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Topic: Shobud lap steel
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tbhenry
Member From: Trenton GA USA
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posted 03 February 2005 05:55 PM
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Did Shobud ever build a lap steel? |
John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 03 February 2005 09:20 PM
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By Lap-Steel, if you mean any Sho-Bud w/o Pedals; yes, quite a few. I personally owned a D–10 and a Quad–10, built by Shot Jackson. A D–8 was also built for Little Roy Wiggins and Jerry Byrd had several 8/7 Sho-Buds.------------------
“Big John” Bechtel |
tbhenry
Member From: Trenton GA USA
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posted 04 February 2005 10:56 AM
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Thank you JohnCould you post a picture of what one looks like. |
John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 04 February 2005 11:00 AM
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I don't really have any good pictures, however; they l©©k exactly like a PSG, but; with a solid-bridge and no pedals.------------------
“Big John” Bechtel |
Ric Nelson
Member From: Silver Spring, Maryland
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posted 07 February 2005 02:19 PM
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Shot Jackson made one for himself and other than that, the closest that I know that ShoBud came to a lap steel were the Jerry Byrd fry pans. Maybe someone else can remember more. |
Bryan Bradfield
Member From: Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada.
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posted 07 February 2005 03:25 PM
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In the recent 1 hour appearance by Robert Randolph on Austin City Limits, there is a single neck non-pedal Shobud clearly shown. |
tbhenry
Member From: Trenton GA USA
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posted 08 February 2005 01:28 PM
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Bryan,Did it have legs?. Also did the cabinet look. Did it have 10 strings? Did it look just like a pedal steel but witghout pedals? regards tbh |
Bill Creller
Member From: Saginaw, Michigan, USA
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posted 08 February 2005 03:15 PM
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Jerry Byrd's guitar is a ShoBud double, one neck with 7 strings, and one with 8. I heard it was custom built for him, and it's quite fancy. |
Alvin Blaine
Member From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA
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posted 08 February 2005 03:24 PM
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Did it have legs?. Also did the cabinet look. Did it have 10 strings? Did it look just like a pedal steel but witghout pedals? regards tbh
I'm not Bryan, but I just saw that ACL show last night.
Yes to all questions.
It had legs, nice flame maple, and ten strings. It wasn't quite as deep as a pedal, but had the Sho-Bud look to it. |
Bryan Bradfield
Member From: Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada.
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posted 08 February 2005 03:31 PM
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tbh:
Yes, the Shobud had 4 legs. It was being played from standing height. I cannot recall whether it was built for 8 or 10 strings. I seem to recall that it was only partially strung up (5 or 6 strings perhaps?). It had a Shobud decal on the front. Did it look like a pedal steel? Tough question. It was a Shobud. It had a pretty lacquer finish. However, when I see an instrument being played at standing height, with no pedal rods showing, I certainly don't see a pedal steel. |
Jack Byrd
Member From: Kalamazoo, Michigan
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posted 08 February 2005 04:13 PM
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Jerry indeed had a one of a kind Sho-Bud. It was made around 1965-66 and it was a favorite guitar of his and used on most of his work since then. It was given by him to Scotty last October. |
John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 11 February 2005 08:55 PM
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Jerry actually had more than one 8/7 built! The 1st. one indeed was built between ’66 & ’69. The 2nd. one was built in the early to mid ’70's. I know this, because; when it was ready to ship, no one knew his preferred tunings and I offered to string it up before it was shipped! The guitar might have been intended for one of his students in Oahu or as a spare, (It didn't have the Special-Wiring or Gold Hardware) but; it was shipped to Jerry from the Sho-Bud store/shop in downtown Nashville, on Broadway. Where it is now is anyone's guess! I wish I had it!  ------------------
“Big John” Bechtel |
Denny Turner
Member From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA
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posted 12 February 2005 01:51 AM
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I've never seen a Sho-Bud like the blonde flamed maple console on the Robt Randolph ACL show. It was being played by Aubrey Ghent, a member of Randolph's church's band and one of his teachers there where he grew up. Robt and his primary teacher seated to his right-rear, played seated while their remaining Gospel Steeler / church friends played standing. The Sho Bud had a VERY shallow deck / cabinet (?) even for a console, and appeared to me to be like a pedal Steel deck with just enough side cabinet valance to hide a sub-frame which I think it had to have to prevent cabinet drop with such a shallow top. The frame probably received the legs too.I too was hoping someone might have recognized that Steel and had some more information about it to post here. I kicked myself for not noticing what was at the bridge area. Aloha,
DT~
(Edited to correct a couple of errors previously posted).[This message was edited by Denny Turner on 22 February 2005 at 02:55 AM.] |
CrowBear Schmitt
Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 12 February 2005 05:26 AM
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Edited  [This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 16 February 2005 at 02:37 AM.] |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 12 February 2005 05:44 AM
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In all my years in this business I have never seen a real SHO-BUD lap steel. Also I have never seen a SHO-BUD made out of "Flame" Maple.To find out more about the authenticity of a Sho-Bud you can call GRETSCH at 912-748-7070 and ask for ERNIE. He can possibly verify if a guitar was built or Rebuilt at the Sho-Bud factory.Ed Naylor Steel Guitar Works. |
tbhenry
Member From: Trenton GA USA
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posted 12 February 2005 09:13 AM
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This says that it was restored by sho bud. Does that mean that it was originally manufactured by Sho bud?? |
tbhenry
Member From: Trenton GA USA
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posted 15 February 2005 03:27 AM
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Mr. Bledsoes sho bud is a beauty! Is that maple with just a clearcoat? Also, what tunings does he use? |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 15 February 2005 09:09 AM
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The Sho-buds in question (as seen on "Austin City Limits" with Robert Randolph, Aubrey Gent,etc.) were assembled by myself seven years ago out of 100% Sho-Bud parts.
With the permission of the Jackson family, I have built several "lap" steels out of the Sho-Bud parts that I bought in 1985 from the closing Sho-Bud factory on second Ave. in Nashville.
I still have many parts including the wood, fretboards, pickups etc. and may build (assemble) some additional guitars in the future, but am quite busy with other projects at the moment. The legs and sockets are in my store and are for sale now. I have assembled several for the "House of God" players, and several of the Nashville players (Billy Robinson, Bob Moore, Buford Gentry, Howard White etc.)that want to add a little piece of Sho-Bud Nashville history to their collection.
For those that want a great little guitar in the future, there may be hope, until the original parts run out,
bobbe [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 21 February 2005 at 07:36 PM.] |
Denny Turner
Member From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA
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posted 16 February 2005 02:31 AM
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Hmmmmmmmmm...............After Ed's and Bobbe's posts, I feel like a fish circling bait, ....but what the heck; This sho do look like a Sho-Bud lap Steel . . . . . .  Aloha,
DT~[This message was edited by Denny Turner on 16 February 2005 at 02:31 AM.] |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 16 February 2005 06:14 AM
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Denny- This "FRYPAN" as far as I can tell is for real.I forgot how many SHOT built, but I think there are some "FAKES" out there.It all comes down to where, when, and who sold it. Ed Naylor Steel Guitar Works. |
Denny Turner
Member From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA
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posted 16 February 2005 02:50 PM
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Thanks Ed. Yes, that one has "all" the signs of being genuine. I just didn't understand your suggesting you never saw a Sho-Bud lap Steel, ...while I have been under the impression that the SB/JBFP was a SB lap Steel. .....Swimming all around what seemed might be bait, before I bit it!Aloha,
DT~
[This message was edited by Denny Turner on 16 February 2005 at 02:51 PM.] |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 17 February 2005 04:36 PM
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Denny-I was refering to the "WOOD" body Sho-Bud lap steel. I still think they only used curly maple for the bodies. ED |
Garry Vanderlinde
Member From: Garden Grove, California, USA
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posted 17 February 2005 07:35 PM
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Here's a photo of Aubrey Ghent from the Austin City Limits show playing the Sho-Bud non-pedal. Looks like a 10 string but he only has 6 strings on it. And it is a Tri-Pod...I don't know why, but I really like tri-pods!
God Bless Aubrey Ghent [This message was edited by Garry Vanderlinde on 20 February 2005 at 02:46 PM.]
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Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Austin, Texas
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posted 17 February 2005 07:38 PM
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Mr. Bledsoes sho bud is a beauty! Is that maple with just a clearcoat? Also, what tunings does he use?
tbhenry; that is not my Sho-bud(?wheather or not it is a sho-bud build) it is only in the "house of wood" at mightyfinemusic.com because that section is dedicated to the beautiful wood steel guitars.
I ONLY PLAY GEORGEBOARD
Richard Davis Bledsoe aka Ricky Davis------------------
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Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 18 February 2005 06:07 AM
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The TRi-Pod steel has an aluminum neck. Plus the leg sockets look a little strange.Maybe someone can get a real good closeup of the bridge and other parts.It also appears to have a raised fretboard. ED |
Ron Castle
Member From: West Hurley,NY
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posted 19 February 2005 05:08 AM
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The "Sacred Steeler" Aubrey Ghent has a beautiful Sho-bud lap steel which I saw him play. Sounded great. I seem to recall that it
was made custom for him, can't recall if it was 8 or 10str |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 21 February 2005 07:56 PM
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I built this guitar for Aubrey from 100% Sho-Bud parts that I got from David Jackson in 1985. Where is the problem understanding this?
I have many, many of these original parts left and standing orders to assemble more if I can ever find time to get back to doing this type of thing.
Running my steel store, doing service work, sessions, live shows, over seas tours and trying to find time for a life keeps me from doing much on this lap steel project. But, if someone wants one badly enough, 8 string and 10 string models can be built from the original parts, Every single part on these guitars is Sho-Bud,(including the "Restored By Sho-Bud" decals)..
I'm just the assembler, so are they Sho-Buds? Well, all the parts came from the second ave. and 427 Broadway Sho-Bud locations and were all built by Shot Jackson or his sons, so I think there is no doubt about the authenticity of the parts.
A hot-rod lap steel made from all Sho-Bud parts? Call it what you want, they are incredible guitars. Now you all have "the rest of the story",
Want to know more? My phone number is 615 822 5555, 10am to 3:00 PM.
Bobbe Seymour,
Steel Guitar Nashville
123 Midtown Ct.
Hendersonville TN. 37075 |
John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 21 February 2005 08:29 PM
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If you don't mind running down through my Website to near the end of Page-2, you will see a (one-owner) Double-Neck Sho-Bud Non-Pedal, Built by Shot and the gang. It was originally a D–8, but; my friend prefers only 7-strings and a wider spacing. So, he revised it into a D–7, w/Geo. L. P/U's. Everything else about the guitar is Original, from the Sho-Bud Factory in Nashville. click here
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“Big John” Bechtel
’49-’50 Fender T–8 Custom
’65 Re-Issue Fender Twin–Reverb Custom™ 15” Eminence
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 21 February 2005 08:51 PM
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John, I remember your guitars from the '60's, I know Shot built you several nice but different "non-pedalers". I'm getting ready to do a short write up on you in my on line news letters. (sign up from my web-site).You have a colorful past that should be noted.
I think you came into the store several times when I was assembling some of the Sho-Bud non-pedal guitars. But then knowing you, you may not have paid much attention to what I was doing! Ha!
I remember a lot of your old guitars, wish I had a couple of them today.
I play a double eight string Sho-Bud on my non-pedal teaching videos. I've had this original Sho-Bud for many years, got it from Paul sombody in Illinois. It was originally a D-8 pedal guitar though. I love it and do all my non-ped recording with it, "No Pedalers Allowed", "Legends of the Lap Steel" etc.. |
DeWitt Scott
Member From: St. Louis, Missouri, USA
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posted 21 February 2005 10:54 PM
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Jack Byrd is correct. When I was returning from the trip to Japan I stopped off in Honolulu and had many visits with Jerry. Harry's Music boxed up the double neck Sho Bud for shipping to St. Louis. Jerry was going to autograph the under side of the guitar but it was already packed in the carton. The outside neck is the 7 string diatonic tuning and the inside neck is the 8 string C6 tuning. The pick ups are different and John Betchel knows more about them than I do. George Lewis made the pickups and it has some thing to do with different wiring, etc. John, if you are ready this could you explain it please?.... I do know that the Horse Shoe pickups were not the same as the original Rickenbacker. Shot was genius at making pickups and he found a way of winding them where the sound was acceptable to Jerry’ ears. My son Michael has just taken a various photos of the steel and it will be included here so you all can see it. The plate on the front panel of the body was made by a friend of Jerry's, Iso Wada, in Japan. Jerry also gave me the original Sho Bud plate that came on the guitar. It is gold plated and the wording is "Custom Built For Jerry Byrd". The guitar has a picture of a dove inlayed in Mother Of Pearl on the front panel. The name "Sho Bud" is not anywhere on the guitar. I know of two people that have this type of Sho Bud. Lorene Ruymar in Canada and David Young in Florien, LA. I think both are double necks but not sure if they have the same 7 string & 8 string combination or both are double 8 strings. Shot made many single neck versions of this guitar.The deal with Jerry and Shot was to build 150 of the A model short scale Frypans and 150 of the B model long scale Frypans and then destroy the mold. I don't think that were able to build that many. Maybe that is why Bobbe Seymour was able to buy so many spare parts and body's for those guitars. Jerry got the first one, Shot took the second one and I got the third one. I choose the B model and my serial number was B003. The Frypans came with a Certificate Of Limited Edition. It read like this:
Certificate Of Limited Edition
Serial No. Date
The
Jerry Byrd Fry-Pan
Issued to
The Sho-Bud Co. and Jerry Byrd certify that this is a hand-crafted reproduction of the original "Fry-Pan" steel guitars. Know for its unique beauty of tone and great sustaining quality and developed after several years of careful research, it is being offered in a limited edition of only 300. Sho Bud Guitar Company, Inc. Nashville, Tennessee. with Shot Jackson and Jerry Byrd signatures on it. I have one at my store for sale. The serial number is B006 and was purchased for $500.00 on July 30, 1979. It was originally purchased by John DeBoe in Port Richie, FL. He must have sold it at one time or another as the guitar did not come to me by him. The pickup isn’t working and I will have Lindy Fralin rewind the pickup for me. To view the photos click here.
http://www.scottysmusic.com/images/byrdguitar.htm Scotty |
DeWitt Scott
Member From: St. Louis, Missouri, USA
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posted 21 February 2005 10:57 PM
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Jerry Byrd correction. The bird on the panel of Jerry's Sho Bud looks more like a Pheasant than a dove. Sorry. Scotty |
Kevin Mincke
Member From: Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA
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posted 21 February 2005 11:11 PM
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Bobbe- definately Sho~Bud
Scotty- indeed a pheasant |
Denny Turner
Member From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA
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posted 22 February 2005 03:28 AM
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I built this guitar for Aubrey from 100% Sho-Bud parts that I got from David Jackson in 1985. Where is the problem understanding this?
Bobbe, I can't find anyone having a "problem" understanding your posting that pretty much provided the answer I think most folks were hoping someone could provide. Quite a bit of nice history I suppose folks are enjoying as much as I am; THANKS. Not to mention knowing that there are parts available to build more.   And wouldn't you know it; After wishing for some time I could build one from original parts ....I discover you got'em at a time I got myself painted into a corner, and of course Murphy stalking at such times, and can't even find time to wash the car ! (SGF a bit more important than washing the car!). But you got my brain and G.A.S. grinding! Question though: Ed mentioned that he'd never seen a Sho-Bud made from flamed maple. But a the pics of Aubrey's and the pic Ricky had posted, looked like some quite noticeable flaming across the grain ...although I've also seen planer chatter create marks that turn out like "flames" when a nice finish is put on and leveled. So what is the wood on those pics? ....Just curious (my curse!). Aloha,
Denny T~
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 22 February 2005 07:21 AM
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The wood is a highly flamed maple that I got from Sho-Bud in '85. It was in barrels and none of it quite long enough to build pedal steel from. This wood is now very old, hard, and beautiful.
Ed knew where the wood came from and he and I together were about to spring this info on the world. His comment on the wood was a lead in to these facts that I have stated. Thank you for asking.
Anyone wanting more information? Just ask here.
Thank you guys,
bobbe |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 22 February 2005 08:44 AM
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It's killing me, but I'm gonna bite my tongue on this one! |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 22 February 2005 09:29 AM
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Howard, is it the "old , hard, and beautiful" part that is making you bite your toungue? Or possibly "the wood isn't long enough"? Or does it have something to do with checks again?
Nothing wrong with biting your own toungue I 'spose. [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 22 February 2005 at 09:32 AM.] |
tbhenry
Member From: Trenton GA USA
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posted 22 February 2005 01:46 PM
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Bobbe,If one were to order one of these what would the price range be to have one built? |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 22 February 2005 06:01 PM
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How much money,If I can make time?????Depends on how exotic you want it, but from $800.00 up is a fair guess. . Full aluminum neck like Aubrey Gent's, is slightly less money than wood necks. The aluminum sounds great also. Mostly a matter of looks though.
Talk about tone? Honestly, it's wonderful, well balanced from top to bottom and rich and full without losing the clarity anywhere. |
tbhenry
Member From: Trenton GA USA
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posted 28 February 2005 12:57 PM
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If one assemblies a lap steel from all sho bud parts is there a problem putting a sho bud decal on it? |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 28 February 2005 03:18 PM
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Not since I bought the authentic parts from Shot and David. These two kept the rights to build the nonpedal steels. David negotiated the deal so Shot would be able to continue to build the Sho-Bro, lap (nonpedal) steels, Flat tops, and anything that didn't have to do with the "Music City Manufacturing" production line that David was in charge of. Remember, Sho-Bud was divided into two companies long before one of them was sold to Baldwin or Fred Grestch. David Jackson's operation was totally different that Shot's. Even a different location in Nashville. David's biz was on second Ave., and Shot's at 416 Broadway.
Put the Sho-Bud name on the assembled parts? You bet, as long as the parts are authentic, after all, that's what they are: Sho-Bud. What else would you call them? Emmons? Naw. bobbe |
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