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Michael Breid
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From: Eureka Springs, Arkansas, USA

posted 26 February 2005 06:22 PM     profile     
I noticed some terms I'm not familiar with from the people who wrote about Lloyd Green's new CD "Revisited". They describe his playing with terms like "laggard note" and "splinted harmony". Does anyone out there know what the heck these people are talking about? I checked with b0b and he has no idea what they meant. Help me out somebody. Thanks, Michael in the Ozarks
Jim Cohen
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From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 26 February 2005 10:29 PM     profile     
I would guess that the "laggard note" is when he hits the same note at a higher fret on the next lower string, and then again at the next lower string, yet further up the neck. It's a nifty little "thing" that Lloyd does and that's as good a name for it as any. As for "splinted harmony", well, I'll have to wait with you for someone else to answer that one...
Joey Ace
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From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 27 February 2005 09:08 AM     profile     
Those are not common terms, as far as I know.

What Jim thinks is the definition of "laggard notes" are commonly called "Unisons".

Bob Blair
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From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

posted 27 February 2005 09:46 AM     profile     
The term "laggard note" appears on Lloyd's Hall of Fame plaque, and is where I first heard it. I always assumed it refers to the way Lloyd sometimes slips a note in that seems a tad behind the beat. Someone must know for sure what it means, but my first instinct would have been to ask Joey!

[This message was edited by Bob Blair on 27 February 2005 at 09:47 AM.]

Joey Ace
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From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 27 February 2005 11:32 AM     profile     
Thanks Bob! It appears we're in good company.

I just asked Lloyd and just about fell off my chair laughing when he said he didn't know!

quote:
"While I can be quite verbal the terms "laggard notes and "splinted harmony" are appelations I've never used, and are not part of my vocabulary.
When composing the wording for my steel guitar "Hall of Fame" plaque in 1988 those were two descriptive terms used by Tom Bradshaw. I have to admit, I don't know what the hell they mean either!" -Lloyd


posted with Lloyd's permission.


I'll email to Tom for his comments.

I had to look up "appellation".

Jon Light
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From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 27 February 2005 11:36 AM     profile     
Funny how long we all have pretended to know. Anyone asks, just say "oh yeah, that's a Lloyd thing--too complicated to explain. You either get it or you don't".
Carl Williams
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From: Oklahoma

posted 27 February 2005 12:06 PM     profile     
Michael, I also have Lloyd's "Revisited" CD and as always, Lloyd's great/distinctive style shines through! I was just listening to a couple of Lloyd's albums this afternoon and let's sum it up like this IMHO: whether it's "laggard notes", "splinted harmony", or "unisons", at the end of the session, Lloyd Green and his Sho-Bud are a great combo! If you haven't heard Lloyd on the "Live at Panther Hall" album/cd, do yourself a favor, and get it!

[This message was edited by Carl Williams on 27 February 2005 at 12:07 PM.]

Charles Curtis
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From: Bethesda, Maryland, USA

posted 27 February 2005 12:29 PM     profile     
Is this when you press the "A" pedal, pick the 4th string, slide up 3 frets and pick the 5th? Lot of ways to go from that......
Stephen Gregory
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From:

posted 27 February 2005 02:02 PM     profile     
If you read all the Hall of Fame plaques you will see a veritable smorgasbord of bad grammer, poor sentence structure and ridiculously contrived terms such as those on Mr. Greens plaque. I personally find this disgraceful.
Jim Cohen
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From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 27 February 2005 02:21 PM     profile     
Well, Stephen, I guess you just blew your chance of getting one...
Howard Tate
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From: Leesville, Louisiana, USA

posted 27 February 2005 02:31 PM     profile     
I think my eighth grade teacher called me a laggard os something like that. I always thought it was a compliment.

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Ricky Davis
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From: Spring, Texas USA

posted 27 February 2005 05:39 PM     profile     
Well "Laggard" means> "Hanging back or falling behind".
And "splinted" means> "To support or restrict with or as if with a splint".
So I would guess Tom's explanation of Laggard in Lloyd's playing; is how Lloyd continues phrasing eventhough the phrase is over. You can hear alot of this in Lloyd's playing; and also how Lloyd will phrase in and out of the measured beats(like Jimmy Day used to do).
And I would guess Tom's explanation of Splinted Harmony; would be Lloyd's great way of always supporting the melody with great harmony notes/phrases; and also the distance between harmony notes(you can hear some very wide harmony grips Lloyd is a master of using).
I think Tom Bradshaw's single wording is far beyond any of our brains..ha.. As Tom has always been a step ahead of the rest of us with his genious type single word explanations...
Ricky
Tom Bradshaw
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From: Concord, California, USA

posted 27 February 2005 06:42 PM     profile     
Joey Ace dropped me an email and asked if I could clarify some things on this topic. This all brings a smile to my face, when reflecting on the fact that no one has asked about Lloyd's HOF plaque and the words mentioned. I wondered how long it would take (17 years).

It has been my job for all the years of the HOF to prepare the plaques. By "prepare" I mean that I hire the sculptor to do the relief bust of the inductee (that is affixed to the plaque's mold) and prepare the text. Within the limited space available, I try my best to identify the honoree's significant contributions to the steel guitar, its performance, its proliferation and its musical advancement. That takes a lot of condensing, because HOF inductees have contributed so much. Unfortunately, the space available doesn't permit a lot of text.

When I was preparing Lloyd's plaque I wanted to identify and acknowledge as much of his playing innovations as possible. I recognized that he had recorded so many unique and actually incredible things that needed to be brought to everyone's attention. I had been buying all his albums for years and woodshedded, trying to figure out how he delivered so many of his remarkable licks, runs and really "tricky" playing nuances that drove me nuts.

When it came time to get the wording done for his plaque, I wanted to give names to the many things I had figured out. I asked Lloyd to name some of them for me. With his typical humility he said he had no idea what he would call any of them. He was able to mentally identify what I would describe to him (over the phone), but acknowledged that he never gave any of those procedures a name. The two listed on his HOF plaque are just two of the many that I gave names to. The names I had coined for a number of his licks and playing procedures proved to be too many for inclusion on his plaque. So, when it was required to reduce the amount of wording to fit the space on the plaque, I dropped all but the two that are listed there and just added "etc." These were two of his playing procedures that impressed me the most (although everything he did impressed me).

I could probably pull out his old albums and find the "laggard note" procedure, but I remember it well. Lloyd would play two or more strings in the upper registry of his guitar, along with his 10th string. He would slide his bar to another fret while all those notes were being voiced. Upon arrival there he would then depress his A pedal. This would be slightly behind the musical timing. He was "lagging the beat!" It was a sound that seemed like the voicing note was trying to catch up with its other passengers. Lloyd would make that a series of "lags", one right after the other. It was spectacular. I remember telling Lloyd that I thought it ought to be called the "lagging pedal." We kicked that around and he pointed out to me that it was the note that was lagging, not the pedal. I said, "O.K., let's call that lick the "lagging note." He agreed. Just before the plaque was put together I felt that the adjective wording wasn't sufficiently sophisticated for what he was doing, so gave it a higher designation as a noun phrase. Thus, it became the "Laggard Note." Am I goofy or what?

The "Splinted Harmony" lick is what I called a nifty little trick that Lloyd would pull off that would make me consider putting a match to my guitar. He did that all over the place and drove other steel players nuts until they began doing it. He would voice a 2, 3 or 4 part harmony chord at one fret, then slide up the neck with only one note from the original chord and string grip being voiced. That note would be the most significant note of value (or importance) intended for the next chord he would construct at the subsequent fret. It was not just a glissando, it was as if he took the core note of one chord and was able to make it the dominant note of the next chord. How did he know what note that was going to be before he dropped off the unwanted notes of the first chord? The guy was amazing. I must have worn out my picks duplicating some of those chord changes but could never figure out how he knew which note to select as being the "soul" note for the next chord. He was able to discard tones not needed in one chord, but knew which note was going to be needed in the next chord, kept that note voicing throughout the movement of his bar, then added the needed notes to properly construct the next chord. So, the thought came to me that he was forming a "splint" between one "limb" of a chord and adding the proper "limbs" back when he got to where the next chord was. Maybe it was a silly title, but I couldn't think of anything better at the time to give him credit for what I thought was so innovative that it needed a name, and, he needed credit for doing it. Now I know that prominent steel players do this all the time today. Back then though, it was just mind-blowing. I was in awe of Lloyd just like everyone else, when he was creating his title of "Mr. Nashville Sound." So, that's the story.

As many may know, I've always tried to give identity to the little things that sets the steel apart from all other instruments. Coining "copedent" was one that has gotten me chastised by many players. You can't win them all. When Curly Chalker developed his bar "shiver" (a 1/4- fret tremolo above and below a fret) and "quaking" (a 2-fret crescending (sp?) tremolo above and below a fret), I felt compelled to give those playing procedure names. I'm confident that Curly invented these techniques. When I heard Curly "gut" his strings I asked him what he called it. He said he had no idea, but had heard it done by Hammond organ players. I found out that organists called it "gutting." So, I gave Curly credit (on his HOF plaque) for introducing gutting to the steel guitar. He may not have been the first steeler to do it, but no one up to that time could do it with the Curly's precision. Before you ask, "Gutting" is using a 3 (or more) string-grip, picked with a harsh grasp. As the strings are being picked, the volume pedal's treadle is being raced to a higher volume, only to be backed off quickly following the picking of the selected strings. This creates an explosive sound (maybe like you expect from you own guts on occasion!). So, maybe that's the genesis for its coining (?).

I hope this helps with the subject. …Tom

[This message was edited by Tom Bradshaw on 27 February 2005 at 06:53 PM.]

Roy Ayres
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From: Starke, Florida, USA

posted 27 February 2005 10:45 PM     profile     
Interesting, Tom. Now that you have explained it, it all makes sense. Actually, I think the terms are appropriate for the effects they describe.

The term "ricochet" is an appropriate one, also -- a note played on a given string followed by the same note on another string. I don'r know who "invented" that term, but just about everybody uses it now-days.

And, I think "copedent" is a great word that none of us could do without.

Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 28 February 2005 03:37 AM     profile     
Thank very much, Tom.

You obviously put a lot of effort into finding the right words for the small space available.

I always enjoyed reading the plaques.

For those that don't know, they are posted on line at http://www.scottysmusic.com/hofplq.htm

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