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Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 19 July 2004 08:06 AM     profile     
I have been using a CD of single note and beatless chord drones to practice intonation. It works great for me and any students that have used it.

I can send you one along with instructions for $10.00.
Overseas $12.00


I take paypal or checks.

Send me an E mail if you want to pay by Paypal and I'll send you a money request.

Bob Hoffnar
136 Coffey st
Brooklyn, NY
11231

thanks, Bob

[This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 13 December 2005 at 07:50 PM.]

[This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 18 September 2007 at 05:54 AM.]

Ricky Davis
Moderator

From: Spring, Texas USA

posted 19 July 2004 05:18 PM     profile     
Hey good going Bob; If folks would use this from you to practice their intonation and ear, then actually there would be NO MORE of the long "Tuning" Threads....ha.
Ricky
Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 19 July 2004 10:52 PM     profile     
Ricky,
Thanks for the bump. The chords I have recorded are absolutely beatless which for me is good practice for recording work. You can hear how every note can interact in a cluttered track. Plus that idea of yours to practice along to a single note drone while thinking of it as a 3rd or a 7th or whatever is a great workout.

Just so you guys know this is not a way to learn how to play in just intonation, play fast or crafty. Its just a way to learn how to focus your hearing so you can play in tune along to whatever gets tossed at you.

Bob

[This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 20 July 2004 at 01:27 PM.]

Garry Vanderlinde
Member

From: Garden Grove, California, USA

posted 20 July 2004 05:26 AM     profile     
This sounds like a good way to cut down on my suck factor.

[This message was edited by Garry Vanderlinde on 22 July 2004 at 06:24 AM.]

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 20 July 2004 11:59 AM     profile     
If anybody is interested and doesn't want to deal with paypal regular old mail and personal checks are fine also.

thanks, Bob

Gerald Menke
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY, USA

posted 21 July 2004 01:21 PM     profile     
Bob gave me a beta version of his drone practice CD and it has been a huge help. Imagine a CD that does for your intonation what a metronome, drum machine or AdrenaLinn does for your timing, and that's what you've got here. Will make a huge difference in our intonation, believe me, I noticed a difference just after a few sessions of playing through the whole CD of drone tones. Made recording sessions a pleasure instead of cause for trepdation. Worry about your ideas instead of your intonation, try Bob's CD.

G

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 21 July 2004 01:33 PM     profile     
Here is an E mail I got from Ricky Davis:
quote:
Bob that is great man;
I understand it perfectly and would be very excited to practice it(If I
didn't already that is..ha.).
Unfortunately Most Steel players haven't a clue on this technique in
hearing intonation as none of the major teachers ie:
Emmons;Franklin;Wallace;Newman..etc. teach this; so it is not the norm and
you know how folks stay away from the norm..ha.
But you and I know the MAJOR importance of this and the EXTREAME
improvement it has given us; as it was passed along to me from Gary
Carpenter and you and I both know Carp plays more in tune than possibly
anyone we've ever heard..ha...
I was very fortunate that Carp helped me with this Technique and I hope that
many others will take on your challenge/teaching aid to further their
technique.
Good luck my Brother and folks may not realize right now, that what your
offering is the MOST important advancement of improving their playing the
Steel Guitar.

Bob you can quote me on any or all of this if you like.


Thanks Ricky !

Bob

Jon Light
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 21 July 2004 01:43 PM     profile     
Bob--for the record, I was already in, even without the testimonials. Burn me one. I gotta run but I'll get in touch. And I don't want none of that Beta stuff your passing off to Gerald. Nuthin but primo for me, thank you.
Jon Light
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 24 July 2004 06:56 AM     profile     
Hey Bob--email me your paypal handle so I can send you the $$. I'll arrange for getting hold of the CD some time (don't spend $$ on shipping).
Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 24 July 2004 09:43 AM     profile     
bump

[This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 02 November 2004 at 08:23 AM.]

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 26 July 2004 01:18 PM     profile     
I sent a batch out today. You guys that ordered one let me know if it helps. If you have any questions get in touch.
BTW: the instructions are inside the CD insert.

thanks, Bob

Ron Bednar
Member

From: Rancho Cordova, California, USA

posted 26 July 2004 08:16 PM     profile     
Bob, it sounds good but I am not sure I understand completely what the CD does. For instance, what tuning is it geared to? Can I use it if I am tuning to open D?

Thanks,
Ron

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 27 July 2004 04:29 AM     profile     
Its not geared towards any particular tuning. Whatever tuning you use will work fine. Its just a series of long droning notes that you practice very very slowly along to while listening to hear if the notes you are playing create beats or sound out of tune.

Its a way to train your ears to hear into the tonal center of what you are playing along with and then adjust to on the fly.

The droning chords are great because you can easily hear how each note in the scale can be in tune or out of tune if you play slowly enough and learn how to listen. Its like being able to tune with harmonics (you know that beating sound that gets slower the closer to pitch you get) to every note in a scale.

Bob

[This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 27 July 2004 at 04:34 AM.]

Lawrence Lupkin
Member

From: Brooklyn, New York, USA

posted 27 July 2004 01:05 PM     profile     
A Beatless Bump for Bob.

I'll have to come over and check it out for myself this weekend. Too bad I already have perfect pitch.
Does that mean I can stand up in a canoe without falling over?

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 29 July 2004 09:57 PM     profile     
bump
Jon Light
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 30 July 2004 01:03 PM     profile     
Hey Bob--I've had possession of this for a few days now but haven't had the chance to work with it. Long ago I intended to make something like this to work against. Just another 'to do' thing on the ever-growing list. This will work out great for me. Thanks.
But I keep expecting Phillip Glass to walk thru the door......
Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 03 August 2004 09:35 AM     profile     
Any reports or questions out there from the guys that got one ?

Bob

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 04 August 2004 10:36 PM     profile     
I've got a pile of them left if anybody still wants one.

Thanks, Bob

John McGann
Member

From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

posted 06 August 2004 02:29 PM     profile     
So simple, but so useful! You can use the drone as a root, or as a different chord tone, or as a "color" tone. The single notes are great, as you have the most flexibility of what you play against them. The Amazing Slowdowner lets you drop them an octave to get the lower pitch so play against which is also good for the E9 neck (could get a little muddy on C6)...Thanks Bob!

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Jon Light
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 07 August 2004 09:15 AM     profile     
I haven't paid much attention to instructions or disciplined practice routines with this but just putting it on and playing long tone unisons, intervals, harmonized intervals, triads, etc. becomes very intensive. I'm coming away somewhat fatigued and very confident that I have put in some very worthwhile time. I'm not looking for results; I'm just knowing that working with this will yield better ears, better intonation. It's a no-brainer. Which makes me a perfect candidate.
Gerald Menke
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY, USA

posted 10 August 2004 12:20 PM     profile     
I had a session Sunday which involved the following: playing steel to a track that the guitarist had played using a capo on an open tuned 12 string Taylor, some of the chords WAAAAAY above the 12th fret. With a slide. Not tuned to 440. This tested my ability to play in tune like no other session I have ever done, I all but had to look somewhere other than the neck as the fret markers were just adding to the mayhem. I am pretty sure that had I gone into this session without practicing with the drones, I would have been sent home after the first few passes.

Thanks Bob, for not keeping this one under your hat.

Gerald

Ricky Davis
Moderator

From: Spring, Texas USA

posted 10 August 2004 10:51 PM     profile     
Gerald that is a great great testimony right there on how invaluable this technique is. And Absolutely; you would have been shown the door if you had not the opportunity to work on this excerise. There is no way anyone could have pulled that off unless they have worked on intonation to a fixed pitch and I don't care who it is.
Good for you man....I know your a believer now.
And good for you Bob for putting this out there for the folks to grab hold of and better their playing "10-fold".
I guess my testimonial comes after years of studio work and many many sessions of: "Hey Ricky try that again; sounds like it was a little pitchy in that one spot"..and of course I'd eventually get it right; but I wanted better. I wanted to go into a session and the word "Pitchy" NEVER EVER come up or out of the mouth of the producer; so we can just concentrate on the music and ideas. Ever since Gary Carpenter opened the door to perfecting my pitch and hearing intonation; through the work of playing along with a fixed single tone, I have yet to hear the word "pitchy" in any sessions in the last several years..yeeehaaaa.....and that's on 14 master commercial recording sessions and 25 different artist Cd's. I guess this all sounds like I'm saying I'm all that and stuff..ha....>but really I'm not...>I'm saying that I had a goal in mind and someone helped me learn how to reach that goal; and this is exactly what Bob Hoffner is offering up.

Ricky

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 11 August 2004 07:08 AM     profile     
Ricky and Gerald,
Yea, it was the same for me at sessions with the pitchy thing. After spending 5 minutes overdubing a freakin whole step single note gliss a few years ago I started looking for ways to improve my pitch perception. I decided that Indian musicians have the best intonation of anybody on the planet so I started experimenting with drones. Its been a big help. I'm still not perfect but I'm alot better than I was.
Now I can tell who is out on the track and ignore it if I need to. And more importantly listen to the overall mass of notes coming my way and find a tonal center to hook into. I used to get my pitch from the bass but that doesn't always work.

Thanks for the feedback guys. Keep it coming.

Bob

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 14 August 2004 04:47 PM     profile     
Bump
Jim Marconi
Member

From: Richmond IL. / Summerland Key Fl. USA

posted 15 August 2004 11:51 AM     profile     
Hi Bob....can you please email your paypal info so I can buy one of your CD's..
Kind Regards
Jim
P Gleespen
Member

From: Lakewood, OH USA (I miss Boston!)

posted 17 August 2004 09:47 AM     profile     
bu-boing!

Just got mine in the mail. Thanks Bob!

Al Sato
Member

From: Texas Hill Country

posted 18 August 2004 10:19 PM     profile     
This tool is simplicity itself, like all good ideas. But Bob had the idea and made it available to us. I'm using this for dobro, lap steel and voice. Very good ear/intonation training. Thanks, Bob.

Al

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 20 August 2004 06:40 AM     profile     
I just got this report from Jeff Smith:
quote:
Bob,

I just thought I would drop you a line and let you
know that I'm finding the drone CD not only helpful for intonation
purposes,
but also just fun for practice. It's nice to have accompaniment to jam
along to and work out ideas with that isn't too complicated.

Thanks for taking the time to do this.

Jeff Smith
Angola, IN


Thanks Jeff !

Bob

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 25 August 2004 07:09 AM     profile     
I was talking to Paul Franklin about practicing intonation along to my drone CD and he thought it was a great idea so his Dad will be selling them for me at the Franklin booth in St. Louis.

I have plenty of them left if anybody wants me to ship them one before the convention.

Thanks, Bob

Lawrence Lupkin
Member

From: Brooklyn, New York, USA

posted 30 August 2004 12:22 PM     profile     
To the top!
Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 30 August 2004 12:28 PM     profile     
I was just gigging with a classical violin player who said her conservatory has just started using drones to help students practice intonation.

Bob

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 07 September 2004 08:19 AM     profile     
This just in from Mattt Hutchinson in the U.K.:
quote:
Hi Bob,

The cd turned up yesterday, many thanks.

My initial thoughts after an hour or so of practice with the cd are that it really tunes your ears in and makes you listen a lot harder. Obviously as you're less concerned with what you're playing (ie. not trying anything too
clever) it gives you a chance almost to sit back and listen to yourself.This is obviously great for intonation but also, I found, for tone.

When I first started playing steel about 4 years ago I was lucky enough to have a couple of lessons with BJ Cole. He basically said that it doesn't matter what you play if the
tone isn't up to scratch. A simple phrase played with good tone is better than a series of great licks with no tone. I found that your cd is the perfect tool for just sitting down and playing slow, simple phrases and concentrating
purely on 2 things

a) Am I in tune?

and

b) Do I sound good?


I also imagine it'll be a great resource for playing more 'ambient' and
improvisatory stuff to as well.

Many thanks, definitely worth every cent.

Matt


Thanks Matt !

Bob

Gerald Menke
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY, USA

posted 13 September 2004 07:05 AM     profile     
For any of you who sing backup and play steel, if you want to get your singing intonation together, try singing against the drones, you won't believe your ears at first, it's even harder in some ways than getting playing in tune with the steel. I was practicing some of this stuff last night, just trying to eliminate the beats singing in unison with the first few drones was really challenging. Thanks be to Bob for this great tool.

Gerald

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 19 September 2004 08:17 PM     profile     
Buddy Charleton just picked up a stack of my intonation practice CDs for his students so you buy one from him if you are down his way.

Bob

Herman Visser
Member

From: Rohnert Park, California, USA

posted 28 September 2004 05:19 PM     profile     
Ha Bob, Sounds great!Wouldnt do any business on computar right now. Have a very sick machine from steelpadler site a few weeks back, Getting a new one at the end of the week.SO I will be sending you a check to night as soon as the finance dept. comes home tonight(wife)THANKS
Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 28 September 2004 09:27 PM     profile     
Herman,
I'll keep an eye on the mail and get that Cd out to you pronto.

Gary Carpenter in Ft Worth,TX just ordered a stack of them for his students. Any of you guys in the metroplex area can take a lesson from one of the greatest players and teachers ever and see if the drone thing would help your playing.

Also thanks to all you pickers that are checking out the intonation CD ! I hope its turning out to be helpful.

Bob

Matt Hutchinson
Member

From: London, UK

posted 29 September 2004 12:40 PM     profile     
Hi Bob,

Never noticed before as I've mostly been using the single tones not the chords, but the cd you sent me has tracks 12 & 13 swapped (ie the A mag7 and Bmin7 are the opposite way round from where they are on the track listing). Doesn't matter as it's fairly obvious straight away but you might want to re-do the covers for any new ones you do.

I'm finding the cd really useful as I find I naturally play scales etc slower when I practice to the drones so both my pitch & accuracy of picking are slowly improving.

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 29 September 2004 01:37 PM     profile     
Matt,
Thanks for the correction. I'll fix the rest of them. I'm glad the drone thing seems to he helpful.

Bob

Lawrence Lupkin
Member

From: Brooklyn, New York, USA

posted 19 October 2004 10:13 AM     profile     
It's also extremely effective for torturing your dog.

SKIP MERTZ
Member

From: N.C

posted 20 October 2004 02:37 AM     profile     
Hi Bob, send me the Pay Pal info please. What is the Beta thing you were talking about? thanks Skip skipmertz@yahoo.com
Oh Yeah , what the Hell do we do with the rest of the band now!

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