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Gerald Ross
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From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

posted 28 June 2004 10:18 AM     profile   send email     edit
Scotty's steel guitar convention in St. Louis has presented some of the world's finest steel guitarists during its thirty two year history. Many Hawaiian steel guitarists have graced the stage and have been honored at this yearly gathering of close to five thousand musicians and fans. However, in recent years, the pedal steel guitar has been the primary focus of this convention, with traditional non-pedal guitar taking a bit of a back seat.

This year on Saturday, September 4th the Hawaiian, Dobro and non-pedal steel guitar will once again be in the spotlight. Dewitt Scott (Scotty) has graciously provided a meeting room at the convention's Millennium Hotel for us to showcase the lush, tropical sound of the original steel guitar.

We want to feature the beautiful music that can be achieved simply with a steel bar, a few strings, heart and expressive hands.

Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association (HSGA) members L.T. Zinn, Doug Smith, Gerald Ross, and Floyd Alexander are planning to perform and provide backup. How about you? Let us know if you'd like to play a few numbers or join in the festivities. Details, contact Doug Smith, mona2582@sbcglobal.net, or Gerald Ross, gbross@umich.edu.

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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'

Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website

[This message was edited by Gerald Ross on 28 June 2004 at 10:24 AM.]

HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 28 June 2004 02:03 PM     profile   send email     edit
That's great news. See you there Gerald.
David L. Donald
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From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 04 July 2004 02:25 AM     profile   send email     edit
Yes this is cool.
I helped back up several players last year, (purely by accident)
and except for the lack of palm trees it really seemed Hawaiian.

A very receptive audience and some fine playing.

Someboidy drag Rick Aiello down there this year!

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 04 July 2004 at 02:26 AM.]

HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 04 July 2004 05:22 AM     profile   send email     edit
quote:
Someboidy

Hey David, I didn't know you're from Brooklyn!

Gerald Ross
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From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

posted 04 July 2004 07:28 AM     profile   send email     edit
David,
I hope you are planning on joining us this year!

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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'

Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website

C Dixon
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From: Duluth, GA USA

posted 04 July 2004 08:03 AM     profile   send email     edit
Gerald,

I cannot tell you how proud I am of this. What a pleasant and wonderful thing that Scotty is helping this to fruition.

It has been needed since day one. I am soo happy you folks are doing this. And I applaud you Gerald and of course all who are taking part in this endeavor.

When I think back to the 30's and 40's when the Hawaiian guitar could be heard everywhere, it brings back tears to know that in this year of our Lord 2004, you precious folks are bringing back the origin of what many of us dearly love, to the ISGC.

Bravo Gerald, and may Jesus bless this endeavor and all of you,

carl

Gerald Ross
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From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

posted 05 July 2004 06:14 AM     profile   send email     edit
Thanks for your support Carl. We are counting on you stopping by when we are in St. Louis.

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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'

Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website

C Dixon
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From: Duluth, GA USA

posted 05 July 2004 03:02 PM     profile   send email     edit
Gerald,

I would NOT miss it, IF I was going to be there. Sadly I won't. But my heart will be there and if you dim your eyes, I will be sitting on the front row (in spirit) loving every minute of it.

Bless you dear friend,

carl

Scott Houston
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From: Oakland, CA

posted 06 July 2004 02:25 PM     profile   send email     edit
I have a question to relay from "a friend."

This friend, for some inexplicable reason, does not like the sound of the pedal steel. It unsettles his digestion and sets his teeth to grinding. On the other hand, he LOVES the sweet sounds that come from non-pedal instruments in just about any kind of music, can't get enough in fact. Maybe he's crazy, but he hears them as two entirely different instruments.

Now, would this person find a trip to St. Louis worthwhile? What is the ratio of pedal to non-pedal? Are we talking 75% pedal, or 98%?

Gerald Ross
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From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

posted 12 July 2004 07:34 AM     profile   send email     edit
I would say that the St.Louis show is about 99% pedal steel.

On the other hand, the HSGA Joliet Convention is 99.9% non-pedal, both acoustic and electric. Here's some info on this upcoming October's HSGA Joliet convention.

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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'

Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website

C Dixon
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From: Duluth, GA USA

posted 12 July 2004 07:53 AM     profile   send email     edit
mega dittos Gerald.

If a person loves non pedal steel, particularly with a mostly Hawaiian flavor, you will be fulfilled if you attend the Joliet show. And the most blessed part of all is you CAN hear yourself think during the playing.

I had asked before going if it was true that they did play softer at that show. Several emailers and Doug Smith (sound man) assured me that it was indeed true.

Still skeptical (I vowed at my last show in Atlanta I would never go to another loud show again), I reluctantly went. When I walked in, they were playing softly, and I could not believe my ears. I kept waiting the entire two days, for it to break in to Decibel-hell. But it never happened.

Not only that but they had posted a sign up admonishing us about talking when performers were playing. It was truly a throw back in time. And one of THE most pleasurable times I have ever had.

I laud and commend ALL who are responsible for such a beautiful show. The music was absolutely gorgeous as each player took me back to an often tearful and nostalgic time.

I have wanted so much to go back. But each year something happens. And I am unable to attend. I made it as far as StLouis last year, only to show some things in the Excel Booth. Sadly my trip was cut short. (my own stupid fault)

I am hoping I can attend this year's Joliet show. I would like nothing better. Not sure If I can make it. My wife's health is failing fast. And so it may be she can not make the trip. But who knows, maybe?

Again, if you want to hear lap steel as good as it gets, DO make every effort to go to StLouis and hear the Hawaiian event. And if not, by all means attend the show in Joliet in October. If I am not mistaken, it is held the first weekend in Oct.

carl

Gerald Ross
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From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

posted 12 July 2004 08:02 AM     profile   send email     edit
HSGA Joliet convention October 14-16, 2004.

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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'

Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website

Scott Houston
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From: Oakland, CA

posted 12 July 2004 10:43 AM     profile   send email     edit
Thank you both for clarifying, I sincerely appreciate it. I've talked to a few pedal players who say "you HAVE to go to St. Louis" but it sounds like Joliet would be a lot more enjoyable for me. Er, I mean, for my friend.
seldomfed
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From: Colorado

posted 12 July 2004 11:49 AM     profile     edit
quote:
Now, would this person find a trip to St. Louis worthwhile?

St. Louis isn't that loud. Not any worse than any other concert. But I always wear my ER-15 earplugs anyway.

If your friend has only heard 'country' pedal-steel he may be really surprised by some of the other music that the steel is capable of.

I can't say exactly how the genres split at St. Louis, but it's about 50/50 country and jazz. Some rock, pop, and other avante garde stuff once in a while too. And now Hawaiian again! One year there was a Sacred Steel room as well. But I think Scotty's is still a little to 'conservative' to include some of the new SS players on a regular basis. Even still - I think if PBS did a special on Scotty's, or 'Brother Where Art Thou 2' came out with a steel sound track! -the general public would be amazed at what they hear.

I love all kinds of steel music. However, personally if Scotty's were 4 days of nothing but old country shuffles I'd prob. stay for 1 day. As it is - the variety is wonderful and I try and go every year. It's like bluegrass - I can take about 1 day of pure bluegrass before my head explodes, I like it, but without variety you sort of numb out.

As for Joliet? amen brother.!

chris

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Chris Kennison
Ft. Collins, Colorado
"There is no spoon" www.book-em-danno.com


[This message was edited by seldomfed on 12 July 2004 at 11:49 AM.]

Kevin Ruddell
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From: Toledo Ohio USA

posted 13 July 2004 05:26 PM     profile   send email     edit
Scotty recently played here a few Sundays ago for Jess Hurt's Annual Steel Guitar Benefit, and did a few duets with Don Curtis so it was non pedal and pedal at the same time. They did a duet on
"Harbor Lights " that was really outstanding. Plus we got to hear Scotty call a diminished chord a " demolished chord " . And he wasn't kidding .
Gerald Ross
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From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

posted 02 August 2004 05:44 AM     profile   send email     edit
Bumping to the top.

One month away! Contact us for info on playing in the room.

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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'

Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website

George Keoki Lake
Member

From: Edmonton, AB., Canada

posted 04 August 2004 03:42 PM     profile     edit
One thing about the steel guitar, either pedal or non-pedal, is the amazing variety of music, tones and sounds which come from various models and players. If you have ever attended an accordion convention, (I have), you'll understand what I mean. I am NOT berating the accordion which is a great instrument when in the proper hands. Many advocate Hawaiian music cannot be played effectively on pedal guitar. This is hog-wash as Hawaiian music is created from the heart of the player. The pedal guitar has the capability of great beauty if it is in the hands of someone who understands tone, feeling and expression of the Hawaiian idiom. Bill Stafford is a PRIME example. Bill has that nahe-nahe sound so vital to Hawaiian music while at the same time he can produce the best of the Nashville sound. I am not anti-pedal at all, but I am pro-Hawaiian. It's often a real challenge for a pedal steeler to play beautiful Hawaiian music, but it can be done. For proof, be sure to listen to Bill Stafford at Scottie's Convention ! (P.S. Mahalo Warren for pointing out my spelling error !

[This message was edited by George Keoki Lake on 14 August 2004 at 10:09 PM.]

C Dixon
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From: Duluth, GA USA

posted 04 August 2004 05:08 PM     profile   send email     edit
George,

I must agree totally. I am NOT a good steel guitar player. Or a good pedal steel guitar player either. I am terrible at both. But I will tell you that I play Hawaiian music as good or better on my PSG as my '37 Rick bakelite.

My dear friend Bill Stafford can play Hawaiian music beautifully on his 14 Sring PSG. So can my very close friend Don Fulmer on his D-10 PSG's.

It is not the instrument that makes it Hawaiian, it is how it is played. And these two gentleman can play gorgeous Hawaiian music in their sleep on a pedal steel guitar.

Also, IMO, Stlouis is horridly loud as is every other steel guitar show I have been to, EXCEPT Joliet. I can only assume the Winchester show is the same as Joliet. On a scale of one to 10; where 10 is horridly loud and 1 is the kind of soft music that used to abound EVERY where it was played; Stlouis is a 10+ and Joliet is a definite 1.

If you are sick and tired of music soo loud you can not hear yourself think; where the bass and drums are 50 DB louder than any other instrument on stage; where the softest instument on stage is so loud it hurts your stomach; and you dearly love music played softly and beautifully; as it was before the demise created in the aftermath of Elvis and company; do plan to visit the Hawaiian show in Joliet. I guarantee you will be pleased as punch.

If my wife was able to travel, I would be there myself. I am sad I can't be.

carl

[This message was edited by C Dixon on 04 August 2004 at 05:16 PM.]

[This message was edited by C Dixon on 04 August 2004 at 05:19 PM.]

George Keoki Lake
Member

From: Edmonton, AB., Canada

posted 04 August 2004 05:17 PM     profile     edit
"It is not the instrument that makes it Hawaiian, it is how it is played. And these two gentleman can play gorgeous Hawaiian music in their sleep on a pedal steel guitar."
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AMEN to that ! Exactly my point.
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"If you are sick and tired of music so loud you can not hear yourself think; where the bass and drums are 50 DB louder than any other instrument on stage; where the softest instument on stage is so loud it hurts your stomach; and you dearly love music played softly and beautifully; as it was before the demise created in the aftermath of Elvis and company; do plan to visit the Hawaiian show in Joliet. I guarantee you will be pleased as punch."
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It was because of loud decibles that I developed tenitus when I attended a country/western dance and we were sat at a table directly in front of the (pedal) player's amp. He was playing so loud, he had cotton in his ears! I wish I had cotton that evening. Since that evening I hear a steady "Ab" in my ears especially when the surroundings are quiet. I wish it were "A", then I would have a built-in "A-440 tuner"! There is no logical
reason why any musician on ANY instrument should play THAT loud....it is no longer music, just damaging noise, plain and simple.


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Warren Slavin
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From: Southampton, PA, 18966. USA

posted 06 August 2004 05:10 PM     profile   send email     edit
To Keoki:

I agree with all of your comments about sweet Hawaiian music on a non-pedal steel and even on pedal steel if play from the heart -- Hawaiian expression is the key.
However I have to correct you on your spelling of nahi-nahi. It should be as follows: "nahenahe", soft, sweet as music or a gentle voice. Quote from the POCKET HAWAIIAN DICTIONARY by Mary Kawena Pukui.
Even Hawaiian music at a high decible level can be uppleasant. Hope we can meet up again soon as we have enjoyed many jam sessions together in Winchester, Joliet and Hawaii.

Warren

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Billy Robinson
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From: Gallatin, Tennessee, USA

posted 14 August 2004 07:10 PM     profile   send email     edit
As a youngster growing up in Nashville, TN I found I enjoyed Hawiian music almost as much as Country music. Each week I tuned in the Hawaii Calls radio progaram to hear the incredible sounds of the Hawiian steel guitar.

For my 10th birthday my mother gave me an "acoustic" steel gutar and I was hooked.

By the time I ws eighteen I had the good fortune to be hired by the Grand Ole Opry to play steel on the NBC network Prince Albert radio show and back Red Foley on his tour dates. I have always considered myself one of the luckiest musicians alive.

Over years I have developed a rather unique style of playing the non-pedal steel guitar (I use the term non-pedal only because it seems to be the only way to explain that my steel has no pedals!)

In the last few months I have been working on a new album that takes me back to my roots. It is a Hawiian theme album that features all original material written by my brother Floyd Robinson. As you may know, Floyd played lead guitar with Ray Price, Jimmy Dickens, George Jones, George Morgan and many others. Along the way he also wrote and recorded a million selling pop hit.

If there is room for one more picker on the Hawiian schedule, l would greatly enjoy the opportunity to play some of my favorite traditional Hawiian tunes.

Bob Hoffnar
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From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 14 August 2004 07:45 PM     profile   send email     edit
This is great news for me ! I love the straight steel. I'll be hanging out listening to you guys in St Louis. It will be a joy to hear Billy Robinson play.

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Bob
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George Keoki Lake
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From: Edmonton, AB., Canada

posted 14 August 2004 10:13 PM     profile     edit
Carl...I'm so sorry to learn of your wife's illness. I'm sure I can speak for many on the FORUM, as we remember her in our prayers.

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