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Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 19 July 2004 08:06 AM
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I have been using a CD of single note and beatless chord drones to practice intonation. It works great for me and any students that have used it. I can send you one along with instructions for $10.00.
Send me an E mail if you want to pay by Paypal and I'll send you a money request. Bob Hoffnar thanks, Bob [This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 13 December 2005 at 07:50 PM.] [This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 18 September 2007 at 05:54 AM.] |
Ricky Davis Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA |
posted 19 July 2004 05:18 PM
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Hey good going Bob; If folks would use this from you to practice their intonation and ear, then actually there would be NO MORE of the long "Tuning" Threads....ha. Ricky |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 19 July 2004 10:52 PM
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Ricky, Thanks for the bump. The chords I have recorded are absolutely beatless which for me is good practice for recording work. You can hear how every note can interact in a cluttered track. Plus that idea of yours to practice along to a single note drone while thinking of it as a 3rd or a 7th or whatever is a great workout. Just so you guys know this is not a way to learn how to play in just intonation, play fast or crafty. Its just a way to learn how to focus your hearing so you can play in tune along to whatever gets tossed at you. Bob [This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 20 July 2004 at 01:27 PM.] |
Garry Vanderlinde Member From: Garden Grove, California, USA |
posted 20 July 2004 05:26 AM
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This sounds like a good way to cut down on my suck factor. [This message was edited by Garry Vanderlinde on 22 July 2004 at 06:24 AM.] |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 20 July 2004 11:59 AM
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If anybody is interested and doesn't want to deal with paypal regular old mail and personal checks are fine also. thanks, Bob |
Gerald Menke Member From: Brooklyn, NY, USA |
posted 21 July 2004 01:21 PM
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Bob gave me a beta version of his drone practice CD and it has been a huge help. Imagine a CD that does for your intonation what a metronome, drum machine or AdrenaLinn does for your timing, and that's what you've got here. Will make a huge difference in our intonation, believe me, I noticed a difference just after a few sessions of playing through the whole CD of drone tones. Made recording sessions a pleasure instead of cause for trepdation. Worry about your ideas instead of your intonation, try Bob's CD. G |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 21 July 2004 01:33 PM
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Here is an E mail I got from Ricky Davis: quote: Thanks Ricky ! Bob |
Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 21 July 2004 01:43 PM
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Bob--for the record, I was already in, even without the testimonials. Burn me one. I gotta run but I'll get in touch. And I don't want none of that Beta stuff your passing off to Gerald. Nuthin but primo for me, thank you. |
Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 24 July 2004 06:56 AM
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Hey Bob--email me your paypal handle so I can send you the $$. I'll arrange for getting hold of the CD some time (don't spend $$ on shipping). |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 24 July 2004 09:43 AM
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bump [This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 02 November 2004 at 08:23 AM.] |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 26 July 2004 01:18 PM
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I sent a batch out today. You guys that ordered one let me know if it helps. If you have any questions get in touch. BTW: the instructions are inside the CD insert. thanks, Bob |
Ron Bednar Member From: Rancho Cordova, California, USA |
posted 26 July 2004 08:16 PM
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Bob, it sounds good but I am not sure I understand completely what the CD does. For instance, what tuning is it geared to? Can I use it if I am tuning to open D? Thanks, |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 27 July 2004 04:29 AM
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Its not geared towards any particular tuning. Whatever tuning you use will work fine. Its just a series of long droning notes that you practice very very slowly along to while listening to hear if the notes you are playing create beats or sound out of tune. Its a way to train your ears to hear into the tonal center of what you are playing along with and then adjust to on the fly. The droning chords are great because you can easily hear how each note in the scale can be in tune or out of tune if you play slowly enough and learn how to listen. Its like being able to tune with harmonics (you know that beating sound that gets slower the closer to pitch you get) to every note in a scale. Bob [This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 27 July 2004 at 04:34 AM.] |
Lawrence Lupkin Member From: Brooklyn, New York, USA |
posted 27 July 2004 01:05 PM
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A Beatless Bump for Bob. I'll have to come over and check it out for myself this weekend. Too bad I already have perfect pitch. |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 29 July 2004 09:57 PM
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bump |
Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 30 July 2004 01:03 PM
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Hey Bob--I've had possession of this for a few days now but haven't had the chance to work with it. Long ago I intended to make something like this to work against. Just another 'to do' thing on the ever-growing list. This will work out great for me. Thanks. But I keep expecting Phillip Glass to walk thru the door...... |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 03 August 2004 09:35 AM
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Any reports or questions out there from the guys that got one ? Bob |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 04 August 2004 10:36 PM
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I've got a pile of them left if anybody still wants one. Thanks, Bob |
John McGann Member From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA |
posted 06 August 2004 02:29 PM
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So simple, but so useful! You can use the drone as a root, or as a different chord tone, or as a "color" tone. The single notes are great, as you have the most flexibility of what you play against them. The Amazing Slowdowner lets you drop them an octave to get the lower pitch so play against which is also good for the E9 neck (could get a little muddy on C6)...Thanks Bob! ------------------ |
Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 07 August 2004 09:15 AM
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I haven't paid much attention to instructions or disciplined practice routines with this but just putting it on and playing long tone unisons, intervals, harmonized intervals, triads, etc. becomes very intensive. I'm coming away somewhat fatigued and very confident that I have put in some very worthwhile time. I'm not looking for results; I'm just knowing that working with this will yield better ears, better intonation. It's a no-brainer. Which makes me a perfect candidate. |
Gerald Menke Member From: Brooklyn, NY, USA |
posted 10 August 2004 12:20 PM
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I had a session Sunday which involved the following: playing steel to a track that the guitarist had played using a capo on an open tuned 12 string Taylor, some of the chords WAAAAAY above the 12th fret. With a slide. Not tuned to 440. This tested my ability to play in tune like no other session I have ever done, I all but had to look somewhere other than the neck as the fret markers were just adding to the mayhem. I am pretty sure that had I gone into this session without practicing with the drones, I would have been sent home after the first few passes. Thanks Bob, for not keeping this one under your hat. Gerald |
Ricky Davis Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA |
posted 10 August 2004 10:51 PM
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Gerald that is a great great testimony right there on how invaluable this technique is. And Absolutely; you would have been shown the door if you had not the opportunity to work on this excerise. There is no way anyone could have pulled that off unless they have worked on intonation to a fixed pitch and I don't care who it is. Good for you man....I know your a believer now. And good for you Bob for putting this out there for the folks to grab hold of and better their playing "10-fold". I guess my testimonial comes after years of studio work and many many sessions of: "Hey Ricky try that again; sounds like it was a little pitchy in that one spot"..and of course I'd eventually get it right; but I wanted better. I wanted to go into a session and the word "Pitchy" NEVER EVER come up or out of the mouth of the producer; so we can just concentrate on the music and ideas. Ever since Gary Carpenter opened the door to perfecting my pitch and hearing intonation; through the work of playing along with a fixed single tone, I have yet to hear the word "pitchy" in any sessions in the last several years..yeeehaaaa.....and that's on 14 master commercial recording sessions and 25 different artist Cd's. I guess this all sounds like I'm saying I'm all that and stuff..ha....>but really I'm not...>I'm saying that I had a goal in mind and someone helped me learn how to reach that goal; and this is exactly what Bob Hoffner is offering up. Ricky |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 11 August 2004 07:08 AM
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Ricky and Gerald, Yea, it was the same for me at sessions with the pitchy thing. After spending 5 minutes overdubing a freakin whole step single note gliss a few years ago I started looking for ways to improve my pitch perception. I decided that Indian musicians have the best intonation of anybody on the planet so I started experimenting with drones. Its been a big help. I'm still not perfect but I'm alot better than I was. Now I can tell who is out on the track and ignore it if I need to. And more importantly listen to the overall mass of notes coming my way and find a tonal center to hook into. I used to get my pitch from the bass but that doesn't always work. Thanks for the feedback guys. Keep it coming. Bob |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 14 August 2004 04:47 PM
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Bump |
Jim Marconi Member From: Richmond IL. / Summerland Key Fl. USA |
posted 15 August 2004 11:51 AM
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Hi Bob....can you please email your paypal info so I can buy one of your CD's.. Kind Regards Jim |
P Gleespen Member From: Lakewood, OH USA (I miss Boston!) |
posted 17 August 2004 09:47 AM
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bu-boing! Just got mine in the mail. Thanks Bob! |
Al Sato Member From: Texas Hill Country |
posted 18 August 2004 10:19 PM
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This tool is simplicity itself, like all good ideas. But Bob had the idea and made it available to us. I'm using this for dobro, lap steel and voice. Very good ear/intonation training. Thanks, Bob. Al |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 20 August 2004 06:40 AM
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I just got this report from Jeff Smith: quote: Thanks Jeff ! Bob |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 25 August 2004 07:09 AM
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I was talking to Paul Franklin about practicing intonation along to my drone CD and he thought it was a great idea so his Dad will be selling them for me at the Franklin booth in St. Louis. I have plenty of them left if anybody wants me to ship them one before the convention. Thanks, Bob |
Lawrence Lupkin Member From: Brooklyn, New York, USA |
posted 30 August 2004 12:22 PM
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To the top! |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 30 August 2004 12:28 PM
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I was just gigging with a classical violin player who said her conservatory has just started using drones to help students practice intonation. Bob |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 07 September 2004 08:19 AM
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This just in from Mattt Hutchinson in the U.K.: quote: Thanks Matt ! Bob |
Gerald Menke Member From: Brooklyn, NY, USA |
posted 13 September 2004 07:05 AM
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For any of you who sing backup and play steel, if you want to get your singing intonation together, try singing against the drones, you won't believe your ears at first, it's even harder in some ways than getting playing in tune with the steel. I was practicing some of this stuff last night, just trying to eliminate the beats singing in unison with the first few drones was really challenging. Thanks be to Bob for this great tool. Gerald |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 19 September 2004 08:17 PM
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Buddy Charleton just picked up a stack of my intonation practice CDs for his students so you buy one from him if you are down his way. Bob |
Herman Visser Member From: Rohnert Park, California, USA |
posted 28 September 2004 05:19 PM
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Ha Bob, Sounds great!Wouldnt do any business on computar right now. Have a very sick machine from steelpadler site a few weeks back, Getting a new one at the end of the week.SO I will be sending you a check to night as soon as the finance dept. comes home tonight(wife)THANKS |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 28 September 2004 09:27 PM
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Herman, I'll keep an eye on the mail and get that Cd out to you pronto. Gary Carpenter in Ft Worth,TX just ordered a stack of them for his students. Any of you guys in the metroplex area can take a lesson from one of the greatest players and teachers ever and see if the drone thing would help your playing. Also thanks to all you pickers that are checking out the intonation CD ! I hope its turning out to be helpful. Bob |
Matt Hutchinson Member From: London, UK |
posted 29 September 2004 12:40 PM
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Hi Bob, Never noticed before as I've mostly been using the single tones not the chords, but the cd you sent me has tracks 12 & 13 swapped (ie the A mag7 and Bmin7 are the opposite way round from where they are on the track listing). Doesn't matter as it's fairly obvious straight away but you might want to re-do the covers for any new ones you do. I'm finding the cd really useful as I find I naturally play scales etc slower when I practice to the drones so both my pitch & accuracy of picking are slowly improving. |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 29 September 2004 01:37 PM
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Matt, Thanks for the correction. I'll fix the rest of them. I'm glad the drone thing seems to he helpful. Bob |
Lawrence Lupkin Member From: Brooklyn, New York, USA |
posted 19 October 2004 10:13 AM
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It's also extremely effective for torturing your dog.
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SKIP MERTZ Member From: N.C |
posted 20 October 2004 02:37 AM
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Hi Bob, send me the Pay Pal info please. What is the Beta thing you were talking about? thanks Skip skipmertz@yahoo.com Oh Yeah , what the Hell do we do with the rest of the band now! |
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