousel.

Since Lenny Breau and Danny Gatton’s names have been mentioned, I can say I’ve had the distinct honor of being intimidated by both of them at the same time at the Cellar Door in Washington DC. Lenny also sat in with us at a Redneck Jazz Explosion set at the New Pickin’ Parlor in Nashville. Being on one of Lenny’s last albums was also very special to me. Danny, Lenny, and Jimmy Bryant are gone now but working with them and Hank Garland has left me with wonderful memories and I thank you for allowing me to share a few.

Franklin
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posted 16 October 2004 08:43 AM     profile     
Buddy,

You have had some of the best musical experiences ever. I hope you don't mind talking more about this era. I know you don't usually toot your own horn, but this Jazz area in Nashville's history sets you apart and also IMO above the rest in total musicality. I'm glad you stayed focused on the bigger musical picture along with Garland and a few others which has inspired players like myself to view the instrument differently then the typical one dimensional view. I still listen to your records and your playing like all true Jazz players is timeless.

Sorry, My memory was mistaken about the live in Montreaux record. It was the Tennessee Firebird record I was remembering. I never owned it, wish I did. What a musical challenge that must have presented to all involved. The concept of reharmonizing traditional country songs into heavily arranged Jazz pieces is monumental.

The stories I heard from various folks that witnessed a few of those Opry sessions said Garland loved your playing and that you were just as on fire. In fact the way I've heard it was, Garland inspired you and vice a versa into playing jazz beyond what everyone knew you two could play. If you can think of anything to tell us about the types of tunes? any recordings together? about the Firebird recording preperations? if any? I for one would love to hear about those kind of things or any of those secretly proud moments. I believe this forum would agree that its OK to toot when someone hands you the horn

Thanks for sharing,

Paul

rpetersen
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From: Tipton, Iowa

posted 16 October 2004 08:44 AM     profile     
Buddy - I've been a fan of yours forever and reading this only tells me you need to get your life story down on paper!!
Hope everthings going good at home.
Thanx for all!!

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Tommy White
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From: Hendersonville,Tn., U.S.A.

posted 16 October 2004 08:59 AM     profile     
Absolutely great thread ,posts and participants.
What a fine day this is shaping up to be.

[This message was edited by Tommy White on 16 October 2004 at 09:00 AM.]

Bill Ford
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From: Graniteville SC Aiken

posted 16 October 2004 09:00 AM     profile     
Buddy,"AND" Paul on a jazz CD,It's too early in SC to think that deep.

I'd buy two copies, just in case one wore out.Steel Guitar Jazz,Minors Aloud,some of the "snippets" on Pauls website...YEEEHAAAAAAAA


Hey guys,if you ever do it please include Preacher, and Georgia.

BILL

Jussi Huhtakangas
Member

From: Helsinki, Finland

posted 16 October 2004 09:09 AM     profile     
Paul, Bear Family has released Tennessee Firebird on cd. I'm sure it can be obtained from some dealer in US. Hopefully it's still in print, it first came out some ten years ago. If I remember correct ( I don't have it myself either ) Buddy is doing Panhandle Rag on the cd. I've never seen the album anywhere, not sure if the tune is on that, the cd has some unreleased cuts.
One of my favorite Nashville cats' jazz projects has always been the old RCA-album "After The Riot At Newport". It just bugs me, that they didn't call for Buddy Emmons for that project! Would've been great to hear steel on "Relaxin", "Riot Chous" and "Opus De Funk"

[This message was edited by Jussi Huhtakangas on 16 October 2004 at 09:10 AM.]

Rick Schmidt
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From: Carlsbad, CA. USA

posted 16 October 2004 09:59 AM     profile     
Man I'm lovin' this thread!
Jim Lutz
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From: Austin, Texas

posted 16 October 2004 10:25 AM     profile     
...just when I thought I couldn't possibly respect these two any more, this thread opens even more respect for these two giants...what a great question, what interesting response, keep it coming fellers, as your time allows.
Olli Haavisto
Member

From: Jarvenpaa,Finland

posted 16 October 2004 10:31 AM     profile     

The original Tennessee Firebird contained 12 tracks , the CD`s got 13
; Panhandle Rag being the (only) unreleased track . I bought my copy through Amazon about 3-4 years ago. Just checked, it`s still available at 20.98 and 4-6 weeks delivery.

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Bob Wood
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From: Campbell, California, USA

posted 16 October 2004 11:20 AM     profile     
I agree..., great thread! I too am intrested in hearing such great stories, and have a few of my own, such as the time that my roommate and I flew back to Nashville to place my order for my first ever Franklin guitar. We were at the Ernest Tubb record store one Saturday night, and Buddy was up on stage playing someone elses guitar. On his way out, he passed right by me. I was able to get his attention, and he stopped to talk with me and my roommate. We talked for short time, then when he left, we watched him go out to parking lot, and jump into a long white Cadillac and was gone. That little chance encounter with him made my milliminum! Thanks Buddy!

Bob

Jeff Lampert
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From: queens, new york city

posted 16 October 2004 11:53 AM     profile     
quote:
Since Lenny Breau and Danny Gatton’s names have been mentioned, I can say I’ve had the distinct honor of being intimidated by both of them

Buddy, if YOU of all people are intimidated, then what chance is there for the rest of us who aspire to be steel jazz players? In NYC, there are monster sax players, guitarists, and pianists around every corner, any of which can blow the roof off a club. How do you recommend playing traditional jazz with these "incredible hulk" type players? Any insight you might provide is very much appreciated. .. Jeff

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Fred Jack
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From: Bay City Texas

posted 16 October 2004 12:04 PM     profile     
Jeff, The best you can! Regards, Fred
Greg Derksen
Member

From: Calgary, AB. Canada

posted 16 October 2004 02:40 PM     profile     
Mr Franklin asking Mr Emmons about the coolest Jams imaginable, WOW!, This is as good as it Gets, Buddy and Paul your stories
are important, Thanx for posting, Greg
Charles Curtis
Member

From: Bethesda, Maryland, USA

posted 16 October 2004 04:24 PM     profile     
Danny Gatton was one heck of a nice, down to earth guy. I remember him talking about Buddy at the Cellar Door. I, unfortunately, missed all that as I was too busy selling doggone it. Danny seemed to take it all in stride. I still wonder if he knew just how good he was.
Charles Curtis
Member

From: Bethesda, Maryland, USA

posted 16 October 2004 04:36 PM     profile     
One more remark, Paul and Buddy; I hope you two will consider doing a video or DVD together. Just think of the missed opportunities regarding some the greats of the past. I don't want to come across as pessimistic but some have passed on and it's hard to find much on video. Now there is so much equipment etc. to do video recordings and preserve some of your talent for others to enjoy. I collect not only for my enjoyment, but to pass it on to our grandchildren. Maybe something similar to the format to the video done by Lloyd Green and Tommy White?
Roy Ayres
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From: Starke, Florida, USA

posted 16 October 2004 05:30 PM     profile     
Just in case you guys didn't catch my posts a few month ago about Hank, there are a couple of pictures you might want to view in the Photo Album of my website at

Hank Garland Then and Now

Scroll down to the third row of pictures and click on the first two in that row for an enlarged view of Hank then and now.

Hank and I were good friends back in the 40's and 50's and I visit him every now and then, as he lives about an hour away from me in Florida. You are right in that he really liked steel. His memory has faded, but he still remembers and talks about Don Davis, who preceeded me with the Golden West Cowboys and was one of Hank's favorites.

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[This message was edited by Roy Ayres on 16 October 2004 at 05:44 PM.]

Bill cole
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From: Cheektowaga, New York, USA

posted 16 October 2004 05:59 PM     profile     
Now this is what this forum is for great stuff . And if anyone wants to be inspired sit down and work on Minors Aloud by Lenny and the King
Jerry Clardy
Member

From: El Paso, Texas, USA

posted 16 October 2004 06:05 PM     profile     
This is a really great thread!
Winnie Winston
Member

From: Tawa, Wellington, NZ

posted 16 October 2004 08:46 PM     profile     
What a great thread!
I originally bought Tennesee Firebird (as an LP) way back when-- because it had Sonny Osborne on banjo. Didn't know squat about steel at the time.
God knows what happened to the records, but I did get the re-issue CD a few years ago.
I remember someone (a dyed in the wool banjo-crazy) asking Sonny Osborne which banjo players he listened to. Sonny drew himself up (a sight to behold in itself!) and said, "There's only ONE banjo player I'm interested in listening to." And he pointed to himself. So the guy asks, "But who do you listen to to get ideas?" And Sonny replied, "Buddy Emmons."

JW

Stephen Gambrell
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From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 17 October 2004 02:28 AM     profile     
I am curious about what happened between Hank Garland and Jimmy Bryant. Was it just a peeing contest??
Buddy Emmons
Member

From: Hermitage, TN USA

posted 17 October 2004 08:17 AM     profile     
When I first met Hank Garland he was 25 years old, had been in Nashville approximately ten years, and Sugarfoot Rag was on every Nashville guitar players play list. He had a short fuse when it came to producers and while rehearsing a thirty minute syndicated Opry segment called the Prince Albert Show, I saw a taste of it. Hank had been noodling around on his guitar between tunes, checking his chops and giving us all a kick in the butt when the musical director said, “Damn it Hank, knock off that crap, or save it for the show.” Hank’s face slowly turn crimson and he pulled the plug out of his amp and said something to the effect that he didn’t have to take crap from a wino. After cooling off, he finished the rehearsal and I found a few years later that he was right about the musical director. The man was fired from a major record label for his drinking habits.

After 50 years the memories are hazy for me too and I’m sorry to say a lot of the musical moments I had in the way of sessions or jam sessions were taken for granted. When Hank had his car accident in the early sixties, I among a lot of musicians wished we had paid a little more attention.

The incident between Hank and Jimmy Bryant stemmed from Hank calling tunes that Jimmy wasn’t familiar during the previous jam session. Jimmy Day and I were walking out the door of the night club when we heard the two arguing in the parking lot. The last words we heard started with Jimmy saying, “I can play as deep as you if you’d play something we both know.” Hank retorted with, “Man, you don’t play deep, you merely scratch the surface.” With that, Jimmy swung a glancing blow off Hank’s shoulder and Jimmy Day and I ran over in time to separate them.

Jeff: I mentioned the intimidation out of respect for Danny and Lenny. I knew them well enough to be at ease on the bad stand no matter what they played and I’m sure they knew my limits from our previous experiences. If they went over my head I just passed and they never thought anything about it. In your case I wouldn’t be able to handle it as well. Nevertheless, I find the elitist attitude of the 40’s and 50’s jazz musicians dwindling and more of today’s players accepting you for what you play as a musician and not for the instrument you play. Violin, banjo, mandolin, and even the Dobro are examples of what is currently acceptable on jazz recordings, and I hear them on our local jazz station every day.

I admire you for the position you’re in and being able to draw from the tremendous musicianship in your area. Much of what you hear may be new ideas that will never get to tape, which is excellent fodder to feed from. I wish you the best.

Jeff Lampert
Member

From: queens, new york city

posted 17 October 2004 08:45 AM     profile     
Thank you for your thoughts and encouragement on this matter. .. Jeff

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Farris Currie
Member

From: Ona, Florida, USA

posted 17 October 2004 09:05 AM     profile     
just getting gooder and gooder,thanks BUDDY,PAUL, and ever one else, keep on with the great stuff!!!!!LOVE YOU GUYS!!!
Randy Mason
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From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA

posted 17 October 2004 01:13 PM     profile     
Leon Rhodes told me last night that in 1959 someone brought Jimmy Bryant to the opry to play a song, and he had a really long guitar cord and went out in to the audience and kinda showed off a little. Hank was playing with the opry band and didn't like Bryant doing that and told the opry manager "I don't want him on the opry anymore! Leon said they never had Jimmy back. Garland loved Leon's playing though.
Rick McDuffie
Member

From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA

posted 17 October 2004 02:28 PM     profile     
Randy's story certainly sounds like something that could happen. I have known a few virtuoso jazz player who were nice enough guys until someone they considered to be a threat showed up- then it got testy. Just goes to show that the best of men are only men at best.

I expect Hank enjoyed being considered the best guitar player in Nashville (where did this leave Chet?).

Rick

[This message was edited by Rick McDuffie on 17 October 2004 at 02:30 PM.]

Roy Ayres
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From: Starke, Florida, USA

posted 17 October 2004 04:43 PM     profile     
quote:
where did this leave Chet?

I have seen Hank and Chet noodling around on guitars in one of the WSM studios in the late 40's where Hank would play a course that sounded like Chet, then Chet would come back with a very "Hank sounding" chorus. The were both great and, as far as I ever knew, they respected one another's playing. I will agree, however, that Hank had a temper.

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Dan Tyack
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From: Seattle, WA USA

posted 17 October 2004 07:32 PM     profile     
I only met Jimmy Bryant once (he was sitting in at the Den in Nashville when I was in the house band), and I'll just say that I can easily imagine anybody getting ticked off at the guy, hot tempered or not.

I played once with Danny Gatton (along with Bobby Black), and he was the greatest guy to play with. He made me feel welcome even when he was kicking my b*&^%. And of course Danny is a HUGE fan of the steel guitar, and with Buddy Emmons in particular. I got to know Lenny a little bit when I lived in Nashville (I caught his SUnday night gig every week I was in town). He was also incredibly gracious and welcoming. He was also a fan of the steel, and loved playing with Buddy (as he told me many times).

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Herb Steiner
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From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX

posted 17 October 2004 07:49 PM     profile     
I worked with Jimmy Bryant frequently when I lived in So. Cal., and my recollection of him was that he was among the grumpiest fellows I ever met, always having a low-grade anger about something or other. He also wondered why nobody really "liked" him, outside of his relatively small circle of friends like Scotty Turner, Audie Murphy, and some others. Speedy told me the same thing about JB. Too bad, because on those moments of frivolity he had, he was fun to party with. His wife Patty was a sweetheart as well.

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Ernie Renn
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From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA

posted 17 October 2004 10:11 PM     profile     
I saw Jimmy at "The Rhinestone Cowboy" club in Nashville in '77 during Fan Fair. However, hardly anybody was there.

Buddy, they said that they expected you to show up at any time for the jam session. They had a relatively new player filling in for you, some kid named Terry Crisp. I think the rest of the band was John Gore (sax,) Johnny Gimble (fiddle,) Henry Strzlecki (bass) and, I think, Buddy Harmon (drums) were playing. Pig Robbins could have been there too, but I don't remember exactly. It has been 27 years...

Jimmy and Terry played their butt's off doing the tunes off of the "For The Last Time" LP. Most everything was real fast and incredible.

I did find out where everybody was though. I went down to the Den and you were standing at the bar having a brew listening to you, Paul, and Mike Smith. BTW: Everything was pretty fast and incredible there, too.

Sorry I got long winded. I was on my first real tour and we went to Fan Fair. I was in shock most of the week.

Great thread, Paul! Thanks for starting it! And Buddy, thanks for jumping in, too! It's what this forum is all about!

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My best,
Ernie

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David Yannuzzi
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From: New City, New York, USA

posted 18 October 2004 10:32 AM     profile     
I went to Berklee when Gary Burton was the Vice President. We had a mutual friend and I got to ask Gary about Tennesse Firebird. He said he had wanted the jazz players to play jazz and the country and bluegrass players to play what they Knew. He wanted a fusion of both styles other then the players trying to emulate a style they were not familar with. He said when Buddy Emmons showed up he was excited to play some jazz and was a little disappointed when Gary just wanted him to play a more traditional country style. He was happy that i was interested in the album and even burned me a copy when i told him i was having a hard time finding it.It's great to here Roy Haynes(drums) playing on Bluegrass
Billy Woo
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From: Los Angeles, CA, USA

posted 18 October 2004 11:12 AM     profile     
Funny thing about tempers as Danny Gatton had one too but his playing rose above it all, I knew Danny from my time as a guitar player in D.C. from 1966 thru 1979 and we played on the same bill at Crazy Horse, Crossroads and Danny also fixed a few of my guitars..he loved messin with cars and guitars, one of his best friends was also a friend of mine, his name was Billy Windsor of a local band called "The Reasons Why"..just thought I'd share this for any Gatton lovers out there. Man could he play!

Bronco Billy
Zumsteel U-12

Jelle Biel
Member

From: the netherlands

posted 18 October 2004 11:42 AM     profile     
My friend Gabe Penterman was also very disappointed when he did buy that Gary Burton LP &Buddy E on steel ,knowing what we(and he) like to hear when Buddy is on his best (Lp/CD's STEELJAZZ ála Gatton or Breau), but Gabe did throw it away
quote:
Gary just wanted him to play a more traditional country style.

THATS WHY,,,,,?

[This message was edited by Jelle Biel on 18 October 2004 at 11:51 AM.]

Jim Cohen
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From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 18 October 2004 12:10 PM     profile     
quote:
He said he had wanted the jazz players to play jazz and the country and bluegrass players to play what they Knew
That's the kind of narrowminded attitude that will kill steel guitar. Burton should be glad that guitarists didn't have to overcome someone like him, or else they'd all be playing Renaissance lute music and jazz guitar would have never evolved.

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