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Andy Alford
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From: Alabama

posted 22 September 1999 05:05 AM     profile   send email     edit
Can anyone help me with the history of this guitar? Was it ever used in country music? Please note this is not a string master.
Billy Jones
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From: Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada

posted 23 September 1999 06:52 PM     profile   send email     edit
Andy.. This guitar came out before the stringmaster. It has a 22 1/2" scale, single pickups and three legs. It was the same guitar Santo and Johnny used in Sleepwalk. I believe Bobby Black has one and there are a lot of them still around. They were used mainly in country music and had great sound. I had mine for many years. ... Billy
Brad Bechtel
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From: San Francisco, CA

posted 24 September 1999 09:29 AM     profile   send email     edit
According to Gruhn's Guide to Vintage Guitars, this guitar was introduced in 1949 and discontinued by 1958. They were basically replaced by the Stringmaster series, although both the Stringmaster and Custom were available during an overlapping time period.

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Andy Alford
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From: Alabama

posted 24 September 1999 05:20 PM     profile   send email     edit
I wish I could see all those Custom Fender Triple Necks.Where are they?There have been two on Ebay.I do see Stringmasters.They are great.
Earnest Bovine
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From: Los Angeles CA USA

posted 24 September 1999 06:46 PM     profile   send email     edit
I use mine a little in the Jon Wayne band, but mostly I play Zebracaster.
Michael Johnstone
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From: Sylmar,Ca. USA

posted 24 September 1999 07:33 PM     profile   send email     edit
Which is? Enlightenment please. -MJ-
Troy Cody
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From: MEMPHIS, TN USA

posted 24 September 1999 08:52 PM     profile   send email     edit
Andy,
I hae one that is non-working at this time as I am waiting for a head and tuning gear assembly from Ed Naylor. I gave him my snail mail address to send it to and the pony express rider has not yet made it to the Mason Dixon line. As soon as I receive it I will complete the restoration. I plan on putting E13, C6 and A6 on it.. There were more double 8's than triples of this style. Also, Fender made a double 6 which I also have one, in need of a complete pickup. It also has the clam shell strings through pickup just like the 8's but its slightly narrower. The guitar I have-- one of the pickups has been modified to hold a pull piece type pickup --would like to put it back original.
Troy Cody

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Mark van Allen
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From: loganville, Ga. USA

posted 03 October 1999 09:54 AM     profile   send email     edit
Hi Andy, just got hold of a triple 8 custom myself, seems like a fine guitar. I can't figure out what the switch next to the pickup selector is supposed to do, looks like maybe add in the other necks when neck three is selected, but doesn't do anything. Also mine has gear problems on two of the heads, maybe you guys that have dealt with that can help me out... someone once drilled four holes down through the tuner pan on the center neck, I'm sure to add pedals back in the 50's sometime. I'd sure love to know the stories this guitar could tell. I'd love to hear back from you, Andy, or anyone who has one of these. Just saw a refinished one on ebay, I think it brought around $800. I traded a recent cheesy bass for mine!

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Jon Light
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From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 03 October 1999 10:25 AM     profile   send email     edit
Look what they done to my guitar, maw.

There was a tuner pan on ebay the other day. You could check and see if it is the right one for you. There are a bunch of different styles for different years and models. Someone a while ago posted about someone doing a great solder repair on the bad gears (the problem is a part of the worm assembly breaking off, not gears stripping, usually). Does anyone remember who that was?

The above guitar, BTW, is a Dual Pro, the two neck cousin of the Triple neck Custom, neither of which is a Stringmaster. I'm now uncertain which guitar you have, Mark, but I'll trade you a crappy bass for it.

[This message was edited by Jon Light on 10-03-99]

Ray Montee
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From: Portland, OR, USA

posted 03 October 1999 04:21 PM     profile   send email     edit
You musicians are obviously WORLD CLASS. So many questions are answered that I never even the intelligence to ask. Okay then, how many dark finish were mfrd., compared to how many blond? I'm waiting?
Ed Naylor
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From: portsmouth.ohio usa

posted 03 October 1999 06:42 PM     profile   send email     edit
Troy- Your parts are on the table ready to ship.Please give me a call I have a question. Ed Naylor Steel Guitar Works 1-800-749-3363
Fred Layman
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From: Springfield, Missouri USA

posted 03 October 1999 09:01 PM     profile   send email     edit
Ray:

My double-8 custom is walnut stained.

Chris Schlotzhauer
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From: Colleyville, Tx. USA

posted 04 October 1999 07:16 AM     profile   send email     edit
I've got a Custom T-8 also. I havn't done any work to it yet, I've only played around on it, but what great tone!
Where can I find a replacement tone pot for one of these? I guess I could try to clean the pot. Any suggestions?
Jason Lollar
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From: Seattle area

posted 04 October 1999 01:00 PM     profile   send email     edit
Use tuner cleaner, its for televisions and you can get it at radio shack or WD 40 will work in a pinch. Dont use contact cleaner you can freeze the pot up! The tuner cleaner has a lubricant in it. Spay a little into the opening on the pot and turn the knob a few dozen times, if it still sounds scratchy re-place it probably a 250K audio (log) taper.
Brett Habben
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From: Spicewood TX USA

posted 07 October 1999 09:17 PM     profile   send email     edit
Billy,
Anybody know for sure what steel Santo and Johnny used for recording the first album? The album cover pictures him using a Stringmaster, not a Custom. We all know how accurate publicity photos are....
Brett
Jim Saunders
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From: Houston, Texas, U.S.A.

posted 09 October 1999 08:51 PM     profile   send email     edit
You can see the double neck version on the Dave Letterman show almost every week night. They have one on the band stand, but it is seldom played, although I have seen it used once or twice.
Lynn Kasdorf
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From: Leesburg, Virginia, USA

posted 11 October 1999 11:03 AM     profile   send email     edit
I have a '53 blond Fender Custom triple 8, and a '51 single 8, just like it. Short scale, over the string, trapezoidal pickups.

These are fantastic sounding guitars, but kinda hard to play- the pickup gets in the way of my hand. For that reason, I generaly play a stringmaster double 8. I think these have more sustain (especially for harmonics) than my stringmaster.

One unfortunate thing is that the customs have three legs rather than 4. So, my triple is real wobbly!

One of my favorite non-pedal players is Bobby Koeffer- he plays a triple 8 custom just like mine, except dark finish (what's left of it!). The man is a total wizard- plays with a flat bar and only a thumbpick.

The pickup doesn't seem to get in his way- he doesn't damp the way most of us do, by resting our hands on the strings at the bridge.

Koeffer wraps his right leg around the steel leg to stabilize it!

Brett Habben
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From: Spicewood TX USA

posted 11 October 1999 05:52 PM     profile   send email     edit
Lynn,
You feel your Custom has better sustain than your Stringmaster? Does your Custom have separate nut and tuner pans or the one piece stamped combo nut/tuner pan? The reason I ask is that I have a Deluxe 8 with the stamped combo nut/tuner pan. It's my favorite sound but seems to lack sustain and was wondering if this may have something to do with it. Or is this just due to the lesser mass of the single neck body?
Any input is appreciated,
Brett
Mark Durante
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From: Illinois

posted 13 October 1999 06:17 PM     profile   send email     edit
In my experience many things affect tone:
1. Wood size, weight, and density, etc
2. Hardware
3. Construction
4. Type of pickup and proximity to the strings
5. The tuning and gauge of strings
6. Scale length
7. The player's technique
Not necessasarily in that order. All these things contribute to make a guitar sound the way it does.
Stringmasters are seperate pieces of wood for each neck which are bolted together, (the bolts can be found by taking off the metal diamond plates), and this affects the the tone differently for each neck. For instance, the middle neck on my 3-neck Stringmaster is louder and fuller sounding than the outside necks regardless of the tuning, I think because there is a neck on either side vibrating with it, while the outside necks only have one other adjacent neck.
All pieces of wood are individual and sound different also, which is why every guitar sounds different to some degree.
There is no better or worse, just preference when it comes to these different Fenders. I personally think string-thru pickups do sound better, but can get in the way.
Murray Cullen
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From: Irvine, CA

posted 13 October 1999 07:17 PM     profile   send email     edit
Dickie Harris played one of those and made it sound like there was a small orchestra backing Earnest Tubb. Of course, Billy Byrd was a big part of it too. I've never heard a more musical couple guys anywhere.
Tele
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From: Andy W. - Wolfenbuettel, Germany

posted 18 November 1999 02:38 PM     profile   send email     edit
Hi

there's even a Custom Triple 8 here in Germany. I bought mine just a couple of month ago and started to learn. I really love the sound since I am a huge fan of 1940s/50s Country and Honky-Tonk music. I thinky mine is the only one here, maybe the only one in Europe.

Earnest Bovine
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From: Los Angeles CA USA

posted 18 November 1999 05:38 PM     profile   send email     edit
Heh heh, Murray; now I've got you misspelling Ernest Tubb's name. Earnest is an adjective and Ernest is a name. Und Ernst Pferd ist ein Polkaspieler.
Doc Isaac
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From: Kaneohe,Hawaii, USA

posted 18 November 1999 07:19 PM     profile   send email     edit
John Farina came to Honolulu last year on vacation with his wife and gave me a call. He was looking for a double 8 Stringmaster. He got my name from one of the DJ's in town. I told him that I didn't know of any available on the island at the moment. I assumed THE MAN had quite a few already. Don't know what he used for "Sleepwalk" though.Sounds like Stringmaster?? Doc.
Jody Carver
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From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 14 August 2002 07:34 PM     profile     edit
Im a little late for this,,,but Santo Farina
never used a Custom on his recordings. Sleep
Walk was done on a Stringmaster triple.
Alvin Blaine
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From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA

posted 15 August 2002 12:51 AM     profile   send email     edit
Ned Naylor,
I have a 1949 D8 Custom and a 1954 T8 Stingmaster both need work on tuning keys.Could you help me out with these?
Andy Volk
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From: Boston, MA

posted 15 August 2002 05:21 AM     profile   send email     edit
I love the tone of the Customs! One of the key reasons IMHO is Leo Fender's Direct-String-Pickups. Like a Rick Bakelite, the strings go through the magnetic field. Stringmasters are fantastic axes but the custom has a certain sound that really sets it apart. Plus they were built like a tank! That's why there are so many still in fine working condition after 50 years. The one tricky thing about these guitars is that the plastic shield surrrounding the pickup often deteriorates or warps over time shorting out the pickup or causing noise.

[This message was edited by Andy Volk on 15 August 2002 at 05:22 AM.]

[This message was edited by Andy Volk on 15 August 2002 at 05:22 AM.]

Paul Graupp
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From: Macon Ga USA

posted 15 August 2002 07:28 AM     profile   send email     edit
Lately on CMT, they have been playing an Allison Krause video titled: Sitting In The Window Of My Room (???) Several times they will pan to the steel player when he takes a ride. Can you even imagine that ?? He's playing an old red Fender D-8 and I get goose bumps every time I see it. Takes me back a long ways and they show the video quite often as I don't watch that much and have seen it 3 or 4 times in the last week.

Regards, Paul

Chris Schlotzhauer
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From: Colleyville, Tx. USA

posted 15 August 2002 08:32 AM     profile   send email     edit
I'm thinking about selling my '51 T8 Custom. I hate to, but need the cash for another (spare) PSG. It's really cool, and tone IS awsome.
Jody Carver
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From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 15 August 2002 10:54 AM     profile     edit
Chris
Kenny Dail is looking for a custom..I dont have his e address but you can find it Im sure. Here I found it

KDail86024@aol.com thats it,,,not his serial number but his e mail address.

[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 15 August 2002 at 10:57 AM.]

John Bechtel
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From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.

posted 15 August 2002 02:59 PM     profile   send email     edit
Back in '78, I had a Fender T-8 and to cure the warp in the pick-up, I cut a popcicle stick to the proper length, sanded it to the proper width, and carefully wedged it through the pick-up opening between the 4th & 5th strings. This got rid of any buzz and kept the opening at the proper width! Unless I am mistaken this was the way the guitar pick-up was constructed originally, however; I think the wedges got pulled out inadvertantly by there owners before they realised they were there, when the strings were changed. Perhaps the first string change by a new owner! Could be wrong, but; I believe this may be a fact. I wish I still owned that T-8! I bought it at a pawn shop all beat up for $159, stripped it, refinished it in Jet BLK. and no marks on the hardware. Added new set of legs, and made the mistake of selling it for $400 back in 1989. Good looking and great sounding instr. E9,C-Dia.,C6/A7 Used it for one session in Honolulu in 1980; still have a 45rpm copy to listen to! Keoni Nui (Big John)
Jody Carver
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From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 15 August 2002 03:58 PM     profile     edit
Andy Volk
The plastic or fiber shield that goes through
the pickup is what got me my Fender job.

I had a very early Custom thay had that same problem,,well anyway,,it was solved..I cant tell the story..it will be in my book, that piece of fiber changed my life forever.

Its an interesting story,,you I know will appreciate it. Those fibre or whatever they call them nowadys can be repaired or replaced
by Lindy Fralin,,he does a great job and the material he uses is superior to what Fender used years ago.

e mail me when you can. John.....you should have kept that Custom,,black?? must have been good looking.

Yep..I never liked that dammed middle leg myself,,I had Leo install a 4th leg for me.but it took a lot of convincing to get him to do it..Great guitar,,and you Andy....you should have kept your custom as well,,,whattsa matter for you guys anyway??

Jody.

[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 15 August 2002 at 07:57 PM.]

Andy Zynda
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From: Wisconsin

posted 16 August 2002 06:11 AM     profile   send email     edit
Just for the record, I'll be six feet under before I let go of the one I snagged.
Hey Jody, be sure and email me as soon as the book is in any type of buyable/readable form.
The reason being that I would like to buy it and read it.
-andy-
Jody Carver
Member

From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 16 August 2002 08:53 AM     profile     edit
Andy
Let me know where you are buried,,Ill bring my shovel (God Forbid) I wish you good health
and many years with your new baby,,, keep it,,There will never be another like it.

It was known as the "diamond guitar" years back when Boggs played on KTLA TV,,,they were
making reference to the chrome diamond plates
on the front.

When Noel told me this,,I said it is a "diamond" its a "jewel"...good luck..the guy who designed that will never be forgotton
and with my long boring stories,,neither will
I.

Andy Alford
Member

From: Alabama

posted 16 August 2002 08:56 AM     profile   send email     edit
On a custom if one of the tuners had to be be replaced does this hurt the value of the guitar??
Gene Jones
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From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 16 August 2002 09:35 AM     profile     edit
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[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 20 January 2005 at 10:35 AM.]

Jody Carver
Member

From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 16 August 2002 12:31 PM     profile     edit
Andy
I tried to buy that guitar from Gene when I first joined the Forum, Im glad he didnt sell
it to me,,,he would have missed it,,,besides that,what would he put under the bed??

You guys ought to hear Gene's new CD...its really great. Gene "modesty" will get you nowhere,,,I know what I hear.

Fred Layman
Member

From: Springfield, Missouri USA

posted 18 August 2002 09:25 PM     profile   send email     edit
I traded the double-eight custom mentioned earlier in this thread to Bobby Black for his triple-eight, when Bobby was wanting to lighten his load. Looks and plays great.
George Keoki Lake
Member

From: Edmonton, AB., Canada

posted 18 August 2002 10:23 PM     profile     edit
No disrespect to the Stringmaster, but given my druthers, I far prefer the Custom for it's warmth of sound. I have my original (1954) "blonde" Custom triple 8, (Ray, put me down as a blonde owner), which I used back in the Western Swing days of the fifties. From that point on, in Hawaiian music. It has a great sound for Island music! Now, if I could only keep those 3 legs from constantly slipping...
Jody Carver
Member

From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 19 August 2002 05:23 PM     profile     edit
George
The clutches are more than likely slipping,& you can replace these,,that guitar is old,when you get as old as the guitar,you will slip too. I dont like the tripod design
Leo did,,it has more negatives than positive.

Does the guitar wobble? or unsteady? you play standing? or sitting?. You can very easily replace those slipping clutches,,its not rocket science.

I played at Madison Square garden years back with a Hawaiian group,The Icecapades. My custom was slipping all over the ice,,thats
when Floyd Tillman wrote "Slipping Around" so
I put chains on the legs.

I have a cure for your problem,,will e mail
you off line,,when your mail box in working.

No wonder your tape sounded so good,,,it was a custom you were playing legs or no legs
its a great guitar.

Rick Collins
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From: Claremont , CA USA

posted 20 August 2002 01:36 PM     profile   send email     edit
quote:
I dont like the tripod design
Leo did,,it has more negatives than positive.

Mr. Jody Carver,

No offense, but perhaps this is the reason Mr. Leo Fender was the innovator and you the critic.

I saw Johnny Sibert's triple Stringmaster up close. He had converted it from four legs to three and replaced the other three leg sockets with double-neck Stringmaster leg sockets, so that the legs would spread out more at the bottom,___looked good and had a very good wide base.

Remember with this configuration, there is one less leg to screw in when setting up.

I have a Fender Dual Professional (eight) and have replaced the three leg sockets with double-neck Stringmaster leg sockets. You'd be surprized at how much more stability I gained and the appearence is very much enhanced.

Rick


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